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#1 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:39 PM

if they do ill gladly say i was an idiot and i was wrong but i think if most of us are realistic you'd realize we dont have great chances with lidstrom gone and stuart as well as losing rafalski 2 yrs ago and never getting a top d man back to win t all this season

 

 

the whole point to this is to calm down about trade deadline and not expect the wings to sell out the future for someone like bouwmeester, iginla or whomever. In fact id like to see us getting rid of guys like ian white and if possible samuelsson and coliacovo(although both been hurt all year so i doubt it could happen)If it was possible to do like a ian white for ryan whitney type deal id be down for something like that

 

we still got a good enough team to make the playoffs and if we can get rid of white and a few others and get extra draft picks instead of losing them for nothing then we should, but we shouldnt throw in someone like  tatar,nyquist or our 1st rd pick in any deal this year

 

I hope to god we make the playoffs cause it wouldnt be the same but on the flip side i can see no better year not to get in if we had to choose the year since this is a shortened season and wouldnt hurt as much AND the draft is deep as hell and if we could get in the top 5 some how it could be worth it (landing seth jones would give us a #1 d for 10-20 yrs)


Edited by nyqvististhefuture, 07 March 2013 - 03:46 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:42 PM

you're right - they definitely aren't winning the cup.

 

they should be sellers at the deadline, not buyers.



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:52 PM

Who are you guys?  Nostradamus? :ninja:


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 03:55 PM

I disagree with a lot of what both of you are saying.  I legitimately think we are a piece or two from being as competitive as any team in the league.  A big minute stay at home defenseman, and a top six winger like a Michael Ryder type (not him specifically) would improve this team a lot.  Then with Helm back we'd have a pretty solid team. 

 

I don't like the idea of stock piling picks because that essentially throws this season away as well as the next couple (until picks and prospects mature).  By that time Datsyuk and Filppula may be long gone, Zetterberg will be on the decline, as will Franzen and Kronwall.  In two or three years we might find we're further away from winning a cup then we are right now. 


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:05 PM

You just saved me a lot of time in May and June, thanks!

 

Seriously, though. I don't think they have what it takes, either. When I watch a lot of other teams, they are faster, work harder, and just have the desire that our boys don't seem to have.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:10 PM

if they do ill gladly say i was an idiot and i was wrong but i think if most of us are realistic you'd realize we dont have great chances with lidstrom gone and stuart as well as losing rafalski 2 yrs ago and never getting a top d man back to win t all this season

 

 

the whole point to this is to calm down about trade deadline and not expect the wings to sell out the future for someone like bouwmeester, iginla or whomever. In fact id like to see us getting rid of guys like ian white and if possible samuelsson and coliacovo(although both been hurt all year so i doubt it could happen)If it was possible to do like a ian white for ryan whitney type deal id be down for something like that

 

we still got a good enough team to make the playoffs and if we can get rid of white and a few others and get extra draft picks instead of losing them for nothing then we should, but we shouldnt throw in someone like  tatar,nyquist or our 1st rd pick in any deal this year

 

I hope to god we make the playoffs cause it wouldnt be the same but on the flip side i can see no better year not to get in if we had to choose the year since this is a shortened season and wouldnt hurt as much AND the draft is deep as hell and if we could get in the top 5 some how it could be worth it (landing seth jones would give us a #1 d for 10-20 yrs)

 

Something tells me that you think our chances of winning the cup would dramatically increase if we had Nyquist in the line-up. I can't quite put my finger on why I think that... :confused:


Edited by RedWingsDad, 07 March 2013 - 04:16 PM.

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:18 PM

Your subject line is true for 96% of the league, so, nice prediction. Dynamite.

 

I do agree with your sentiment about the Wings staying put.

 

I think that as fans, across any sport, we love to play GM and draw up all these hypotheticals that most of the time are simply pipe dreams and just will not happen. Especially trades. If you want to get rid of all these players, you're assuming that other teams will them. Like Sammy, Cleary, White, you can't just move them at will. You can't just implode the team and automatically stay competitive.

 

The Wings are competing right now. They're doing what they can with what they got. Do you have to ask for more? IMO it is not realistic in this salary cap age to think your team will just be lights out every year. Take a step back and realize, like the title implies, your team cannot be above average every year. There's no reason to overly negative about it.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:25 PM

Get healthy, make a move or two at the deadline, go on a heater, win the cup.  


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:30 PM

I never thought the Wings had a snowball's chance in hell of winning the cup this season. Not after a first round knockout last season and then losing all the key players that you mentioned.

 

I've been content with watching the kids develop this season and they've been a more than pleasant surprise. 


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:34 PM

Something tells me that you think our chances of winning the cup would dramatically increase if we had Nyquist in the line-up. I can't quite put my finger on why I think that... :confused:

 

 

hahaha i think he should be on the team since the start of the season and signing samuelsson was a big mistake since the day it happened but no we still need help specfically a big defender or 2



I disagree with a lot of what both of you are saying.  I legitimately think we are a piece or two from being as competitive as any team in the league.  A big minute stay at home defenseman, and a top six winger like a Michael Ryder type (not him specifically) would improve this team a lot.  Then with Helm back we'd have a pretty solid team. 

 

I don't like the idea of stock piling picks because that essentially throws this season away as well as the next couple (until picks and prospects mature).  By that time Datsyuk and Filppula may be long gone, Zetterberg will be on the decline, as will Franzen and Kronwall.  In two or three years we might find we're further away from winning a cup then we are right now. 

