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#21 stevie for president

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:35 AM

Probably because they have 2 top 6 forwards and 1, maybe 2, puck moving defensemen. I don't know if it's a lack of creativity as much as it is a lack of talent. This team is not good.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:51 AM

Hmmm.. The Wings need a top 4 puck moving defenseman, and a couple top 6 forwards who can actually score a goal. Hmmm... if only there was someway to obtain such players. Hmmm... if only you could somehow exchange players, picks or prospects with other teams to make your own team better. Hmmm.... it would be so perfect. Hmmm... if only we could of gotten rid of some of the 3 extra defenseman we don't  have ice time for. If only we could of gotten rid of some of the 4 extra forwards who take up a bunch of cap space? And if only we could get rid of some of our goalie prospects wasting there lives in Grand Rapids because we already have a #1 for the distant future, and a very skilled #3 in the waiting. Hmmm.... if only every other team in contention hadn't magically become better!



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 05:49 AM

http://www.mlive.com...ml#incart_river

 

Said Babcock: “We don't score that good so we got to keep grinding. The bottom line is I thought we put a good effort in. We got another game tomorrow (at Chicago), so let's get on the flight and get something in us and get ready to go.''

 

The Red Wings continue to struggle to score. It doesn't look like that will change.

 

“The league tightens up,'' Babcock said. “Some guys score and some guys don't, and we got a lot that don't.''



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:03 AM

This is all because Babs is switching the lines so bad.

If we wanna make the playoffs it's the time to put some goal scorers into the bottom six. Bring in some quality instead of size und put together what belongs together. Plus we are in need of skillful defensemen. Makes no sense to let play some lazy guys like Ericsson or Quincey. Especially on the PP:

 

 

Tatar, Datsjuk, Franzen

Nyquist, Zetterberg, Brunner

Cleary, Filppula, Abdelkader

Miller, Emmerton, Eaves

 

Kronwall, Lashoff

Smith, Kindl

DeKeyser, White

 

 

- Kronwall and Lash already played together very successfully. Lash is a very good defender and would allow Kronwall to create some offense. Plus he moves the puck a lot better than simply sweepers like Colaiacovo, Ericsson or Quincey.

 

- Zetterberg and Brunner are not scoring on 5vs5 since they were separated by Babs. Think Nyquist could be a good addition because he worked well with Brunner in 1,2 games.

 

- Tatar is a young guy but has the quickest hands (after Datsjuk and Brunner) of the whole roster. He's a natural born goalscorer and should get a call up very immediately. Wanna see him paired with Datsjuk and Franzen. Franzen can take Abby's job and drive hard to the net. He has the body and he's useless if he's just standin arround.

 

- Filppula is not scoring altough he's playing in the bottom six all the time. Can't accept that anymore. Maybe he would feel confident as 3rd line center along with some hard working guys who can create a lot of space for him.

 

 

So I'm pretty sure that reunite what worked and put together what belongs together would be the key...


Edited by poel, 12 April 2013 - 08:06 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:18 AM

Wow. It's shocking that a team full of pluggers, rookies, and bargain basement filler would lack creativity. The few skilled players we on our roster have got to be shaking their heads at times wondering "WTF??"


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:19 AM

For this team's style of play, we need to be better on the back end.  When we had Lidstrom, Schneider, Rafalski, Stuart sitting on the opposing teams' blueline, blasting the puck back into the zone, we had no problem scoring goals.  This team lives and dies by its defensemen.



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 08:23 AM

For this team's style of play, we need to be better on the back end.  When we had Lidstrom, Schneider, Rafalski, Stuart sitting on the opposing teams' blueline, blasting the puck back into the zone, we had no problem scoring goals.  This team lives and dies by its defensemen.

 

True. But Defensemen like Quincey, Ericsson and also Colaiacovo are just useless at the blue line. I do not unterstand why Babs let them play instead of excellent puck movers like Lash, Smith or White. Makes no sense...



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:01 AM

Hmmm.. The Wings need a top 4 puck moving defenseman, and a couple top 6 forwards who can actually score a goal. Hmmm... if only there was someway to obtain such players. Hmmm... if only you could somehow exchange players, picks or prospects with other teams to make your own team better. Hmmm.... it would be so perfect. Hmmm... if only we could of gotten rid of some of the 3 extra defenseman we don't  have ice time for. If only we could of gotten rid of some of the 4 extra forwards who take up a bunch of cap space? And if only we could get rid of some of our goalie prospects wasting there lives in Grand Rapids because we already have a #1 for the distant future, and a very skilled #3 in the waiting. Hmmm.... if only every other team in contention hadn't magically become better!

