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[Euro_Twins]

Why I suggested Kronwall was IF the Wings looked like they would not make the playoffs come deadline day and a big return could be had for him. Maybe in a package with Mule?  It's funny how some on here are screaming about a rebuild or a big trade but never want to give anything up in return.  

 

We are currently sitting in 5th in the conference, I would rather trade prospects and picks then one of the best dmen in the league (believe it or not) He is second among dmen in scoring, He has been a +6 since his awful start, and he is really figuring out his role since #5 left. This was known to be a TRANSISTION season, not a rebuild, we are bring younger, bigger, faster guys up. We all knew that we wouldn't be the top team in the league, let them make their mistakes it is the only way to learn, there is no need to to hit the panic button every time we get scored on, or lose a game. 

[Z Winged Dangler]

 
We are currently sitting in 5th in the conference, I would rather trade prospects and picks then one of the best dmen in the league (believe it or not) He is second among dmen in scoring, He has been a +6 since his awful start, and he is really figuring out his role since #5 left. This was known to be a TRANSISTION season, not a rebuild, we are bring younger, bigger, faster guys up. We all knew that we wouldn't be the top team in the league, let them make their mistakes it is the only way to learn, there is no need to to hit the panic button every time we get scored on, or lose a game. 

Agreed. This is likely why Tatar was swapped with Nyquist as well so they both get a taste and you can only have a 23 man roster so we'll only see a couple up at a time. After a couple contracts expire we'll see more if them inserted. Next up is Callahan.

[haroldsnepsts]

The only way it makes sense to trade Kronwall is in a package deal for a top #1 defenseman.  And I don't see that happening. 

[Richdg]

First you can't trade Kronwall-Full NTC. Not untill 2015/16 can he be moved. Now with that being said, the question is valid. it depends on what the answer to the question of: How far away from a SC are we? If you beleive that we can compete for SC over the next 3 years-when Kronwall is 33, 34, and 35, then you keep him. if you beleive that we are further away than that, then the idea of moving expensive veteran players for cheap young talent is a valid question.

yes kronwall is doing well, offensively. the flip side is, the defense part of defensemen needs some serious work. he is overly agressive and alwasy out of position lately. Last night-before Q went out of the game, Kindl and Ericsson where togehter facing the Oilers top line. kronwall was with Smith facing the second line.

[RyanBarnes!]

Why I suggested Kronwall was IF the Wings looked like they would not make the playoffs come deadline day and a big return could be had for him. Maybe in a package with Mule?  It's funny how some on here are screaming about a rebuild or a big trade but never want to give anything up in return.  

Yes, you have a point in that to get something you will need to give up something too. The problem I have with trading Kronwall is that he is not likely to fetch a player to be considered an upgrade in return. What we seek is a "legitimate" no 1 defenseman. For obvious reasons we are not going to get a Weber or Doughty in return from a team looking to go deep in the playoffs. I also do not believe that the best solution is to initiate a complete rebuild, that would basically mean trading for picks and prospects ready to make an impact years from now. This team isonly missing a few key pieces IMO. I, as many others, have argued that the Red Wings most tradeable assets are Filppula and Franzen. Unfortunately, the pending FA status of Filppula will impact the return for him, but if there is a possibility to trade him in a package deal I see this as the most viable option for Holland to improve this team. Mainly because I think Filppula could benefit from a change of scenery and because his pass first mentality is similar to others on the team. What I hope to get in return is a speedy forward with goal scoring touch and preferably some size.

[Manny>Ozzie(by a long shot)]

Trade the entire team for Hudler.
 

I have been waiting for someone to post this again for a long time. Makes me lol every time.

[Red Crazy]

Yes, you have a point in that to get something you will need to give up something too. The problem I have with trading Kronwall is that he is not likely to fetch a player to be considered an upgrade in return. What we seek is a "legitimate" no 1 defenseman. For obvious reasons we are not going to get a Weber or Doughty in return from a team looking to go deep in the playoffs. I also do not believe that the best solution is to initiate a complete rebuild, that would basically mean trading for picks and prospects ready to make an impact years from now. This team isonly missing a few key pieces IMO. I, as many others, have argued that the Red Wings most tradeable assets are Filppula and Franzen. Unfortunately, the pending FA status of Filppula will impact the return for him, but if there is a possibility to trade him in a package deal I see this as the most viable option for Holland to improve this team. Mainly because I think Filppula could benefit from a change of scenery and because his pass first mentality is similar to others on the team. What I hope to get in return is a speedy forward with goal scoring touch and preferably some size.

I was thinking the same about Fil. Because he is a ufa and his deadline worth might be a bit less because of that , then does it make more sense to deal Franzen and a prospect or a pick for a sniper? I can't remember if Mule has a ntc?

[Buppy]

I was thinking the same about Fil. Because he is a ufa and his deadline worth might be a bit less because of that , then does it make more sense to deal Franzen and a prospect or a pick for a sniper? I can't remember if Mule has a ntc?

He doesn't, but he's on the opposite end of the contract problem spectrum. The length of his deal would likely mean not getting full value in return.

