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#181 Crymson

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:25 PM

Bouwmeester lacks enthusiasm, yet he has played in over 600 consecutive games in the NHL. He has flaws, but that argument is baseless. Lack of emotion doesn't mean a player has no desire. Again, Bouwmeester has always been a reserved figure on/off the ice. 

 

He lacks enthusiasm on the ice, a trait for which people on this forum habitually lambast Franzen. His on-ice level of enthusiasm has absolutely no bearing on how many consecutive games he has played. And no, the argument is not baseless. He plays with neither maximum effort nor maximum heart.


Crym.  I'm not saying it's the best idea... and yes, it will cost assets -- you and I both know that it's the price that's paid to bring in a guy like JBouw (or Yandle, for those that would prefer him) ...but those saying that to bring JBouw will cripple the team from having the room for another top-six forward are not correct.   It's just like where I stood for bringing in Iginla.  It will cost too much in FUTURE ASSETS than cap space.

 

Yes, assets need to be paid for a player like Bouwmeester. But with the team where it is---rebuilding on the fly via the farm---I do not consider him a worthwhile use of assets.


In conjuction with speed and intelligence? yes.

 

Speed, yes. Intelligence? He's not that far above average, else he would not have such pedestrian offensive numbers and such a horrible +/-.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:33 PM

People often point to Bouwmeester's +/- or goals against and say that +/- doesn't matter and/or that he plays on a crappy team. To this, I say first that with the exception of this season, Bouwmeester's Calgary teams have been simply below average rather than terrible. Calgary missed the playoffs by five points in 2010, three points in 2011, and five points in 2012. He was not playing on horrific teams. Second, there are plenty of defensemen who play on below-average or terrible teams and still manage to pull out a respectable +/- rating. Bouwmeester does not fall into this category.

 

Whatever the case may be, his lack of offensive production, his average work in the defensive zone, and his lack of physicality all combine to make him not at all a game-changing defenseman. Steady, perhaps, though his stats suggest otherwise.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:38 PM

He lacks enthusiasm on the ice, a trait for which people on this forum habitually lambast Franzen. His on-ice level of enthusiasm has absolutely no bearing on how many consecutive games he has played. And no, the argument is not baseless. He plays with neither maximum effort nor maximum heart.

 
Yes, assets need to be paid for a player like Bouwmeester. But with the team where it is---rebuilding on the fly via the farm---I do not consider him a worthwhile use of assets.

 
It is baseless. Your claims of Bouwmeester's supposed lack of heart just stems from your dislike of him. Bouwmeester plays a different style that enables him to attain that consecutive games streak. That doesn't mean he isn't engaged -- it would be tough to hide an effortless player for 25 minutes every game, so he is clearly doing something well to earn that ice time. 
 
Franzen's own coach has called out his wavering intensity. It isn't just some wild assertion by a few people here.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:49 PM

at this point to get jbo, I think calgary would DEMAND Dekeyser, so no thanks



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:53 PM

at this point to get jbo, I think calgary would DEMAND Dekeyser, so no thanks

 

Is this even worth mentioning?  It's certainly a dealbreaker for almost ANY MOVE... and certainly for any Calgary player.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:55 PM

 
It is baseless. Your claims of Bouwmeester's supposed lack of heart just stems from your dislike of him. Bouwmeester plays a different style that enables him to attain that consecutive games streak. That doesn't mean he isn't engaged -- it would be tough to hide an effortless player for 25 minutes every game, so he is clearly doing something well to earn that ice time. 
 
Franzen's own coach has called out his wavering intensity. It isn't just some wild assertion by a few people here.

 

Where do you get the idea that I dislike him? My opposition to his acquisition stems purely from the fact that I do not believe he is worth the asking price..



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:29 PM

He plays for the Flames I'd be unenthusiastic too!!!! Calgary will have to eat some of that salary for any deal to get done. Assume that they eat 2million he's totally worth it.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:43 PM

He plays for the Flames I'd be unenthusiastic too!!!! Calgary will have to eat some of that salary for any deal to get done. Assume that they eat 2million he's totally worth it.

 

Here's the thing though: They can eat some of his salary but that doesn't impact the cap hit even one cent.  I'm sure Mr. I's pockets are deep enough that the difference between $6.6m vs. $4.6m in actual salary cost means very little.  It's the $6.68m cap hit that's at issue here.  



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:54 PM

 
Here's the thing though: They can eat some of his salary but that doesn't impact the cap hit even one cent.  I'm sure Mr. I's pockets are deep enough that the difference between $6.6m vs. $4.6m in actual salary cost means very little.  It's the $6.68m cap hit that's at issue here.  


I just read in hf boards that someone would expect to get Sproul and Sheahan in this deal. They might not be incorrect. The more I think about it the more I don't want JBouw. He would be a decent upgrade, but maybe Dekeyser will be just as large. It's a tough call either way. Good luck Mr. Holland!
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 12:09 AM

Here's the thing though: They can eat some of his salary but that doesn't impact the cap hit even one cent.  I'm sure Mr. I's pockets are deep enough that the difference between $6.6m vs. $4.6m in actual salary cost means very little.  It's the $6.68m cap hit that's at issue here.  

