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#21 unsaddleddonald

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:30 AM

I think that they are getting these guys some time to show their value in the big league. Gearing up for a trade.

 

But I agree, i believe Tatar will be up with the big boys next year. love what hes doing so far.

 

My intention is NOT to attack you here, but next year is now.

 

This move would make sense if we were the Blackhawks or Penguins where we don't need wins in a hurry. Moving Tatar down while keeping those other two sacks of s*** in the lineup makes us worse.

 

Tatar and his defensive struggles.....spare me.

 

DAN CLEARY CANNOT SKATE ANYMORE. How does that NOT make him a defensive liability?



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:40 AM

I think the fact that Babcock shuffled the lines so drmatically against CBJ means we may actually see Nyquist in the top 6.  Although Tatar has been great in his call up the last couple of games I felt he really didn't take care of the puck as well as he could have.  I think that plays into Babcock's reluctance to put Tatar on Pav's line.  Either way, I think Tatar played his way onto this team and it's just a matter of time until he is a permanent fixture.  Here's hoping Nuqist excels too.

 

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Franzen - Datsyuk - Nyquist

Cleary - Andersson - Eaves

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:40 AM

Tatar was awful last game, but he's still better than Cleary, as is anyone.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:41 AM

Seems a bit silly but this must mean Filppula is ready for Wednesday.  Add Filppula to Datsyuk's wing in place of Cleary or Abdelkader (although Babcock likes anchoring Datsyuk with Abs because he's big and strong which apparently means he might fill Holmstrom's role some day).  Holland's said they don't want to bring Nyquist up without a top 6 spot to put him (see: Datsyuk's wing) which means someone on the 3rd line has to get slotted farther down. 

 

They'll bring Tatar back up from GR soon enough-- they just don't want to have to put someone on waivers right now and Tomas is still exempt.

 

I am not someone who believes that tatar or Nyquist is our future. tatar has played well, but what we have seen is his max. That being said, he should still be here. Bringing up Nyquist is ok with me. Not sure why we would be switching them, with so many other stiffs on the team. The only way this makes sense is: trades. they are giving both a taste and have something in mind. One or both getting moved. Otherwise this makes no sense.

 

Yeah you usually see a prospect's max in their first NHL action... :rolleyes:


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:41 AM

Don't. Get. It.

 

Tatar should not be moving down to GR, unless there is some sort of locker room issue which we haven't heard about. Its about time with Nyquist...let the kid sink or swim at this point.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:41 AM

DAN CLEARY CANNOT SKATE ANYMORE. How does that NOT make him a defensive liability?

 

Dan Cleary is the future of the organization. He will be the centerpiece for years to come!



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:42 AM

Oh and as to why they're sending Tatar down instead of Andersson- they like Andersson's size and grit on the 3rd line.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:43 AM

I think the fact that Babcock shuffled the lines so drmatically against CBJ means we may actually see Nyquist in the top 6.  Although Tatar has been great in his call up the last couple of games I felt he really didn't take care of the puck as well as he could have.  I think that plays into Babcock's reluctance to put Tatar on Pav's line.  Either way, I think Tatar played his way onto this team and it's just a matter of time until he is a permanent fixture.  Here's hoping Nuqist excels too.

 

Abdelkader - Zetterberg - Brunner

Franzen - Datsyuk - Nyquist

Cleary - Andersson - Eaves

Miller - Emmerton - Tootoo

 

I understand your reasoning. I just wish that applied to everyone on this team and that the guys with seniority were not exempt from that.

 

Dan Cleary can't skate. He can't shoot. He gets the puck stripped from him.

 

Everytime he or Abby fumbles a pass from Pav, I want to throw up.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:47 AM

I understand your reasoning. I just wish that applied to everyone on this team and that the guys with seniority were not exempt from that.

 

Dan Cleary can't skate. He can't shoot. He gets the puck stripped from him.

 

Everytime him or Abby fumble a pass from Pav I want to throw up.

There's no denying that.  The problem is Tatar can be sent down without a risk of losing him where as Cleary and Abdelkader cannot.  Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer if Tatar wasnt sent down either but it is what it is.

 

For me, the way I see it shaking out is the lines I posted above, then when Fil comes back he can slot in with Zetterberg - Brunner, which pushes Abs down to the 3rd line. 


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:47 AM

tatar is playing good, yes, but we arent going to win or lose solely based on him. so i think our need for wins does not completely dictate this move.

