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[frankgrimes]

Bouwmeester is a slightly better iteration of Quincey with a far higher cap hit. His primary assets are his skating and his durability. He is average on offense and not much above average on defense. He is certainly not worth the assets and the loss of cap space that his acquisition would require.

 

Bouwmeester locks big minutes, can give you a solid offensive punch and is a reliable shutdown guy, his cap hit may be a bit high but if the Blues are re-signing Pietrangelo, there aren't any good UFA defenseman available in the future.

[Crymson]

Bouwmeester locks big minutes, can give you a solid offensive punch and is a reliable shutdown guy, his cap hit may be a bit high but if the Blues are re-signing Pietrangelo, there aren't any good UFA defenseman available in the future.

 

Bouwmeester's best offensive performance with the Flames was last season. He scored 29 points and was a team-worst -21. He cannot by any means provide an "offensive punch" as you have put it, and he is probably not Ericsson's equal in a shutdown role. He is worth neither the assets Holland would need to spend on him nor his cap hit, which would comprise more than 10% of the team's cap for next season.

 

"He might be the only one available" is no good reason to make a disadvantageous trade. The team has a lot of good defensemen in the system right now, and this is not a time for the Wings to be trading away young talent or high draft picks.

[Euro_Twins]

Bouwmeester's best offensive performance with the Flames was last season. He scored 29 points and was a team-worst -21. He cannot by any means provide an "offensive punch" as you have put it, and he is probably not Ericsson's equal in a shutdown role. He is worth neither the assets Holland would need to spend on him nor his cap hit, which would comprise more than 10% of the team's cap for next season.

 

"He might be the only one available" is no good reason to make a disadvantageous trade. The team has a lot of good defensemen in the system right now, and this is not a time for the Wings to be trading away young talent or high draft picks.

 

05-06 5 goals, 46 points +1

06-07 12 goals, 42 points +23

07-08 15 goals, 37 points -5

08-09 17 goals 42 points -2

 

Obviously the flames is not a good fit for him, I think he could do very well in Detroit, but that cap hit is very unnattractive

[RyanBarnes!]

I'm all for Iginla and Bouwmeester if the price is right. They would both be tremendous additions to this team IMO.

[Crymson]

05-06 5 goals, 46 points +1

06-07 12 goals, 42 points +23

07-08 15 goals, 37 points -5

08-09 17 goals 42 points -2

 

Obviously the flames is not a good fit for him, I think he could do very well in Detroit, but that cap hit is very unnattractive

 

"The team is not a good fit for him" is an ineffective argument. Any defenseman who is supposedly elite should be able to put together at least one effective season out of three. The guy just isn't he player he once was.

 

And yep, his cap hit is awful.

[Euro_Twins]

"The team is not a good fit for him" is an ineffective argument. Any defenseman who is supposedly elite should be able to put together at least one effective season out of three. The guy just isn't he player he once was.

 

And yep, his cap hit is awful.

 

maybe, at least we can agree his cap hit is awful. Look at Ovie though, then tried to turn him into a 2 way forward and he just couldn't play thesame anymore, St. Louis started playing the trap last year, no one could score on them, but they didn't put up huge offensive numbers. I don't think JBo is elite, but he is very good, just in the wrong setting he doesn't put up the numbers he did in Florida. I bet he could replicate those numbers in the winged wheel.

[Crymson]

maybe, at least we can agree his cap hit is awful. Look at Ovie though, then tried to turn him into a 2 way forward and he just couldn't play thesame anymore, St. Louis started playing the trap last year, no one could score on them, but they didn't put up huge offensive numbers. I don't think JBo is elite, but he is very good, just in the wrong setting he doesn't put up the numbers he did in Florida. I bet he could replicate those numbers in the winged wheel.

 

He was -21 last season. That is inexcusable for a supposedly top-pairing defenseman. It would be unacceptable even if he was playing on the worst team in the league, and Calgary was by no means the worst team in the league.

 

He's just not all that great.

Edited by Crymson, 22 March 2013 - 01:29 PM.

[Euro_Twins]

He was -21 last season. That is inexcusable for a supposedly top-pairing defenseman. It would be unacceptable even if he was playing on the worst team in the league, and Calgary was by no means the worst team in the league.

 

He's just not all that great.

 

agree to disagree, +/- is not a great way of determing how good/bad a player is. Everyone knows that he had a bad year last year, but being in the midst of trade talks for 2 years cannot be easy either.

[Crymson]

agree to disagree, +/- is not a great way of determing how good/bad a player is. Everyone knows that he had a bad year last year, but being in the midst of trade talks for 2 years cannot be easy either.

 

One year, not two years. Whatever the case, he has dipped below first-pairing status. And with all the ice time he gets on the power play, he should really have more production.

[Euro_Twins]

One year, not two years. Whatever the case, he has dipped below first-pairing status. And with all the ice time he gets on the power play, he should really have more production.

 

Last year all I heard about JBo was trade rumours, this year + last year is two years that I am referring to

[DeGraa55]

I don't want jerome or bouwmeister.

The prospects and picks are better served on guys who can contribute long term.

[St. Michael (the Red Wing)]

Darren Dreger tweeted just now Bos, Pit, Chi and LA

 

teams on Iginla's list.

[Playmaker]

No interest.  I like Iginla as a player and it sounds like he's a quality person as well, but at 35, with no guarantees he'd sign long term? I don't think the Wings can be considered a Cup contender and it isn't like the Flames are just going to give him away.  The price will be sky high and I don't think it's worth it.

[frankgrimes]

Darren Dreger tweeted just now Bos, Pit, Chi and LA

 

teams on Iginla's list.

 

Iginla on Crosbys or Malkins Wing will be a deadly combination. Although a class act guy, I am glad the Wings aren't on his list because it wouldn't make sense from a Detroit Red Wings point of view, this team can not afford to give up any assets.

[DetroitRedWings1993]

Honestly, good to hear that we aren't on his list.  Now, there's no reason to waste prospects and picks on an aging star with no real expectation for him to re-sign.

 

Any even if he were to come here and re-sign, so what?  He's on the downslope of his career and is likely to far even further next season.  He was great one.  He just isn't anymore.  Anyone who expects him to be an elite player now is just insane.