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#61 darkmanx

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:26 PM

Well, we'll start with these...

 

http://www.sportsnet...ation-heats-up/

 

http://www.thefourth.../chi130328.html

 

http://www.mlive.com...estions_10.html

 

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#62 marcaractac

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:29 PM

Well, we'll start with these...

 

http://www.sportsnet...ation-heats-up/

 

http://www.thefourth.../chi130328.html

 

http://www.mlive.com...estions_10.html

 

All i get form those links is that we'd have to send equal salary/roster players back their way. J-Bo can be had for picks and prospects.

 

Not to mention the 3rd link is from 6 games into the season and says the price for yandle would be too high.


Edited by marcaractac, 28 March 2013 - 07:30 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:32 PM

Quincey had one year of playing 23 or minutes

 

Bouwmeester has 9 years, and 8 of playing 25 or more. I just think Bouwmeester can reach a higher level playing for a team that can actually make the playoffs. I can't think of many players that can bring their A game every night for a team that doesn't have a chance.

 

I feel the risk for Bouwmeester isn't high, the very least we get a guy that can play 23 minutes and save Kronwall some penalty kill time. The potential is we get a 6'4 defenseman, that can skate like the wind, and fillls an important spot on this team that can allow Kindl, Smith and Lashoff to grow into their roles while not having to do too much.

 

Yandle to me is a rover type guy, I don't not like him. I just don't think his offense will solve enough of this team's issues. We give up entirely way too many odd man rushes and high percentage scoring chances. And that's because we have too many risk takers on the back end. White, Smith, and Kronwall pinch entirely too often. And Yandle would most likely join that club quickly. While Bouwmeesters range can alleviate that problem for one of those guys.

 

I think that we can all agree that Yandle plays on a low scoring team.  We can also all agree that if he were making bad pinches all the time they'd be getting scored on.  From those two premises I can draw two conclusions.  1)  Yandle is less likely to pinch on a team that isn't desperate for offense.  2)  Given that his team doesn't score much, if he were getting caught pinching a lot, and it led to goals against, he'd be a negative player. 

 

He isn't. 

 

Bouwmeester is though.



All i get form those links is that we'd have to send equal salary/roster players back their way. J-Bo can be had for picks and prospects.

 

Not to mention the 3rd link is from 6 games into the season and says the price for yandle would be too high.

 

Of course you'd get Bouwmeester for less, he's not a young, or as good, and he's on a worse contract, and Yandle is under that reasonable contract for three more years.  What does that prove? 

 

All he asked me for were the sources, not to extoll the virtues of each hypothetical deal. 


Edited by kipwinger, 28 March 2013 - 07:33 PM.

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Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:39 PM

He is a whole 3 years older. And to say he is not as good is opinion. Big contract? sure. But it is one full season. One of 3 things would happen. He would either step up his game enough to earn that salary (win for the wings). Resign for a lower cap hit next time around (win for the wings). Or decide to go elsewhere. (lose for the wings, but not the end of the world). We wouldnt have to give up the farm to get him. With Yandle you could say good bye to roster players, and not our dead weight either.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:39 PM

Like two people on the entire Calgary team is a +. They have the 3rd worst goals for/goals against in the league at -19

 

Phoenix isn't much better, but they still are with -9.

 

I just think Bouwmeester doesn't have much help around him. Yandle was at least on a playoff team.

 

They are both really good, I'm just in favor of defense, over offense. I just don't think Yandle is the right fit, it's like adding Byfuglien to play with Mike Green. I'd rather have a Seabrook/Keith top defense.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:41 PM

An plug that plays 25 mintues a night...

Bouwmeester is not a plug. He may not be elite, or even very good. But he is a top pairing guy in this league, and he's never been on a good team.

 

It depends on the price for me.

Bouwmeester was traded to a team that was in the playoffs for 5 years straight. They have missed every season he's been anchoring their defence.

 

Neither Yandle or Bouwmeester is what the Wings need, they are both like adding another Kronwall.

 

If the Wings want to add a defenceman they should be looking at right handed shutdown defenceman who will allow Kronwall and Smith to open up offensively. 

 

If not that they should look to either unload some added bottom 6 depth as a seller in a sellers market or look to jettison some of that extra depth with some picks for a top 6 forward

 

Thats my opinion



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:41 PM

Dear god, I wouldn't give them anything. Especially what they handed Iginla over to Pitt for.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:44 PM

Bouwmeester was traded to a team that was in the playoffs for 5 years straight. They have missed every season he's been anchoring their defence.

 

Neither Yandle or Bouwmeester is what the Wings need, they are both like adding another Kronwall.

 

If the Wings want to add a defenceman they should be looking at right handed shutdown defenceman who will allow Kronwall and Smith to open up offensively. 

 

If not that they should look to either unload some added bottom 6 depth as a seller in a sellers market or look to jettison some of that extra depth with some picks for a top 6 forward

 

Thats my opinion

 

I can definitely respect that opinion. I do think that Calgarys drop out of the playoff picture has more to do with their aging core at the time, however. Even though they were making the playoffs before j-bo, they were on the decline. They relied on Iggy and Kipper for a few years too long I think. And they had no kids to bring up what so ever.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:45 PM

Dear god, I wouldn't give them anything. Especially what they handed Iginla over to Pitt for.

 

A first round pick and Tvrdon, and Aubry? I'd do it. They didn't hand over any of their top prospects.

 

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:51 PM

An plug that plays 25 mintues a night...