 

if this move is in fact to establish a value on tatar and nyq, then I would only expect this for the next 5-8 games. then well see who gets sent off, because any trade we would make would be based on these 2. were not moving filp, mule, cleary, or abby which makes these 2 the only tradeable assets we have.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:50 AM

This is Nyquist's tryout for the Ducks...

 

Filppula/Nyquist/1st for Perry/1st.... :ninja:


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:52 AM

There's no denying that.  The problem is Tatar can be sent down without a risk of losing him where as Cleary and Abdelkader cannot.  Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer if Tatar wasnt sent down either but it is what it is.

 

For me, the way I see it shaking out is the lines I posted above, then when Fil comes back he can slot in with Zetterberg - Brunner, which pushes Abs down to the 3rd line. 

 

Oh if only someone would claim Cleary if the Wings put him on waivers.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:54 AM

Lol so much moaning.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:56 AM

Nyquist might be our trade deadline acquisition.  Holland may be wanting to see what Nyquist can do before deciding to pull the trigger on a trade that has us lose some assets.  Why this didn't happen earlier is anybody's guess.

 

Tatar got sent down probably because Nyquist will fill a similar role.  Anderson wouldn't get sent down because he's on the 4th line, and Nyquist will probably fill Tatar's presence.  I don't think it's a knock on Tatar, but we (unfortunately) can't send down Abdelkader or Cleary or someone like that instead.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:58 AM

There's no denying that.  The problem is Tatar can be sent down without a risk of losing him where as Cleary and Abdelkader cannot.  Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer if Tatar wasnt sent down either but it is what it is.

 

For me, the way I see it shaking out is the lines I posted above, then when Fil comes back he can slot in with Zetterberg - Brunner, which pushes Abs down to the 3rd line. 

I definitely LOL'd when I read that.

 

I would LOVE to have Cleary claimed off waivers!



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 10:59 AM

There's no denying that.  The problem is Tatar can be sent down without a risk of losing him where as Cleary and Abdelkader cannot.  Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer if Tatar wasnt sent down either but it is what it is.

 

For me, the way I see it shaking out is the lines I posted above, then when Fil comes back he can slot in with Zetterberg - Brunner, which pushes Abs down to the 3rd line. 

 

What risk?  Losing Cleary or Abby wouldn't hurt this team.  

 

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:00 AM

This move infuriates me.  My rage was slightly reduced upon learning that they did it to call up Nyquist.  But Nyquist is 23, and probably should've been up here on Day 1. Tatar is 22 years old but he has a skill set that many NHL'ers will never have.  The fact that Abdelkader and Cleary continue to destroy Pavel Datsyuk on the top line while we drop two in a row to Columbus...and then send down Tatar?  Makes no sense to me.

 

The problem with "overripe" is that just as soon as these guys get established on the Wings, you look up and Valterri Filppula is turning 29 next week.  The longer you string these guys out, the more tempted you become to fill the roster with padding like Samuelsson, Cleary, and Tootoo that cost more than young players and have little to no hope of making us a better offensive team.

 

Hope he's back sooner than later, he felt like he was on the verge of becoming a difference maker.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:00 AM

What the???? Is this a joke??? Where in the heck has babs and holland been? Do they not see that we have players like Emmerton, Cleary Abby and Eaves that are doing nothing?? Wow. They better have a good reason other then his play.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:01 AM

I still think it comes down to wanting to give Nyquist a look with the big club again to see what he can do.  That means either Tatar or Andersson had to get sent down.  You're simply swapping a LW for a LW instead of a center.  Really, I wouldn't be too shocked to see Andersson get sent back down soon in a swap for Ferraro or Sheahan.  It's all about giving some of the young guys a chance to start auditioning for a full-time spot next year a little early.  They've got an extended look at Tatar now, let's bring the next guy in line up to see what he can do.

This.

 

The frustrating part is seeing the kids produce and compete night in night out at the NHL level and get sent down when we have Cleary, and Abdelkader on our "2nd line" while struggling to score goals.

 

Its sad that Tatar Nyquist and Andersson will all eventually get sent back down at some point this season as the team gets healthy.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 11:03 AM

Nyquist might be our trade deadline acquisition.  Holland may be wanting to see what Nyquist can do before deciding to pull the trigger on a trade that has us lose some assets.  Why this didn't happen earlier is anybody's guess.

 

Tatar got sent down probably because Nyquist will fill a similar role.  Anderson wouldn't get sent down because he's on the 4th line, and Nyquist will probably fill Tatar's presence.  I don't think it's a knock on Tatar, but we (unfortunately) can't send down Abdelkader or Cleary or someone like that instead.

 

They can sit their ass down just like White because they play like s***.

 

Sorry, I'm just really tired of them.







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