Hmmm...  If only Anaheim would take a trade like McCollum, White (pending UFA), & Miller (pending UFA) for a Bobby Ryan.  Hmmm...  If only Calgary would have taken Pearce (leaving hockey to go back to med school), Sammy (injured & has a NTC), & Emmerton for Bouwmeester.  Hmmm...  If only every trade Kenny tried to make for a top 6 forward or #1/2 d-man wouldn't start with teams wanting Smith, Nyquist, and/or Mrazek in return & instead they would take a combination of the Wings' bottom 6 forwards & #6/7 d-men for high caliber players .  Hmmm...If only Kenny didn't care about rebuilding the talent pool in the farm system that was dreadful after spending the 90's & early 00's trading his best picks & prospects away and he would just continue to flip them for more bottom 6 forwards or bottom pairing d-men.

 

Hopefully that offensive creativity is on the way in the next few years i.e. Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Frk, Almquist, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Sproul, etc. as long as Kenny doesn't go nuts & trade them all off.


Edited by ogreslayer, 12 April 2013 - 09:09 AM.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 09:48 AM

First of all is it possible for our roster to look like this?  Secondly I think we lack creativity because our talent pool on the ice, we have it in our system just not on the ice.  No way Miller or Abby (I do like what he brings though and think this time with dats has been good, but lets finish it now) should be in the top six.  If we used these lines I think we would see some magic, they also need a time to gel as a line and create chemestry too.  This folks with the addition of Helm could be awesome.

 

 

Nyquist     Datsyuk       Franzen

 

Tatar        Zetterberg      Brunner

 

Filppula    Andersson     Eaves

 

Cleary      Abdelkader    Tootoo/Miller


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:03 PM

This is all because Babs is switching the lines so bad.

If we wanna make the playoffs it's the time to put some goal scorers into the bottom six. Bring in some quality instead of size und put together what belongs together. Plus we are in need of skillful defensemen. Makes no sense to let play some lazy guys like Ericsson or Quincey. Especially on the PP:

 

 

Tatar, Datsjuk, Franzen

Nyquist, Zetterberg, Brunner

Cleary, Filppula, Abdelkader

Miller, Emmerton, Eaves

 

Kronwall, Lashoff

Smith, Kindl

DeKeyser, White

 

 

- Kronwall and Lash already played together very successfully. Lash is a very good defender and would allow Kronwall to create some offense. Plus he moves the puck a lot better than simply sweepers like Colaiacovo, Ericsson or Quincey.

 

- Zetterberg and Brunner are not scoring on 5vs5 since they were separated by Babs. Think Nyquist could be a good addition because he worked well with Brunner in 1,2 games.

 

- Tatar is a young guy but has the quickest hands (after Datsjuk and Brunner) of the whole roster. He's a natural born goalscorer and should get a call up very immediately. Wanna see him paired with Datsjuk and Franzen. Franzen can take Abby's job and drive hard to the net. He has the body and he's useless if he's just standin arround.

 

- Filppula is not scoring altough he's playing in the bottom six all the time. Can't accept that anymore. Maybe he would feel confident as 3rd line center along with some hard working guys who can create a lot of space for him.

 

 

So I'm pretty sure that reunite what worked and put together what belongs together would be the key...

 I agree with the whole thing except I wish we had a better option than White.  God he sucks bad.


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Posted 12 April 2013 - 01:20 PM

http://www.mlive.com...ml#incart_river

 

Said Babcock: “We don't score that good so we got to keep grinding. The bottom line is I thought we put a good effort in. We got another game tomorrow (at Chicago), so let's get on the flight and get something in us and get ready to go.''

 

The Red Wings continue to struggle to score. It doesn't look like that will change.

 

“The league tightens up,'' Babcock said. “Some guys score and some guys don't, and we got a lot that don't.''

 

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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:09 PM

 I agree with the whole thing except I wish we had a better option than White.  God he sucks bad.

 

He's the future.



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:12 PM

I love how it takes over a month of poor/ inconsistent play for Babcock to FINALLY put pavs and hank together on the same line. He does it, then they literally win us the game against the Avs. Then the Wings have a bad period, as seen yesterday, and Babcock already splits them up. I love the job Babs has been doing with the young guys, but the job that he has done with the top 2 lines this season has been poor. We need goals, that is a fact. In response to that, we have Brunner playing on the 3rd line so that CLEARY can now play on the 2nd line AGAIN?! If babs does not want to play Pavs and Hank together, then I think Fil should play with Pavs so that we can get Fil going.

 

Filpulla- Datsyuk- Abs

Franzen- Hank- Brunner

 

That is what I would go with as of now. 



