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#41 achildr1

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:04 PM

Ericsson is logging more ice time than anyone not named Kronwall and is the #1 PK defenseman.  He's not the #4 guy.
 
I wasn't sure he'd earn his contract but the Wings are getting their money's worth out of him already.

And I never really understood why people think his potential was so high.  He's a converted defenseman taken dead last in the draft.  Great size.  Booming but slow slapshot.  Great first pass.  But he's mostly a stay at home guy, not some offensive juggernaut. Ericsson is already a win for the Wings.  Kindl is the one who is well below his potential.

He is a #4 guy...because we don't have #1 or #3 type guys. My ratings are on the type teams we've had or a Championship caliber team.

Kronwall #2
Ericsson #4 (if he plays like this)
Smith #5 (potential #2)
White, Colaiacovo, Quincey #5
Kindl #5 (right now)
Lashoff #6-7

For reference...
Lidstrom #1
Rafalski #2
Fischer, Schneider #3
Stuart, Markov #4

Edited by achildr1, 20 March 2013 - 09:09 PM.


#42 achildr1

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:13 PM

Players are often paid for their future potential... additionally, as mentioned, they are paid to keep them happy and to keep other teams from signing them.  
Our numbered values for players in dollar amounts are usually off... and better let up to professionals and cap-ologists.
That being said, I initially balked at his cap-hit, but have been confident with his improvement and hope he keeps it up.
 
 
 
So, everyone's watching games but we're all seeing different things... hmmm... when you've decided they're your whipping boy, how clearly are we watching the player and their game?
 
I don't think Ericsson has ever been slotted with potential higher than a #4 role and is is doing well enough to keep him in that role.
Either way, this fanboy* is glad to see you're willing to give him a chance as I think he'll be around for a while.


He was my whipping boy because I watched his game closely. Because I was blown away by the way people overhyped him, how many chances he got, and his current contract. If the guy would have just used his aize like he could of over the last few years I wouldn't have made such a big deal, but he just refused to. I'm very glad to see the guys thay were underperforming step up. Kindl has also turned it aroind in a big way and I'm glad for it. I hope they both keep it up.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:18 PM

He is a #4 guy...because we don't have #1 or #3 type guys. My ratings are on the type teams we've had or a Championship caliber team.

Kronwall #2
Ericsson #4 (if he plays like this)
Smith #5 (potential #2)
White, Colaiacovo, Quincey #5
Kindl #5 (right now)
Lashoff #6-7
 

So, what you're saying is that we still need a number one defenseman?  (I think most of us here are in agreement)


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 09:21 PM


So, what you're saying is that we still need a number one defenseman?  (I think most of us here are in agreement)


That wasn't even vaguely my point, but yea, I think we all know that. The bigger issue was just saying that even if Ericsson plays the #1 pk and he's our best defensive defenseman, he's still a #4 guy. We just have a very weak defensive core. You could argue Howard is the biggest key to our defense now; oir best defensive "cog".

Edited by achildr1, 20 March 2013 - 09:22 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 10:11 PM

That wasn't even vaguely my point, but yea, I think we all know that. The bigger issue was just saying that even if Ericsson plays the #1 pk and he's our best defensive defenseman, he's still a #4 guy. We just have a very weak defensive core. You could argue Howard is the biggest key to our defense now; oir best defensive "cog".

Average? LOL!!!! Yousaid he was bad end of last year? WTF are you talking about? Last 1/3 of last season he was the best Dman we had by far and away. Better than Nicky. When it comes to Ericsson, I will take Chelios's opinion over anyones. he thinks he is great! Go back and re-watch Chelis comments at Nicky's retirement party last summer.

Now is Ericsson a number 1? No. Is he a solid 2/3? yes. Is he worth 3.25 million per season? hell yes! If he was a UFA this year, he would get 5 million per yer. Next year he will get that amount or more.......



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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:17 PM

He is a #4 guy...because we don't have #1 or #3 type guys. My ratings are on the type teams we've had or a Championship caliber team.

Kronwall #2
Ericsson #4 (if he plays like this)
Smith #5 (potential #2)
White, Colaiacovo, Quincey #5
Kindl #5 (right now)
Lashoff #6-7

For reference...
Lidstrom #1
Rafalski #2
Fischer, Schneider #3
Stuart, Markov #4

So your determination of what constitutes a #4 versus a #1 guy isn't determined by what they do on the ice?

 

Your perception of what constitutes a #4 or a #2 guy also seems very attached to the Wings defensive pairings of the past.  And also seems based on a #1 defenseman that comes around well, really only a few times in the history of hockey.  Very few teams have a #1 guy of the caliber of Lidstrom.  Holland is very set in this model, replacing Scheider with Rafalski, then trying to replace Rafalski with White, but that's not the only way it has to be.

