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#241 chances14

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:11 PM

That is a ridiculous standard, and if you were to apply it to any other GM in the history of any sport you're not going to find even one you think is adequate.

 

In the span of a few seasons we lost Yzerman, Shanahan, Hull, Robitaille, Fischer, Larionov, Hasek, among others, plus maybe the best coach of all time. Chelios went from a Norris candidate to depth player, Draper and Maltby from invaluable role-players to guys filling out the roster. We'd lost in the first round, second round, and first round. We had a lot of good prospects and could afford to lose some. Plus we made the transition to the cap era.

 

Holland made some moves, some were decent, some not so much. We signed some cast-offs that no one else wanted, brought up some young guys, signed one big UFA. It worked and we won a Cup. It wasn't luck that we had a bunch of cheap guys. It's what you have to do in the cap era. Then we had to start paying guys and trying to fill the rest of the roster with bargains. Some of those guys were decent, some not so much.

 

It's just not reasonable to expect that we should have had a replacement for Lidstrom before he left. The only way to get that is to get lucky, either with a prospect or someone else's cast off. If you want someone already proven, you would have had to give up a lot to get them, and we couldn't have fit them under the cap. We would have had to make the team worse in previous years. Maybe in hindsight you can say they should have, because we haven't done much in the playoffs anyway, but really you all would have just been bitching about mismanagement back then.

 

Some people are completely backward in thinking that the biggest needs, the biggest losses, should be the easiest to fill. Fact is, those holes have the fewest available options and the least margin for error. That's why almost no one, in any sport, in any era in history, has much success filling them without a hitch.

 

Nothing Holland could have done would have been better than landing Suter and Parise (particularly since we wouldn't have had to give up anything), and he put us in position to make a strong play for both of them. Unfortunately, it didn't work out. But we're still in a good position to add more, and we still have a well stocked prospect pool. Maybe, probably even, things will get worse before they get better. That's the nature of the beast. We need stars and those almost always come through the draft. Once we have our next generation of stars, then will come the time to start making trades and looking for a good UFA or two to put us over the top. Hopefully at that time, some of the young prospects we have now will emerge to fill some roles at bargain prices.

 

Sure, we could make a move or two now and it might work out. Or not. Look at the Rangers, Philly, San Jose... Maybe Holland could have done better. But who actually has?

 

Pittsburgh? Cup winner, last three years lost in the 2nd, 1st, and 1st round. Found some nice fits at forwards, including one absolute steal of a trade, wrecked their defense. Looking good this year, maybe they'll go somewhere, maybe not. Their best players can't stay healthy, probably going to have cap troubles again in a couple years.

 

Chicago? Cup winner, sat watching the TV hoping for Dallas to lose to put them in the playoffs the following year. Two first round losses. Looking good this year... Likely cap trouble again next year.

 

Boston? Cup winner, lost in the first round last year. Looking good... maybe some cap trouble next year.

 

LA? Cup winner, had to fight down to the wire to make the playoffs, likely the same this year. About $15M to fill almost half their roster next year...

 

Anaheim? Doing great this year after plenty of struggles since their Cup win. Big commitments to their stars likely to create some cap issues down the road...

 

Anyone else...

 

Pretty much all that separates us from any of them is they have young stars while ours are aging. Most of them were irrelevent not long ago, and will likely end up back there before too long. Come back when their stars are aging and see how much better they do than Holland. I bet none of them do half so well.

 

What Holland has already done proves that he's a great GM. He's had some luck, and a great staff to work with, but he's still been great. No matter how successfully we make it through our current transition or the next.

the biggest issue i have with the holland critics is that most of them completely gloss over the good moves holland has made and only focus on the bad ones, in particular the hossa and franzen situation.

 

Holland never gets credit for giving osgood another chance after the lockout when everyone said he was washed up

he never gets credit for signing datsyuk long term right after the lockout ended. this board was calling for holland's head after that one. datsyuk is now arguably the league's best player.

he never gets credit for trading for brad stuart during the cup winning season. he turned out to be our number 2 dman for 3 years after that

he never gets credit for going out and getting rafalski the day after Schneider left back in the summer of 07

 

these are all moves that directly helped the wings win a cup but i never see any of the holland critics ever give him credit for these moves.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:16 PM

the biggest issue i have with the holland critics is that most of them completely gloss over the good moves holland has made and only focus on the bad ones, in particular the hossa and franzen situation.

 

Holland never gets credit for giving osgood another chance after the lockout when everyone said he was washed up

he never gets credit for signing datsyuk long term right after the lockout ended. this board was calling for holland's head after that one. datsyuk is now arguably the league's best player.

he never gets credit for trading for brad stuart during the cup winning season. he turned out to be our number 2 dman for 3 years after that

he never gets credit for going out and getting rafalski the day after Schneider left back in the summer of 07

 

these are all moves that directly helped the wings win a cup but i never see any of the holland critics ever give him credit for these moves

 

These were all moves while Scotty was right there beside Kenny. Come on, it is weird, isn't it? 