 

According to what I've read, the cap hit is in fact retained along with the salary.



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 12:58 AM

Here's the thing though: They can eat some of his salary but that doesn't impact the cap hit even one cent.  I'm sure Mr. I's pockets are deep enough that the difference between $6.6m vs. $4.6m in actual salary cost means very little.  It's the $6.68m cap hit that's at issue here.  

 

Portions of a players cap hit can be retained in trade. Take a look at Toronto's Cap situation. They traded Matt Lombardi to the Coyotes.at the beginning of the season and retained 1.5 million of his 3.5 million salary, If you check Phoenix's cap situation you'll see they are only paying 2 Million of the salary.

 

The problem though is that if Calgary keeps a portion of Jbo's salary they are going to want even more back in return.



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 01:18 AM

He plays for the Flames I'd be unenthusiastic too!!!! Calgary will have to eat some of that salary for any deal to get done. Assume that they eat 2million he's totally worth it.

 

If a player doesn't play with enthusiasm with whatever team he's on, I don't want him. These guys are paid millions to do their jobs.

 

Here's the thing though: They can eat some of his salary but that doesn't impact the cap hit even one cent.  I'm sure Mr. I's pockets are deep enough that the difference between $6.6m vs. $4.6m in actual salary cost means very little.  It's the $6.68m cap hit that's at issue here.  

 

Teams can a player's share cap hit under the new CBA, but only up to 50%.


Edited by Crymson, 31 March 2013 - 01:18 AM.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 02:33 AM

If a player doesn't play with enthusiasm with whatever team he's on, I don't want him. These guys are paid millions to do their jobs.

 

 

Teams can a player's share cap hit under the new CBA, but only up to 50%.

 

this ^ but I don't know Calgary wants to get rid of him so bad they would eat some of the cap hit, then they are shooting themselves in the foot. Otherwise our deal would have to be too good to refuse, but I don't want that, cause that means we give something up I don't think we can afford to give up.



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:06 AM

I just read in hf boards that someone would expect to get Sproul and Sheahan in this deal. They might not be incorrect. The more I think about it the more I don't want JBouw. He would be a decent upgrade, but maybe Dekeyser will be just as large. It's a tough call either way. Good luck Mr. Holland!

 

f*** that.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 05:09 AM

j bou would do well here.... just the cap hit and his gm being retareded makes me think probability of odds thats calgary gm would make one beneficial trade in his career



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 08:37 AM

Per Helen St James:

@HeleneStJames: Helene St. James: Red Wings 'not doing any rentals' at NHL trade deadline http://t.co/M5jpIMW38V via @freep

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 10:22 AM

Per Helen St James:

@HeleneStJames: Helene St. James: Red Wings 'not doing any rentals' at NHL trade deadline http://t.co/M5jpIMW38V via @freep


That doesn't say anything about Bouwmeester, because he's not a rental
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 10:55 AM

That doesn't say anything about Bouwmeester, because he's not a rental

 

That doesn't say anything about Bouwmeester, because he's not a rental

 

Could decision buying rentals only makes sense if you are contender, which the Wings aren't but Jay Bouwmeester is not a rental.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 12:20 PM

Neither is Gaborik, here's hoping. 


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:23 PM

 For the love of god Jay Bo is not has bad as most of you guys have him out to be. He would thrive on our team, most of you would be suprised. He would be a soild top 4 defensman and would help this team HUGE come playoffs.  For me the question is why give up so much youth for another d man. We are already loaded on defense prospects and we just landed DeKeyser. You guys can stop worrying tho because there is no way Holand will add Jay Bo.  In his mind It just doesnt make sense for the price. I would differ from that and go ahead and make a trade.

 

I would like holland to add a scorer like Cammy or Loui Eriksson ( or anyone good) as are offense needs a huge boost. Everyone is talking about are defense needing an upgrade because of the lidstrom and stuart departure but IMO we need offense for obvious reasons.  

 

 In reality I dont think we will make a move beause of the "prices" which is kinda stupid because we have expenable prospects. in my mind we will see another early playoff exit because "we need a scorer"   O and btw we will not be getting Yandle so everyone should forget about that. I gurantee it



 
It is baseless. Your claims of Bouwmeester's supposed lack of heart just stems from your dislike of him. Bouwmeester plays a different style that enables him to attain that consecutive games streak. That doesn't mean he isn't engaged -- it would be tough to hide an effortless player for 25 minutes every game, so he is clearly doing something well to earn that ice time. 
 
Franzen's own coach has called out his wavering intensity. It isn't just some wild assertion by a few people here.

this is why Bouwmeester would fit in well here. he doesnt play a grind game and we wouldnt want him to. He would be a soild skating offesive puck moving d man


Edited by mjtm77, 31 March 2013 - 04:20 PM.

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