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#201 haroldsnepsts

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Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:47 PM

You're telling me it's not a punk move to let management get so far into a deal that it's announced without telling them that's not where he wanted to go?

Agreed.

 

There was a disconnect somewhere and it seems like it was from Iginla. Either Calgary knowingly misrepresented Iginla's wishes or he changed his mind or something.  But it's bad form out of Calgary for sure.   Boston thought they had a deal, not just for minutes but for at least half a day.



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Posted 29 March 2013 - 11:52 PM

Agreed.

 

There was a disconnect somewhere and it seems like it was from Iginla. Either Calgary knowingly misrepresented Iginla's wishes or he changed his mind or something.  But it's bad form out of Calgary for sure.   Boston thought they had a deal, not just for minutes but for at least half a day.

 

Right, it's probably been mentioned already, but I heard on TSN 1050 that Iginla at the last minute declined the Boston trade and said he wanted to go to Pittsburgh (despite Boston being on his "list").


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:03 AM

Exactly. Chiarelli even said they had an agreement to scratch players in preparation for the trade. Iginla was lying from the start - there was never a list of four teams he would go to contingent on his NTC. There was only one. Boston had the better offer and he vetoed it to the detriment of the Calgary Flames.

I'm sorry, but this is just such a ridiculous statement.  Iginla was "lying"?  How would Iginla know when he submit his list of teams whether or not Pittsburgh would be interested?  He may have been more interested in Pittsburgh than Boston (obviously), but he doesn't know if that's mutual so he's going to submit more than one team.  The fact of the matter is that he had a No Move Clause in his contract which means he got the final say in where he goes.  It wasn't a limited trade clause, in which he either submits teams that he will accept a trade to or not accept a trade to point-blank.  He had control and he exercised it to give himself what he felt was his best opportunity.  The fact that inaccurate information was reported is not his fault.  It's insane that he's being pinned up as some kind of a jackass in this.  This happens all the time, it's just not usually reported as "confirmed" trades before a player nixes it.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:13 AM

You're telling me it's not a punk move to let management get so far into a deal that it's announced without telling them that's not where he wanted to go?

Guess that's what happens when the list of teams you want to go to magically goes from 4 to 1 cause this one time in the Olympics, Iginla passed Crosby the puck and then it went in the net...  I can no longer be a fan of Iginla either way now that he's a Penguin.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:31 AM

Guess that's what happens when the list of teams you want to go to magically goes from 4 to 1 cause this one time in the Olympics, Iginla passed Crosby the puck and then it went in the net...  I can no longer be a fan of Iginla either way now that he's a Penguin.

 

"Magically"?  If I were to submit a list right now of my top four dreams jobs in film, I might list some production companies that invest billions of dollars into projects.  The chances of them taking me aren't great, but I think a place like 20th Century Fox is a place I'd want to go.  I also include Filmways, Columbia Pictures, and Warner Independent Pictures.  All of these places would be great landing spots for me.  I hear that 20th Century Fox wants me to work for them; suddenly, I'm really excited about an opportunity that's apparently mutual.  There's nothing really "magical" about it.  Why is it such a difficult concept to grasp that submitting teams that you're interested in doesn't mean that a NMC-player is bound to that list?


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:37 AM

"Magically"?  If I were to submit a list right now of my top four dreams jobs in film, I might list some production companies that invest billions of dollars into projects.  The chances of them taking me aren't great, but I think a place like 20th Century Fox is a place I'd want to go.  I also include Filmways, Columbia Pictures, and Warner Independent Pictures.  All of these places would be great landing spots for me.  I hear that 20th Century Fox wants me to work for them; suddenly, I'm really excited about an opportunity that's apparently mutual.  There's nothing really "magical" about it.  Why is it such a difficult concept to grasp that submitting teams that you're interested in doesn't mean that a NMC-player is bound to that list?