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:26 PM

These were all moves while Scotty was right there beside Kenny. Come on, it is weird, isn't it? 

perfect example of what i'm talking about.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:34 PM

the biggest issue i have with the holland critics is that most of them completely gloss over the good moves holland has made and only focus on the bad ones, in particular the hossa and franzen situation.

 

Holland never gets credit for giving osgood another chance after the lockout when everyone said he was washed up

he never gets credit for signing datsyuk long term right after the lockout ended. this board was calling for holland's head after that one. datsyuk is now arguably the league's best player.

he never gets credit for trading for brad stuart during the cup winning season. he turned out to be our number 2 dman for 3 years after that

he never gets credit for going out and getting rafalski the day after Schneider left back in the summer of 07

 

these are all moves that directly helped the wings win a cup but i never see any of the holland critics ever give him credit for these moves.

Stuart was never our #2



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:38 PM

Stuart was never our #2

matter of opinion, but he was definitely one of our most valuable dman when rafalski's play started to deteriorate.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:39 PM

If he were to sign here, would he even play with Datsyuk? by the time he gets up here, Dats will be a year or two away from retirement (say it ain't so!) but he is closer to the end of the road than the beginning. How can you even use that as an incentive? Whereas a young team like Pittsburgh will have all of those same players when he comes up. We don't have young superstars like that.

I assume youre talking about Dekeyser. Its been mentioned here that the rumours are that he has been promised an NHL job right away.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:45 PM

These were all moves while Scotty was right there beside Kenny. Come on, it is weird, isn't it? 

 

Bowman was a terrible GM, he is the best coach in the history of the game but one of the worst GM's ever.

 

He actually attempted to trade Yzerman for Yashin but thankfully Holland and Co. killed that.

 

Besides Scotty was kept on as an adviser to the coach, he had no say on the general managing of the team.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:48 PM

Yeah, the Yzerman thing....ugh....okay, I cannot argue with that. 

 

Bowman was a terrible GM, he is the best coach in the history of the game but one of the worst GM's ever.

 

He actually attempted to trade Yzerman for Yashin but thankfully Holland and Co. killed that.

 

Besides Scotty was kept on as an adviser to the coach, he had no say on the general managing of the team.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 12:54 PM

Exactly the reason, why some people (like me) would love to see this team being sellers at the tradedeadline.

 The good thing about selling guys as well is the teams buying want roster players to add depth, and while not all of us like the guys and see their value, guys like White, Quincey, Cleary etc could fit in with other teams plans.  If it were up to me, my trading block would include:  Franzen, Filppula, Cleary, Eaves, Emmerton, White, Quincey, Samuelsson, Huskins, Coliacovo and Mursak and I'd accept draft picks.  Stock pile the picks and hope for the best, cause our trading partners still aren't lining up by the looks of it.


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#250 dropkickshanahans

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

Proabably has to do with the fact that not all 30 teams were interested as much in those other players that have signed.

 

Or it could be this is the only person this board is focused on after being hyped for months by LeftWinger.

 

I also find it funny that it's now considered a circus act to take a couple days to think about where you want to play.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 01:09 PM

   cause our trading partners still aren't lining up by the looks of it.


This is what a lot of fans are understating.
Wings have been hated and envied for 25 years because their success....ONLY team to pull off this type of success and imo, no GM is in a hurry to help them back to top of the mountain for another 20 years.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:25 PM

According to Dekeyser's agent, a decision is likely tonight, at the latest tomorrow.  If (hopefully when) the Wings sign him, I think this will open up the flood doors in the trade department as it will put more of our defensemen in play.  Going to be an interesting couple of days starting real soon. 


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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:45 PM

According to @nugegood (Tommy Stites) "Danny DeKeyser will sign with the Detroit #RedWings tonight around 7:30. This is from a WMU source"

 

Sounding more and more likely that he will sign with us.


be about it!

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:49 PM

According to @nugegood (Tommy Stites) "Danny DeKeyser will sign with the Detroit #RedWings tonight around 7:30. This is from a WMU source"
 
Sounding more and more likely that he will sign with us.

Please tell me this is true!

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:50 PM

According to @nugegood (Tommy Stites) "Danny DeKeyser will sign with the Detroit #RedWings tonight around 7:30. This is from a WMU source"

 

Sounding more and more likely that he will sign with us.

Aww yiss.




 
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:56 PM

According to @nugegood (Tommy Stites) "Danny DeKeyser will sign with the Detroit #RedWings tonight around 7:30. This is from a WMU source"

 

Sounding more and more likely that he will sign with us.

Need I remind you of Aaron Ward tweeting that Iginla to Boston was done?


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 02:58 PM

Need I remind you of Aaron Ward tweeting that Iginla to Boston was done?

No where did I say this was done. Not even close. This is just a post I found. Thats it.


be about it!

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:00 PM

Need I remind you of Aaron Ward tweeting that Iginla to Boston was done?

Says the realist.

 

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:01 PM

According to @nugegood (Tommy Stites) "Danny DeKeyser will sign with the Detroit #RedWings tonight around 7:30. This is from a WMU source"

 

Sounding more and more likely that he will sign with us.

 

I'll be at work, with my phone out hitting refresh all night lol



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:01 PM

I just want this to be done!


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