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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:16 PM

He's the future.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 12:38 AM

Hmmm...  If only Anaheim would take a trade like McCollum, White (pending UFA), & Miller (pending UFA) for a Bobby Ryan.  Hmmm...  If only Calgary would have taken Pearce (leaving hockey to go back to med school), Sammy (injured & has a NTC), & Emmerton for Bouwmeester.  Hmmm...  If only every trade Kenny tried to make for a top 6 forward or #1/2 d-man wouldn't start with teams wanting Smith, Nyquist, and/or Mrazek in return & instead they would take a combination of the Wings' bottom 6 forwards & #6/7 d-men for high caliber players .  Hmmm...If only Kenny didn't care about rebuilding the talent pool in the farm system that was dreadful after spending the 90's & early 00's trading his best picks & prospects away and he would just continue to flip them for more bottom 6 forwards or bottom pairing d-men.

 

Hopefully that offensive creativity is on the way in the next few years i.e. Nyquist, Tatar, Jurco, Frk, Almquist, Jarnkrok, Pulkkinen, Sproul, etc. as long as Kenny doesn't go nuts & trade them all off.

 

I agree, no one wants our garbage, but last year Stuart said he wants to go to Cali and there were rumors of Anaheim looking to trade Bobby Ryan. You could've packaged Stuart, a 1st, and mid-round pick or mid-range prospect for Bobby Ryan at that time (and I even suggested it in a thread last year so this isn't a case of hindsight being 20/20) instead of letting Stuart walk and wasting that 1st on Quincey. At this deadline, you could've gotten at least a 5th for White and an overpayment for Filppula who are both likely walking at the end of the season. My issue is if Kenny is rebuilding, why were the wings trying to be bargain shoppers at the deadline? He could have just as easily gotten some picks and prospects for those 2 UFAs, scratched guys like Cleary and seen what the next wave of prospects has to offer. Maybe Tatar provides some offense. I mean, he can't be worse than Flip or Brunner have been.

 

Dallas, Phoenix, and San Jose are 3 sellers who have really turned it on after the deadline, so it's possible to be a seller and still make the playoffs, too!



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Posted 13 April 2013 - 02:43 AM

Need to have effort to be creative.  This team gives an embarrassing effort every night.  They ought to be ashamed of themselves...honestly.  Columbus deserves our spot so much more than us it sickens me.   


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Posted 13 April 2013 - 04:38 AM

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O god don't let Holland see. That's a two year and a ntc waiting to happen.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 05:47 AM

- Tatar is a young guy but has the quickest hands (after Datsjuk and Brunner) of the whole roster. He's a natural born goalscorer and should get a call up very immediately. Wanna see him paired with Datsjuk and Franzen. Franzen can could take Abby's job and drive hard to the net. He has the body and but he's useless if  and he's just standin always just floating arround.

Fixed.

 

I've never been more high on trading this guy as I have been since just before the trade deadline. We constantly toss around things like:  Value. Worth. Contract Impossibilities.  Giving up our only big bodied scorer. OH NOEZ!!  I don't care. Trade the guy.  Make it happen. 

 

I promise I won't turn into LeftWinger with the Franzen bashing but, for chrissakes... Franzen is just getting worse and worse and there is no punishment for his sorry and lazy style of play.  Never benched.  Always in the top six. 

 

I know this team was once built on team/player loyalty for a number of years, but it's not working anymore.  Work hard and you will be rewarded. Now it just seems like we're rewarding guys because, "hey, this guy has done it before... he can do it again."

Well, WHEN?  If not NOW! WHEN?

If you're not working hard when your team needs you the most... GTFO. 


Edited by e_prime, 13 April 2013 - 05:49 AM.

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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:19 AM

Fixed.

 

I've never been more high on trading this guy as I have been since just before the trade deadline. We constantly toss around things like:  Value. Worth. Contract Impossibilities.  Giving up our only big bodied scorer. OH NOEZ!!  I don't care. Trade the guy.  Make it happen. 

 

I promise I won't turn into LeftWinger with the Franzen bashing but, for chrissakes... Franzen is just getting worse and worse and there is no punishment for his sorry and lazy style of play.  Never benched.  Always in the top six. 

 

I know this team was once built on team/player loyalty for a number of years, but it's not working anymore.  Work hard and you will be rewarded. Now it just seems like we're rewarding guys because, "hey, this guy has done it before... he can do it again."

Well, WHEN?  If not NOW! WHEN?

If you're not working hard when your team needs you the most... GTFO. 

 

You're right. Same problem with Fil. Maybe some fresh air would help this team to step up. Mule and Fil are skilled players but actually it seems that they're not willing to make an effort every single day.



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Posted 13 April 2013 - 09:27 AM

To think about the days where every one wanted to keep Franzen over Hossa ... Pathetic ...







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