Cause a deal was apparently being wrapped up between the Flames and Bruins and then Iginla walks back in the office and says, naw, I only want the Pens now.  Did you miss the part where everyone and their dog went to bed thinking Iginla was going to Boston and we all woke up to find that he was traded to Pittsburgh?  I have no problem grasping concepts at all.  


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 01:19 AM

What Iginla did was not good for the Flames organization. If I were him, I'd have cared about the Flames getting a decent return package. In the event, they got absolutely robbed.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:34 AM

What Iginla did was not good for the Flames organization. If I were him, I'd have cared about the Flames getting a decent return package. In the event, they got absolutely robbed.

Was thinking the same thing.  But business is business, I suppose.  He went were he believes he has the best chance to win it...I am curious what the Flames could've gotten from the B's had he picked them.




 
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:12 AM

http://www.post-gaze...-iginla-681335/

 

This article talks a little bit about the timeline in Pittsburgh that day. Feaster apparently had given the Bruins the impression that they had a deal, but Pittsburgh was still very much in play and still negotiating with the Flames and waiting to hear back from them. At some point, Chiarelli requested permission to speak to Iginla to pitch for the Bruins, but Feaster declined and told Chiarelli they wanted to give Iginla space.

 

I'm not sure why the gun would be jumped by the GMs here (scratching players, thus stirring up the media) when the negotiation process amongst all three clubs involved was still ongoing, and most of all it's a player with an NTC and they have the final say. And with the media reporting early and erroneously on this, it got a lot uglier than it needed to be.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:40 PM

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 12:47 PM

Cause a deal was apparently being wrapped up between the Flames and Bruins and then Iginla walks back in the office and says, naw, I only want the Pens now.  Did you miss the part where everyone and their dog went to bed thinking Iginla was going to Boston and we all woke up to find that he was traded to Pittsburgh?  I have no problem grasping concepts at all.  

 

Why did everybody and their dog go to bed thinking Iginla was going to Boston?  Because inaccurate information that the deal was confirmed were leaked by the media.  Players with No-Movement Clauses in their contract do this all the time, but it doesn't get erroneously reported in the news.  Blame the media.  



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

Why did everybody and their dog go to bed thinking Iginla was going to Boston?  Because inaccurate information that the deal was confirmed were leaked by the media.  Players with No-Movement Clauses in their contract do this all the time, but it doesn't get erroneously reported in the news.  Blame the media.  

It's beyond the media just trying to one up one another and reporting something unconfirmed.

 

For half the day the Bruins GM thought he had a deal too.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 01:08 PM

He also acknowledged in his press conference that this thing happens all the time.  As fans, the only reason we are reacting is because of that leaked report.  I think it's pretty crummy that Iginla's reputation is being dragged through the mud because he exercised his contractual right to veto a trade and choose his landing spot.  Then again, I've always been a fan of Iggy.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 01:46 PM

I'm sorry, but this is just such a ridiculous statement.  Iginla was "lying"?  How would Iginla know when he submit his list of teams whether or not Pittsburgh would be interested?  He may have been more interested in Pittsburgh than Boston (obviously), but he doesn't know if that's mutual so he's going to submit more than one team.  The fact of the matter is that he had a No Move Clause in his contract which means he got the final say in where he goes.  It wasn't a limited trade clause, in which he either submits teams that he will accept a trade to or not accept a trade to point-blank.  He had control and he exercised it to give himself what he felt was his best opportunity.  The fact that inaccurate information was reported is not his fault.  It's insane that he's being pinned up as some kind of a jackass in this.  This happens all the time, it's just not usually reported as "confirmed" trades before a player nixes it.

 

Ok, Iginla provided a list of three "cup contenders" he would be willing to go to. Now it is the day the deal is happening, they are finalizing the last few details and a contract is ready to be signed. Iginla walks into the office and says, hey screw it, I would rather play for Pittsburgh than Boston, so nix the the deal, and rob yourself of a decent deal by taking Pittsburghs offer. Bostons GM even said he thought the deal was done, Shero was positive he lost out on Iginla, but Iginla went and screwed over the team that gave him so much over the years.

