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#41 MasterPavel

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 12:32 PM

 
Just a thought, but if the Wings sign Dekeyser and/or the other guy, the big Czech, would you be willing to part with Smith then?

Yes I would at that point. Even if we just get Danny Deke.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 01:28 PM

What about a 3-way trade?

 

Red Wings Get: Marian Gaborik + Sharks mid-round pick

 

Sharks Get: Tomas Tatar + Rangers 1st round pick.

 

Rangers Get: Dan Boyle + Red Wings 1st round pick

 

Am I close?

 

Thoughts?


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 02:05 PM

Gaborik? He is not worth out 1st pick that's for sure....

I dunno, even with our relatively crappy season we'll probably still have a pick in the 20-25th range.  He's definitely worth that to me. 



And also what parts of the team would have to be let go to fit his $7.5mil cap hit for only one season...

Sammy?  Please say sammy.  :w00t:



Well the rumors I'm reading now are saying that they want to shed salary.  They are reportedly interested in trading for Dan Boyle but need to clear space and a Gaborik for Boyle trade won't work because San Jose is looking to shed salary as well.  According to one rumor the Rangers want a top four, right shooting d-man, and some depth roster players.  If they are planning on acquiring Boyle then I don't think they'd want Smith.  Maybe Nyquist or Tatar, but not another d-man. 

Don't we all.  We could give them Whitey, maybe?


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#44 St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:51 PM

Biggest disappoinment award this season (so far) goes to the NYR.

 

And for good reason.

 

Would be quite funny if they miss the playoffs tbh.



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Posted 22 March 2013 - 08:06 AM

What about a 3-way trade?

 

Red Wings Get: Marian Gaborik + Sharks mid-round pick

 

Sharks Get: Tomas Tatar + Rangers 1st round pick.

 

Rangers Get: Dan Boyle + Red Wings 1st round pick

 

Am I close?

 

Thoughts?

 

Gotta Throw another prospect going to the Rangers for giving up Gaborik. For example keep the trade as is but have the wings throw in someone like Ferraro or Sheenan going to the Rangers for the deal to work IMO



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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:02 PM

I'm now reading that the Rangers want a replacement forward for Gaborik.  Think they'd consider a 1 for 1 swap for Franzen?  They get a big body who's capable of producing, and they get to shed salary.  We get a scoring winger for Pavel.  All would be right with the world. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:04 PM

I'm now reading that the Rangers want a replacement forward for Gaborik.  Think they'd consider a 1 for 1 swap for Franzen?  They get a big body who's capable of producing, and they get to shed salary.  We get a scoring winger for Pavel.  All would be right with the world. 

 

my god, that would be absolutely incredible.. 

 

also, i think it's funny that the rangers are 9th in the east, while the jackets are 9th in the west. i'd love to see CBJ make the playoffs and NYR miss them :P 


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:12 PM

my god, that would be absolutely incredible.. 

 

also, i think it's funny that the rangers are 9th in the east, while the jackets are 9th in the west. i'd love to see CBJ make the playoffs and NYR miss them :P

 

The funny part is, the way they're playing right now, CBJ would absolutely murder the Rangers in a 7 game series.  I thought all along that while Columbus could have probably got more for Nash, what they did get made them a better team.  They're definitely a blue collar bunch, but there's a ton of guys on that team that play a tough hard working brand of hockey. 

 

Back to the Gaborik thing, I think it would all depend on whether Holland was willing to come off Franzen because the Rangers aren't likely to get anything better on a return and they like their big bodied players.  Plus we could pretty easily handle Gaborik's contract, which will price him out of the market for most other teams.  I think it's a real possibility, depending on whether Holland has the will to do so. 

 

If you added Gaborik and (in a dream world) Yandle to this team and we'd be lethal. 


Edited by kipwinger, 23 March 2013 - 02:13 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:21 PM

They put Bickell on waiver...

I wouldn't mind him as a 6-7 D... Right hand shot, big, not afraid of fighting...
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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:50 PM

The funny part is, the way they're playing right now, CBJ would absolutely murder the Rangers in a 7 game series.  I thought all along that while Columbus could have probably got more for Nash, what they did get made them a better team.  They're definitely a blue collar bunch, but there's a ton of guys on that team that play a tough hard working brand of hockey. 

 

Back to the Gaborik thing, I think it would all depend on whether Holland was willing to come off Franzen because the Rangers aren't likely to get anything better on a return and they like their big bodied players.  Plus we could pretty easily handle Gaborik's contract, which will price him out of the market for most other teams.  I think it's a real possibility, depending on whether Holland has the will to do so. 

 

If you added Gaborik and (in a dream world) Yandle to this team and we'd be lethal. 

 

yeah they would. bobrovski has been playing great too.. i knew he'd succeed as a starter but i'm impressed.

 

and i would absolutely love to see gabby in the winged wheel. he's a quality player and i think he'd definitely benefit from a change of scenery.  


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 02:54 PM

Yes I would at that point. Even if we just get Danny Deke.


Why? Dekeyser has yet to play a single game in the AHL. There is no guarantee that he will be a top pairing defenseman in the NHL.

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 03:35 PM

For better or for worse, Franzen's not going anywhere.


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Posted 23 March 2013 - 03:43 PM

For better or for worse, Franzen's not going anywhere.