[DeGraa55]

He doesn't, but he's on the opposite end of the contract problem spectrum. The length of his deal would likely mean not getting full value in return.

Or any value. For those of you obsessed with franzen what do you guys think his value really is?

Many of you who.love franzen and hate say o Reilly. Franzen isn't even close to enough to get him or anyone else worth getting.

Shouldn't that show you just how much value he DOESNT have.

[LeftWinger]

Now is the time to keep Kronwall....the time to trade him was at the 2009 draft. Way back then I was suggesting trading Kronwall, Franzine and the rights to Hudler (who was an upcoming RFA) to Tampa for the #2 pick and draft Hedman to be groomed by Lidstrom... would have been a dandy of a deal! He would be our #1 defenseman right now and we wouldn't be looking around at what to do about a top pairing...We would've had Hossa still along with Hedman...and we would STILL have them both and then there would be no lazy Franzine talk either!

 

Ahhh, but hindsight is always a kick in the pants, eh?

 

I would have missed Kronwall, but he was tradable then, now he needs to stay.  Funny though, I am still waiting for the first Kronwalled of the season...why do you think he hasn't been hitting like he used to?

[DeGraa55]

Now is the time to keep Kronwall....the time to trade him was at the 2009 draft. Way back then I was suggesting trading Kronwall, Franzine and the rights to Hudler (who was an upcoming RFA) to Tampa for the #2 pick and draft Hedman to be groomed by Lidstrom... would have been a dandy of a deal! He would be our #1 defenseman right now and we wouldn't be looking around at what to do about a top pairing...We would've had Hossa still along with Hedman...and we would STILL have them both and then there would be no lazy Franzine talk either!
 
Ahhh, but hindsight is always a kick in the pants, eh?
 
I would have missed Kronwall, but he was tradable then, now he needs to stay.  Funny though, I am still waiting for the first Kronwalled of the season...why do you think he hasn't been hitting like he used to?

Cause he is trying to be a number one and not getting caught out of position. I also think he is more focused on staying healthy and paying more attention defensively. As much as I miss his big hits. I think its actually helping the team and him for him to jot do it.

[Z Winged Dangler]

_{We don't need to trade Kronwall, we need to get him a D partner that is the equivalent of 2008 Brad Stuart.  Ericsson is awesome, but that pairing has been the s***s lately.}

[Red Crazy]

_{We don't need to trade Kronwall, we need to get him a D partner that is the equivalent of 2008 Brad Stuart.  Ericsson is awesome, but that pairing has been the s***s lately.}

The Wings are apparently scouting Smid. Not sure he is top 2 material though. I do think he might be a good shut down guy but his offense numbers are awful. 

[Z Winged Dangler]

The Wings are apparently scouting Smid. Not sure he is top 2 material though. I do think he might be a good shut down guy but his offense numbers are awful. 

Oilers D is terrible.  Smid is a good Dman, but he's definitely not top 2.  He'd be more or less Quincey with less trying to take slapshots in the slot on bouncing pucks when up 1-0.    That is to say i'd take him over Q.

[softshoes]

Jesus Christ

[Wheelchairsuperhero]

To get right to the point I don't think we should trade Kronwall at this point. I actually think the idea is kinda ridiculous, no offense intended. I think he'll find his groove defensively. I'd prefer he just wasnt our top guy because I don't think that's where he excels, but he's still a valuable asset. Offensive numbers pretty darn good too. Not that I know everything about hockey, so don't yell at me too much please

[achildr1]

I hate being dramatic but this thread really is nonsense. Step back and look at our defense without Kronwall...if that isnt the worst defense in the NHL, its right up there. I mean for real, we wouldnt have a top 2 guy at all. It would be shameful to call any defenseman on our roster more than a #3 guy. You dont trade a top 15 defenseman unless you have another one or your rebuilding/he's gonna be a free agent.

[Wheelchairsuperhero]

I hate being dramatic but this thread really is nonsense. Step back and look at our defense without Kronwall...if that isnt the worst defense in the NHL, its right up there. I mean for real, we wouldnt have a top 2 guy at all. It would be shameful to call any defenseman on our roster more than a #3 guy. You dont trade a top 15 defenseman unless you have another one or your rebuilding/he's gonna be a free agent.

What you said.

[Z Winged Dangler]

I hate being dramatic but this thread really is nonsense. Step back and look at our defense without Kronwall...if that isnt the worst defense in the NHL, its right up there. I mean for real, we wouldnt have a top 2 guy at all. It would be shameful to call any defenseman on our roster more than a #3 guy. You dont trade a top 15 defenseman unless you have another one or your rebuilding/he's gonna be a free agent.

Smith was supposed to be a potential #2 but he's been only decent this year when not injured.  1 point in 18 games wouldn't be so bad if he was shutting guys down hard and throwing big hits, but he's gotta pick it up a bit and take some of that heat off of Kronwall.

[LeftWinger]

Oilers D is terrible.  Smid is a good Dman, but he's definitely not top 2.  He'd be more or less Quincey with less trying to take slapshots in the slot on bouncing pucks when up 1-0.    That is to say i'd take him over Q.

 

Well, there goes out 1st round pick this year then!