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[frankgrimes]

Predators - are looking to add not to give up offense

Sabres - obviously sellers but the asking price for Stafford will be to steep

Kulemin - doesn't add anything to this roster, he is a great 3rd line guy but I'd rather see some home grown talent there

Dubinsky - BlueJackets traded NASH for him and their CEO of hockey operations stated more than once, that he is a big fan of Dubinksy.

[number9]

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3tciva/

[Richdg]

Oh yes, the good old stand by....... Some video game.

[Crymson]

Stafford isn't as good as people here think he is; the Jackets are not about to deal Dubinsky to a divisional rival; the Predators are not going to deal out their best net-front forward to a divisional rival; and Kulemin isn't really what the team needs.

 

And, as noted, they would all come very expensive. The salary cap really has wrecked the trade deadline.

Oh yes, the good old stand by....... Some video game.

 

The idea that Holland could reasonably attain all four of those is fantastic and belongs far more in a video game than it does in reality.

dubinsky in a heart beat. id trade white and nyquist for him

 

And the Jackets would laugh at the offer.

 

So is Hornqvist atm. Both will be back soon. The BJ's are rumored to be trying to dump all their big salaries. Dubinsky, Umberger, etc.... are all rumored to be on the block.

 

Uhh, OK. So they trade their franchise superstar in a deal that has Dubinsky going the other way, and now they want to dump his oh-so-huge $4.2m salary while the team is hot? Exactly where did this rumor come from?

Edited by Crymson, 12 March 2013 - 09:10 PM.

[Richdg]

Now back to the topic at hand. To improve this team, we need better players. It really is that simple. Our D is pretty good, with more talent on the way. It is and remains Forwards that are the problem. Now we can't go out and pick up 12 new forwards. ok Z and datsyuk are fine-when not completely exhausted, so 10 new forwards.

During our Cup runs we were a team that scored 250+ goals per year, or over 3 goals per game. Now we are on a pace for 214 goals over a 82 game season, or a 2.6 goals per game pace. That is a big drop.

Now can we pick up 4, 5, 6 new forwards? no. 2 or 3? Yes. Of the 4 guys I targeted, 3 of them have hit the 30 goals in a season mark. Only 3 players on our team or in our system have the ability to do that going forward, and even a couple of them are iffy, due to age. In fact, going forward the only player I would count on for 30 goals a year is Brunner and he is a UFA.  

ok......

 

http://hockeytraderu...ime/#more-24986

[St. Michael (the Red Wing)]

The fact is no division rival is trading with us. So let's look oustide the "current Central Division" for possible trade partners.

[frankgrimes]

NO the D is not pretty good and is the main reason for concern. It all starts with the D -> move the puck to the forwards and create chances. Dubinsky and Hornquist are not avaiable, Stafford will come with a steep pricetag and doesn't add some much needed grit or defensive responsibility. Kulemin is a third line player, a great one at that but he won't help the Wings.

 

The Wings need cap space - while the cap will drop to only 64,2 m next season - to sign Brunner and raise Howards salary, whatever capspace remains should be used to improve the D.

 

 

[Richdg]

more.....

 

http://www.mynhltrad...s-blue-jackets/

 

RW's with Stafford and thought on Dubinsky being available.

[matt198913]

Don't do anything rash, the Wings are middle of the pack right now. I like our young guys like Tartar and Andersson. Lets see what Nyquist can do, he may be expendable

[Richdg]

more.....

 

http://www.mynhltrad...det-and-cal-la/

[Richdg]

So a LW that is bigger, 2 years younger, and has already proven he can score 30 goals in a season isn't as good as Filppula who has yet to score more than 23 goals in a season. Ok got it. Forgot cheaper as well........

[LeftWinger]

What we need is a puck moving, quarterback, top pairing defenseman and a legit top 3 scorer....

[Crymson]

more.....

 

http://www.mynhltrad...det-and-cal-la/

 

That is by no means a reliable source.

[Richdg]

That is by no means a reliable source.