 

Think about it, if you were at your parents house for dinner, and your mom asks you what you want for dessert, and you say, cake, ice cream, or pie would be fine. When she brings outice cream, are you going to throw it on the floor saying you wanted pie, and leave her with a mess to clean up?


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 01:52 PM

Ok, Iginla provided a list of three "cup contenders" he would be willing to go to. Now it is the day the deal is happening, they are finalizing the last few details and a contract is ready to be signed. Iginla walks into the office and says, hey screw it, I would rather play for Pittsburgh than Boston, so nix the the deal, and rob yourself of a decent deal by taking Pittsburghs offer. Bostons GM even said he thought the deal was done, Shero was positive he lost out on Iginla, but Iginla went and screwed over the team that gave him so much over the years.

 

Think about it, if you were at your parents house for dinner, and your mom asks you what you want for dessert, and you say, cake, ice cream, or pie would be fine. When she brings outice cream, are you going to throw it on the floor saying you wanted pie, and leave her with a mess to clean up?

Like anything else, I guess we don't know what actually went down, but seems hard to defend Iginla in this case.  If he did indeed agree beforehand to a trade to the 4 teams and the Flames struck a deal with one of his pre-approved choices only for him to say later, oh nevermind, I'll only go to Pittsburgh?  Kind of a doosh move.  It isn't like the Flames tried to trade him to the Islanders or Florida.  They honored his wishes and for him to do that to the fans and management of the Flames?  Not the quality guy he made himself out to be.



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 10:54 AM

What Iginla did was not good for the Flames organization. If I were him, I'd have cared about the Flames getting a decent return package. In the event, they got absolutely robbed.

 

EXACTLY. Boston had the clearly better deal on the table. If Iginla truly cared about the Flames improving through this deal as he so claims, he would have signed with Boston. Instead, he screws the Flames, burns a bridge between Chiarelli and Feaster, all to play on a team that'll probably be ousted in the 1st round of the postseason again.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 10:57 AM

The Iginla story is 100 % the reason, why I never trust sources till its official. Flames had to ask Iginla, he used is right and said no I want to play with Pittsburgh for me personally it didn't change one bit of my mind about him, he is a class act on and off the ice and deserves his name on a cup.

 

Jay Feaster should know the rules regarding NMC/NTC contracts, don't confirm anything before speaking to the player and getting his ok, can't be that hard to do?


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 11:02 AM

The Iginla story is 100 % the reason, why I never trust sources till its official. Flames had to ask Iginla, he used is right and said no I want to play with Pittsburgh for me personally it didn't change one bit of my mind about him, he is a class act on and off the ice and deserves his name on a cup.

 

Jay Feaster should know the rules regarding NMC/NTC contracts, don't confirm anything before speaking to the player and getting his ok, can't be that hard to do?

Honestly of two minds about Iginla.  I'd want him on the Wings and believe he's a class act off the ice but I wouldn't really call him one on it. 

 

The guy has a ton of heart and is a great player, but more than once when Calgary is losing I've watched him skate around cheapshotting Wings players trying to engage them in a fight.  And it's usually top end guys who dont' fight.  

 

When someone chases Mattheiu Schneider the length of the rink towards the end of the game, repeatedly crosschecking him in the back wanting to fight him, I have a hard time calling that player a class act. 



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 11:07 AM

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cuz hes a good man! where is the game day post?

Honestly of two minds about Iginla.  I'd want him on the Wings and believe he's a class act off the ice but I wouldn't really call him one on it. 
 
The guy has a ton of heart and is a great player, but more than once when Calgary is losing I've watched him skate around cheapshotting Wings players trying to engage them in a fight.  And it's usually top end guys who dont' fight.  
 
When someone chases Mattheiu Schneider the length of the rink towards the end of the game, repeatedly crosschecking him in the back wanting to fight him, I have a hard time calling that player a class act.

this is true....but he carys him self well

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 11:09 AM

^ +10 harold.

 

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