 

Willie Mitchell, for example, was the #2 guy in LA and he's not exactly a Brian Rafalski.  And that was a championship team.  Plus Scuderi, who by your system would probably be called a #4/5 guy was actually #3 on LA.  The "type" of player a defenseman is doesn't determine if they're a #2 versus a 4, 5, or 6 guy.



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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:45 PM

He was my whipping boy because I watched his game closely. Because I was blown away by the way people overhyped him, how many chances he got, and his current contract. If the guy would have just used his aize like he could of over the last few years I wouldn't have made such a big deal, but he just refused to. I'm very glad to see the guys thay were underperforming step up. Kindl has also turned it aroind in a big way and I'm glad for it. I hope they both keep it up.

 

He was my whipping boy for two seasons because he had tons of potential and numerous physical gifts and did not use any of it properly. This year he is playing physically and with intelligence, and boneheaded plays are few and far between.

 

Harold can corroborate that for a good while I detested Ericsson above any other player on the team.



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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:54 AM

No thanks, we don't need anymore washed up leaf garbage. Especially at that cap hit

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:57 AM

Komisarek is a prime example of how the grass isn't always greener on the other side of the fence.

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Instead of keeping his game simple like he had in Montreal - he tried to earn his bloated contract in Toronto, and combined with injuries his play has been awful.

 

That said he's been a good guy in keeping quiet about all of this...Maybe he needs to go to Florida, or someplace else to resurrect what may be left of his career.



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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:20 AM

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 11:27 AM

So your determination of what constitutes a #4 versus a #1 guy isn't determined by what they do on the ice?

 

Your perception of what constitutes a #4 or a #2 guy also seems very attached to the Wings defensive pairings of the past.  And also seems based on a #1 defenseman that comes around well, really only a few times in the history of hockey.  Very few teams have a #1 guy of the caliber of Lidstrom.  Holland is very set in this model, replacing Scheider with Rafalski, then trying to replace Rafalski with White, but that's not the only way it has to be.

 

Willie Mitchell, for example, was the #2 guy in LA and he's not exactly a Brian Rafalski.  And that was a championship team.  Plus Scuderi, who by your system would probably be called a #4/5 guy was actually #3 on LA.  The "type" of player a defenseman is doesn't determine if they're a #2 versus a 4, 5, or 6 guy.

 

"So your determination of what constitutes a #4 versus a #1 guy isn't determined by what they do on the ice?"

 

Give me a break man. I can't figure out how anyone could get that out of what i said. I have been passionately playing and watching this game for essentially my entire life. I have studied the game and the older I get the more I look at it from a more analytical scrutiny, less of a fan perspective and more of a game philosophy perspective. It's all about what they do on the ice. Actually Ericsson has been judged by others for his whole career by other factors such as potential or size. People wouldnt just come out and say that even though he's young, big, and been playing in the NHL for years that he was actually not performing up to argueably even having a starting 6 job in the NHL. He was given a contract based on potential, because he certainly didnt deserve it.

 

My main point is that just because Kronwall is our best offensive defenseman and Ericsson is our best defensive defenseman (for 30 whole games of his career mind you) that doesnt make either of them more than they are in the scope of the entire NHL. You are correct, I would say that Scuderi is a #5 and Mitchell is not a #2. Also, there are not 30, #1 defenseman in this league which may be part of the confusion. My definition of a #1 defenseman is more what you'd call a franchise defenseman or an "elite" player, the type of guy you build a team around. Keith, Weber, Chara, Karlsson (if he continues at this rate), Suter are these guys. Pietriangelo, Letang, Burns, and maybe a couple others could be considered #1 guys. Kronwall is on the bubble. If he steps up defensively and continues hitting he will be a legit #1. Byugflien, Cambell, Yandle, Seabrook, and Del Zotto are #2's and so on. If Ericsson continues being this good (which would prove to be one of the most remarkable turn arounds in recent memory) he could be a legit #3.

 

I guess i can see where this might not make sense to someone looking at guys and saying that there are 30 #1, 30 #2 and so on. I would be interested in looking at it that way, see what those lists look like. I dont like lumping the elite guys with secondary guys though, probably why i do it that way. To me a #1 guy is the Lidstrom, Pronger, Niedermayer...the guy you put out there and have complete confidance in when the game is on the line. Kronwall is not that guy. My nightmares are made of Ericsson being our most relied upon shutdown defender unless he really has become an altogether different player. 


Edited by achildr1, 21 March 2013 - 11:36 AM.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:23 PM

No I'd rather keep Cap Space he's put up some solid numbers this season.



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Posted 21 March 2013 - 04:35 PM

No I'd rather keep Cap Space he's put up some solid numbers this season.

 Cap Space has the same amount of points this season as Komisarek







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