All sources are unreliable. That is why these are called rumors. But the point is, Stafford, Dubinsky, and yes Kulemin are rumored to be availabe. Hornqvist was my idea as I stated in the begining.

[number9]

All sources are unreliable. That is why these are called rumors. But the point is, Stafford, Dubinsky, and yes Kulemin are rumored to be availabe. Hornqvist was my idea as I stated in the begining.

Yeah a trade with the Preds, Jackets, and Leafs is totally reasonable. None of them hate us. Get on board guys.

[HIFI_canadian]

You do know our biggest problem is not having a #1 Defenseman, right? 

[luvmnger]

You do know our biggest problem is not having a #1 Defenseman, right? 

yup...the lidstrom/rafalski retirements really hits us hard.

[FlashyG]

So a LW that is bigger, 2 years younger, and has already proven he can score 30 goals in a season isn't as good as Filppula who has yet to score more than 23 goals in a season. Ok got it. Forgot cheaper as well........

 

Which player are you referring to? Kulemin? 

 

He's not exactly going to be available unless the Leafs fall out of contention. Also goals aren't everything Filppula has the highest single season point total of all the players you want.

 

In a shortened season where everyone is considered a playoff contender the few teams that are sellers will be getting insanely high returns for anyone they deal.

 

There is absolutely no chance in the world that ANY team is going to be getting all 4 of those players. It would cost them their farm teams and their draft picks for the next few years considering the prices this year.

 

Acquiring all 4 of them would cost us several of Nyquist, Tatar, Smith, Sproul, Ouelette, Marchenko, Mrazek, our first round picks for the next few years and possibly some later round picks as well.

[evilmrt]

You do know our biggest problem is not having a #1 Defenseman, right?

But a defenseman doesn't score goals as often, so it's less exciting for the less knowledgeable fan. Sign more forwards!

[Buppy]

Acquiring all 4 would be impossible. 3 would probably be a stretch. We just don't have that many tradeable assets. Then there's the fact that two of the trade partners are current division rivals and the other two will be next year. Also cuts very close to the cap, and could potentially cause trouble the year after next when Datsyuk, Ericsson, and Quincey need to be re-signed or replaced.

 

Fun to fantasize about and on paper it might look great, but there's only so much ice time to go around. All those guys aren't going to match or better their career highs, some may not fit in at all, and most importantly I think is that it just ignores the real problem: Datsyuk and Zetterberg.

 

Prior to the last 7 games, we were averaging just under 3 gpg. That's boosted a bit by the big game against Vancouver, but even if you replace that game with a "normal" good game (say 4-5 goals), it's still around 2.75. Not great, but not too bad considering we've had at least one top six forward out for over half the year, and none of White, Quincey, or Smith are producing any offense.

 

We've scored 10 goals in the last 7 games, and Pav and Hank have combined for just 5 points. Hank has 1 goal in 19 games. Any team is going to struggle scoring when their stars are slumping at the same time. Surrounding them with 2nd-tier scorers (with 2nd-tier salaries) won't necessarily help as much as you might think, as those players usually depend on the stars to get their production.

 

Overall, Pav and Hank are still having a good year, and I expect they'll turn it around soon enough. The real worry comes in the future. If already we're seeing slumps like this (and the start of last season), what will happen in 2-3 years? If they continue to decline, and this becomes more the norm, then players like those listed aren't going to help. Or at least, not make us a contender. Just the opposite actually. We'll be fighting the cap, most/all of those guys will have much lower trade value, we'd have given up our entire next generation to get them, and likely stuck in a mediocrity trap where were too good to land a top pick but not good enough to do anything meaningful.

 

Instead of 4 complimentary players, what we really need is a 3rd star. Someone to ease the pressure on Pav and Hank, and young and good enough to assume the lead when they decline. Complimetary roles are best filled with cheaper kids and vets, and maybe a couple in their prime. Unfortunately, the prospects for getting another star aren't good. Failing that, stockpiling picks and prospects is the best bet. It's a more certain, and likely deeper, decline; but the recovery should come quicker and be more lasting. Adding one of those guys would be alright, if the price was cheap.