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#1 unsaddleddonald

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:29 PM

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"I go through this time and time again with the players, with the media, with everyone — the players decide who plays, not me. If you play good, you get to keep playing (and) if you don't …?"

 
 
LIAR...YOU'RE A LIAR.
 
Exhibit A: Dan Cleary
Exhibit B: Tomas Tatar
 
There is so much contradiction in that sentence, I want to throw up.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:32 PM

2 way street.

 

Exhibit A: Ian White, Kent Huskins

Exhibit B: Jakub Kindl, Brian Lashoff



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:37 PM

2 way street.

 

Exhibit A: Ian White, Kent Huskins

Exhibit B: Jakub Kindl, Brian Lashoff

 

EXACTLY!!

 

Why does it apply to some and not others? Double standard.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:45 PM

huskins was doing good. not sure why he was even sat in the first place and why we have held on to Q for so long.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:50 PM

Babcock's the king at passing off the onus on himself to other people. He plays his favorites like every other coach in the league does.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

So Cleary-Datsyuk-Abby not getting scored on EVERY shift = playing good now?

 

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

total BS.  see Abdelkader

                

 

or better yet, see Franzen.  He decided to play in the playoffs 4 years ago. that seems to have earned him quite a lengthy leash.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 05:19 PM

I will agree that babcocks line there is bs for the most part.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:24 PM

Come on Babs -- Justin Abdelkader would be in the press box every night if this were true.


 
 
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Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:45 PM

Babs must have some kind of idealistic vision for the team, so much that it's blinding him to players that don't belong here...

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:10 PM

Babs must have some kind of idealistic vision for the team, so much that it's blinding him to players that don't belong here...

 

It's all those coaching books he read during the 2010-2011 offseason before bringing in Bill Peters and Jeff Blashill! All those crazy ideas he was talking about. 


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:27 PM

So if the players decide who plays, who's the idiot that plays Abby and Cleary in the top 6. I guess the players make that decision as well ? I never thought I would start hating Babcock, but this is starting to get ridiculous.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:35 PM

Come on Babs -- Justin Abdelkader would be in the press box every night if this were true.

That statement is as true as you think Babs statement is.

I think Babs focuses on defense more than anything else. Players are on a short leash when it comes to defensive mistakes (White, Tatar) and a long leash when it comes to offensive production. You can be without puck luck when it comes to scoring, but there isn't any puck luck for being soft on your stick or missing coverage.

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:35 PM

Some people here are having trouble with the distinction between 'who plays' and 'on which line one plays.' Babcock said the former, not the latter.

 

Put down the pitchforks.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:40 PM

I'd pay to hear exactly what Babs sees in each player, not saying his whole sentence is BS but just curious.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 07:47 PM

Anyone on here ever see the Wings "practice?". Especially on a daily basis? I don't. Not defending Babs here either but regardless of the "loyalty" concept maybe there is more inbetween the lines. IDK.



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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:03 PM

Come on Babs -- Justin Abdelkader would be in the press box every night if this were true.

 

It amazes me that anyone thinks he's somehow useful.  We could find a grinder out of the minors that could put up similar numbers and play just as hard on the forecheck.

 

If he's waived, this team will lose nothing, even if he's picked up.  



Some people here are having trouble with the distinction between 'who plays' and 'on which line one plays.' Babcock said the former, not the latter.

 

Put down the pitchforks.

 

Insignificant distinction.

 

If he's talking about rewarding players by putting them in the lineup, the same should go for where they play in the lineup.  Guys like Cleary, Abdelkader and Quincey have been rewarded with icetime they didn't deserve.   



That statement is as true as you think Babs statement is.

I think Babs focuses on defense more than anything else. Players are on a short leash when it comes to defensive mistakes (White, Tatar) and a long leash when it comes to offensive production. You can be without puck luck when it comes to scoring, but there isn't any puck luck for being soft on your stick or missing coverage.

 

Your second line should not be a primarily defensive (checking) line.  That's what it was for about 6 or 7 games.    


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:09 PM

 
It's all those coaching books he read during the 2010-2011 offseason before bringing in Bill Peters and Jeff Blashill! All those crazy ideas he was talking about.


Someone send him the newest edition of "Special Teams for Dummies"

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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:09 PM

It amazes me that anyone thinks he's somehow useful.  We could find a grinder out of the minors that could put up similar numbers and play just as hard on the forecheck.

 

If he's waived, this team will lose nothing, even if he's picked up.  



 

Insignificant distinction.

 

If he's talking about rewarding players by putting them in the lineup, the same should go for where they play in the lineup.  Guys like Cleary, Abdelkader and Quincey have been rewarded with icetime they didn't deserve.   



 

Your second line should not be a primarily defensive (checking) line.  That's what it was for about 6 or 7 games.    

 

There is such a thing as a roster limit. You can't just simply dump all of your "fillers" that aren't waiver exempt and 1 way contracts. As much as some of us would love for all these guys from GR to play, it's unrealistic without the trades. I know you say that you wouldn't mind just "dumping" some of them to the waiver process and not caring if they get picked up, but you're losing value without return and that's going to get you knee deep somewhere you don't want to be; whether it be immediately or delayed. You will strip your pipeline to your roster and have nothing developing meanwhile. Injuries happen, and what do you call up? It's a bad practice and you simply just don't do it.


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Posted 12 March 2013 - 08:13 PM

There is such a thing as a roster limit. You can't just simply dump all of your "fillers" that aren't waiver exempt and 1 way contracts. As much as some of us would love for all these guys from GR to play, it's unrealistic without the trades. I know you say that you wouldn't mind just "dumping" some of them to the waiver process and not caring if they get picked up, but you're losing value without return and that's going to get you knee deep somewhere you don't want to be; whether it be immediately or delayed. You will strip your pipeline to your roster and have nothing developing meanwhile. Injuries happen, and what do you call up? It's a bad practice and you simply just don't do it.

 
I said in the other thread that I don't think we should waive all those players (because of injuries). I realize what the situation is.
 
I'm merely saying that waiving any one of them will not be a loss, and that our pipeline players are no worse than many of the guys currently getting significant opportunities (Cleary, Abby, Miller, etc)

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