 

 

not saying we gotta rebuild i just dont think this season is a cup winning season .... just keeping tatar and andersson here rest of the year will benefit us next year , itll give them more experience and who knows what will happen in the off season with trades and players being bought out maybe then we can get some good defensemen

 

im not willing to give up our 1st round pick in a really deep year and good prospects to get someone like bouwmeester when i think the odds of winning it all this year arent clearly as good as years pasts



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

Our chance is less than other years. But you watch to win, duh!


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 04:50 PM

hahaha i think he should be on the team since the start of the season and signing samuelsson was a big mistake since the day it happened but no we still need help specfically a big defender or 2



 

 

not saying we gotta rebuild i just dont think this season is a cup winning season .... just keeping tatar and andersson here rest of the year will benefit us next year , itll give them more experience and who knows what will happen in the off season with trades and players being bought out maybe then we can get some good defensemen

 

im not willing to give up our 1st round pick in a really deep year and good prospects to get someone like bouwmeester when i think the odds of winning it all this year arent clearly as good as years pasts

 

the odds aren't as good as past years, but they're probably better than future years.  As I said, we might very soon find ourselves without Datsyuk and Filppula and an aging Franzen, Zetterberg, and Kronwall. 

 

I don't expect any blockbuster trade or anything, but I would like to see Datsyuk get a legit winger (not converted center), and another defenseman.  Then we're very likely to make the playoffs, and combined with getting some guys healthy, we could very well go on a run.  Two years from now I'm not so sure. 

 

Finally, replace any three guys you want with Tatar, Nyquist, and Andersson and we might be a marginally better team, but without another acquisition or two we're still not over the hump.  These kids are good, but they aren't nearly good enough to take over games yet. 


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 05:04 PM

You just saved me a lot of time in May and June, thanks!

 

Seriously, though. I don't think they have what it takes, either. When I watch a lot of other teams, they are faster, work harder, and just have the desire that our boys don't seem to have.

You forgot other teams also have less injuries.  And I completely disagree that our boys don't have the desire to win.  IMO, the reason we have been winning is because the teams work ethic and desire.

 

The parity in the NHL is ridiculous.  I kind of look at it like this: There are 3 tiers of teams.  The top tier is small, including Chicago, Anaheim, Vancouver, Boston, Pittsburgh maybe.  THen you have tier 2 which includes most other teams in the playoff chase, including the Red Wings.  The final tier has the teams like Edmonton, Columbus, NYI, etc.

 

The point is, do you think the Wings could beat Chicago or Anaheim in a 7 game series?  IMO, yes, because the teams in tier 1 aren't all that different from the teams in tier 2.  Anaheim wasn't even that good last year and this year they are tearing it up.  When you look at the big picture, teams really aren't that far apart when it comes to talent, especially in the top 2 tiers.  Carolina will probably be a top seed in the East this year.  Do you think the Wings could beat them in a 7 game series?  I watch them play sometimes and they aren't all that impressive.  LA was a tier 2 team last year and managed to win the cup.  I am not convinced that this team can't win the cup when healthy.  I think they have the ability to do it, and I think one more piece would push us closer to the top of tier 2.  I also realize that every other team in Tier 1 and Tier 2 have the same chance and ability to win it as well.  

 

I just think people are panicking because we aren't the same dominant team we have been in the past.  But the league has been changing dramatically, even since 2009 and 2010.  Teams are a lot close together in terms of talent and depth. You have to get hot at the right time, get good luck with injuries, and anything can happen. 


Edited by cupforwings, 07 March 2013 - 05:07 PM.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 05:23 PM

...didn't the 8th seed Kings win last year, I bet you saw that coming too.

 

I try to explain this all the time to the glass half empty crowd, no one here cares that you don't believe and no one thinks you are intelligent for predicting 1 out of 30 teams won't win.

 

We enjoy watching our team, so you know what to do with your predictions....

 

For lack of a negative button, my response is to write out NEGATIVE.



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 05:25 PM

awesome punctuation bro


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 05:46 PM

Ya know they are not that far away. They have a number 1 goalie, number 1 dman and a number one center... I mean look at them objectively. If they make the playoffs they have a good shot.


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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:01 PM

Any playoff team can win the cup including the wings. The best thing we can do is stay the course and add pieces if it makes sense. In 2-3 years I see us as perennial cup contenders.

The way Babcock has the wings playing is playoff hockey... The team isn't relying on their skill to win games their out working their way to wins and the wings haven't played that way in 3 years

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:17 PM

With your great powers of seeing the future can the OP give me the next lottery numbers?

 

 

Come on bud. I could have told you before the season started this team wasnt winning the Cup.



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:21 PM

I disagree with a lot of what both of you are saying.  I legitimately think we are a piece or two from being as competitive as any team in the league.  A big minute stay at home defenseman, and a top six winger like a Michael Ryder type (not him specifically) would improve this team a lot.  Then with Helm back we'd have a pretty solid team. 

 

I don't like the idea of stock piling picks because that essentially throws this season away as well as the next couple (until picks and prospects mature).  By that time Datsyuk and Filppula may be long gone, Zetterberg will be on the decline, as will Franzen and Kronwall.  In two or three years we might find we're further away from winning a cup then we are right now. 

Maybe if those pieces were Yzerman and Lidstrom



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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:34 PM

Next years forwards.

Franzen-Datsyuk-Perry
Brunner-Zetts-Bertuzzi
Nyquist-Helm-Tatar
Abs-Andersson-Tootoo

Our defense is going nowhere but up from here on and I think they can get it done. Over ripening our prospects could potentially have got us one of the best 3rd lines in the league for dirt cheap





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