 

I'm really not so sure about that.  His cap hit makes him mighty attractive to other teams.  The term of his contract is bad, but nobody realistically thinks he'll play until the end of it anyway.  The only thing stopping him from being moved is Holland's reluctance, which very well might be wearing thin.  Not because Franzen is a bad player, but because if you haven't had success after repeatedly doing the same thing, a lateral move might be necessary. 

 

I wouldn't move him just to move him, but I'd definitely move him for Gaborik if NY was interested. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 05:13 PM

I think it spells Torts is done if they don't make ANY noise this season. Decent playoff team that has been looked to be one of the contenders for alittle bit now. With the addition of Nash, they were the #1 pick to win it. They don't secure something this season... and I feel like it reflects greatly upon Torts and he's gone. Just too much firepower to work with and not get the results you wanted. 

 

They're looking to dish Gaborik away before the trade deadline, which will be interesting if they actually can get rid of his 7.5m/yr cap hit. And especially interesting to see what they can get in return for him.

 

Regardless of whether or not the Rangers make noise, Torts is guaranteed to do so. 



I can see a coach like Tortorella losing the players after a while. So a coaching change makes sense to me.

But the Rangers also seem to have real bad scoring depth. Nash has been great for them but I question their decision to become a more top-heavy team. Think they'd have more success building on depth like Boston.

 Losing Dubinsky and Anisimov is hurting them. They gave away a lot of depth to get Nash. 


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:20 AM

I think the lesson to learn from the New York Rangers is to not underestimate the value of good, hard-working role players.  Last year they were the Eastern Conference's top team, but after a big trade with Columbus, they might not make the playoffs at all.  A great "team" isn't the collection of talent, it's the sum of its parts.



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Posted 24 March 2013 - 05:10 AM

I think the lesson to learn from the New York Rangers is to not underestimate the value of good, hard-working role players.  Last year they were the Eastern Conference's top team, but after a big trade with Columbus, they might not make the playoffs at all.  A great "team" isn't the collection of talent, it's the sum of its parts.

 

They have gone from balanced scoring and hardwork to basically a one-line team, without a fitting system = receipe for disaster if Gaborik, Richards and Nash are having an off game changes are very high to beat them. Lundquist would have to be even more amazing than he already is every night without much defensive help..

 

I also think the Rangers could need some toughness on their roster, they did trade away too much good guys, losing Prust, Rupp (according to some Rangeersites a locker room favourite) and Scott has made them a bunch of countryclub players again.

 

To be honest I had them as the team to beat this off-season but right now it doesn't look like they'll make it out of the first round, if they even make the playoffs.


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Posted 24 March 2013 - 07:46 AM

They have gone from balanced scoring and hardwork to basically a one-line team, without a fitting system = receipe for disaster if Gaborik, Richards and Nash are having an off game changes are very high to beat them. Lundquist would have to be even more amazing than he already is every night without much defensive help..

 

I also think the Rangers could need some toughness on their roster, they did trade away too much good guys, losing Prust, Rupp (according to some Rangeersites a locker room favourite) and Scott has made them a bunch of countryclub players again.

 

To be honest I had them as the team to beat this off-season but right now it doesn't look like they'll make it out of the first round, if they even make the playoffs.

Yes.  Hate to say it but somewhat similar to what is going on with the Wings.  Our bottom 6 is not what it was during our glory years. Same thing happened to the Blackhawks after they won the Cup.  Had to shed too much quality depth and it really hurt them for a couple of years.  Now they are back because it took a couple of their young players some time to get to be NHL quality 3rd/4th liners.  If The Rangers are serious about trading Gaborik you would think they would want to add depth to help replace what was traded for Nash.



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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:59 AM

They have gone from balanced scoring and hardwork to basically a one-line team, without a fitting system = receipe for disaster if Gaborik, Richards and Nash are having an off game changes are very high to beat them. Lundquist would have to be even more amazing than he already is every night without much defensive help..

 

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Not really. Stepan, Hagelin, and Callahan are still contributing at a similar rate. Nash produces as much as Anisimov and Dubinsky did. The difference between last year and this is almost entirely from Richards and Gaborik. Losing Fedotenko, and Boyle not producing also hurts, but if Richards and Gaborik were producing better, they'd be a much better team.



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Posted 24 March 2013 - 12:55 PM

Tortorella is overrated by a coach.  

 

He's the newer version of Mike Keenan.  And honestly that's an insult to Keenan. 



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Posted 24 March 2013 - 04:32 PM

They have gone from balanced scoring and hardwork to basically a one-line team, without a fitting system = receipe for disaster if Gaborik, Richards and Nash are having an off game changes are very high to beat them. Lundquist would have to be even more amazing than he already is every night without much defensive help..

 

I also think the Rangers could need some toughness on their roster, they did trade away too much good guys, losing Prust, Rupp (according to some Rangeersites a locker room favourite) and Scott has made them a bunch of countryclub players again.

 

To be honest I had them as the team to beat this off-season but right now it doesn't look like they'll make it out of the first round, if they even make the playoffs.

It is no secret that Stu Bickel wasn't Torts' favorite player. From what I saw of Bickel, he played his role well. He didn't try to do too much, and he can play forward and defense. I don't get why he was constantly a healthy scratch. Shame that he got waived.

 

Also, Arron Asham was supposed to replace Brandon Prust, but he's been injured for most of the season.

 

I agree that they need to get a little more difficult to play against. I don't understand why they waived Bickel, a guy that does exactly that: Makes the Rangers a little harder to play against.

 

I think Torts could be in the hot seat. He's got a lot of talent to work with, but for some reason, things aren't going well.


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