Bouwmeester is not a plug. He may not be elite, or even very good. But he is a top pairing guy in this league, and he's never been on a good team.

 

It depends on the price for me.

The price is 6.8, about 3.4 too much



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:55 PM

The price is 6.8, about 3.4 too much

 

18 million in cap space, we should be fine, should have no problem keeping Brunner, our RFAs, Howard and getting Horton.

 

The price he is speaking of is the players/prospects/pick that would be headed to Calgary not salary cap hit.

 

This too.

 

I wouldn't touch Mrazek, unless we kept the first round pick.


Edited by Carman, 28 March 2013 - 07:57 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:55 PM

I don't think the connection between Bouwmeester and his teams missing the playoffs is really fair at all. He has played for Florida and a Calgary run franchise that has no plan besides to linger in mediocrity.


 
 
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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:56 PM

The price is 6.8, about 3.4 too much

The price he is speaking of is the players/prospects/pick that would be headed to Calgary not salary cap hit.


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Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:00 PM

He is a whole 3 years older. And to say he is not as good is opinion. Big contract? sure. But it is one full season. One of 3 things would happen. He would either step up his game enough to earn that salary (win for the wings). Resign for a lower cap hit next time around (win for the wings). Or decide to go elsewhere. (lose for the wings, but not the end of the world). We wouldnt have to give up the farm to get him. With Yandle you could say good bye to roster players, and not our dead weight either.

 

Again, his cap hit severely limits your ability to sign a quality forward to play with Datsyuk.  By the time that cap hit is gone, Datsyuk will be sippin Stoli in Red Square.  The overall cap goes down next season, taking on a huge contract for a guy who's biggest assets are his versatility and the fact that he plays a lot of games doesn't make sense because it all but assures that you A) probably can't resign Flip and B) definitely can't resign Flip plus add another top sixer in order to be competitive.  And god knows Nyquist and Tatar aren't the answer up there with the big boys. 

 

Speaking of Dats and J-Bo in the same post.  You're talking about acquiring a guy who doesn't NOTHING exceptionally well, but everything decently well AND HE MAKES MORE THAN DATSYUK.  Why on earth does that seem like a good idea. 

 

If you want defense get Robyn Regehr for the remainder of the season and call it quits. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:01 PM

No doubt, but I think the resources put into Yandle would make us more one dimensional on that back end.

 

And he does make a ton of mistakes, just like Kronwall. He takes a ton of penalites(2nd on his team for 3 years in a row), he has bad pinches.

If he was good defensively he would play more than 3 seconds a game on the penalty kill.

I just think he's too similar to Kronwall, and would be too many of the same type guys.

 

Bouwmeester is much more versatile.

I can't beieve you compare him to Kronwall. He has more give away playing less minutes, not playing SH and they try to get him off the ice against top lines. He doesn't hit or block shots.

Of the top 10 scoring d-men in the league only 1 has less giveaways than Kronwall.

We have been spoiled by watching Perfect Human Being for so long.



An plug that plays 25 mintues a night...

Bouwmeester is not a plug. He may not be elite, or even very good. But he is a top pairing guy in this league, and he's never been on a good team.

 

It depends on the price for me.

None of his teams have made the playoffs because they rely on a slug to play 25 mins



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:02 PM

I can't beieve you compare him to Kronwall. He has more give away playing less minutes, not playing SH and they try to get him off the ice against top lines. He doesn't hit or block shots.

Of the top 10 scoring d-men in the league only 1 has less giveaways than Kronwall.

We have been spoiled by watching Perfect Human Being for so long.

I was being nice to Yandle. I think Kronwall is miles better defensively.

 

But fact is they are both point producers, and I think Kronwall still takes too many risks for a number one defenseman, he takes entirely too many penalties just look at where he ranks in the league for crying out loud. They are pretty similar when it comes to their decencies to be honest. And that's why I don't like the fit.


Edited by Carman, 28 March 2013 - 08:03 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:06 PM

I don't think the connection between Bouwmeester and his teams missing the playoffs is really fair at all. He has played for Florida and a Calgary run franchise that has no plan besides to linger in mediocrity.

They always made the playoffs before he got there.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:15 PM

18 million in cap space, we should be fine, should have no problem keeping Brunner, our RFAs, Howard and getting Horton.

 

 

This too.

 

I wouldn't touch Mrazek, unless we kept the first round pick.


The Wings will have enough trouble even keeping our current FA's there is very little chance we can afford a Horton unless we let go of someone else.

 

WIth Datsyuk potentially leaving for Russia after next season, Flip is now far more valuable than he was before, he is by far the most likely to take over the #2 center role should Datsyuk retire. Its unlikely Jarnkrok is going to be able to step into the role in the next few years and as we learned from the FA period last offseason, its a gamble to try and replace someone through UFA.

 

Looking at this offseason's FA's even thinking optimistically we are probably looking at a minimum of

 

Flip 4m

Howard 4m

Brunner 3m

Kindl 2.5m

Smith 2.5m

Nyquist 1m

Andersson 1m

 

With absolutely nothing left to offer to Cleary, Miller, White, Mursak or Huskins. The Wings cap situation isn't good.



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:17 PM

If we get Jbow, someone will be bought out. We'd have too many defensemen.


Edited by Carman, 28 March 2013 - 08:20 PM.


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Posted 28 March 2013 - 08:25 PM

If we get Jbow, someone will be bought out. We'd have too many defensemen.

 

The problem is that the guy most deserving of being bought out of his contract would be Bouwmeester.







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