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#161 pondrocket

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 01:45 PM

Please no.... If he was 3,000,000. then fine if he played on the third pairing where E should be playing.  Rather do nothing than handcuff ourselves into something that prohibits our ability to get a top guy for the coming season.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 01:48 PM

Please no.... If he was 3,000,000. then fine if he played on the third pairing where E should be playing.  Rather do nothing than handcuff ourselves into something that prohibits our ability to get a top guy for the coming season.

 

Agreed, I'd rather spend on a top forward like Gaborik and then pursue Yandle, or Smid (if available), or Regehr, or...nobody.  Our defense could be improved no doubt, but I wouldn't be heartbroken if we did nothing on the back end as long as we got Datsyuk a real winger. 

 

Edit:  Another benefit of adding Gaborik, is that he's exactly the type of winger that Damien Brunner should aspire to.  He'd be a perfect example of how to use your speed and shot effectively, in spite of lacking ideal size or strength.  Put him out there, give Brunner a pen and pad and let him take notes on how Gaborik plays the game. 


Edited by kipwinger, 30 March 2013 - 02:01 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:08 PM

We have the cap space and he is on the block. So yes, he is affordable.

 

The cap is dropping by $10m next season, so while we have the cap space this season, his contract would cripple the team's mobility in the offseason. That is not worth it for a defenseman of his skill level.

 

And given that Feaster is a moron, I don't expect  him to be affordable in terms of assets either... nor is he worth those assets.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:11 PM

The cap is dropping by $10m next season, so while we have the cap space this season, his contract would cripple the team's mobility in the offseason. That is not worth it for a defenseman of his skill level.

 

And given that Feaster is a moron, I don't expect  him to be affordable in terms of assets either... nor is he worth those assets.

 

Haven't we had mobility for 3 straight years?

 

What's your confidence that we won't end up with cap space next year anyways? The recent track record is trending the opposite.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:21 PM

The cap is dropping by $10m next season, so while we have the cap space this season, his contract would cripple the team's mobility in the offseason. That is not worth it for a defenseman of his skill level.

 

And given that Feaster is a moron, I don't expect  him to be affordable in terms of assets either... nor is he worth those assets.

 

it's dropping by 6 million. I just don't see how Jbo will help us, we have a strong young defensive core now, especially after winning the dekeyser battle. Our focus should be on strengthening our top-6 now with a young power forward that can become a franchise player



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 02:39 PM

 
Haven't we had mobility for 3 straight years?
 
What's your confidence that we won't end up with cap space next year anyways? The recent track record is trending the opposite.


Exactly. The free agent class is very weak, especially on defense. Plus there's always the threat that the players you do target don't sign with Detroit. Bouwmeester doesn't hamstring the club financially if there's nothing else available to spend the money on.
 
 
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:13 PM

All I hear on around this forum is that he's a good defenseman but doesn't play physical. Neither did Lidstrom. He brings size, penalty killing, point on the pp, and a buffer for Dekeyser, Smith, and Kindl. If its only going to take a 1rst Nyquist or Mrazek, I say do it. The Wings D would be something it hasn't been in years. BIG.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:19 PM

All I hear on around this forum is that he's a good defenseman but doesn't play physical. Neither did Lidstrom. He brings size, penalty killing, point on the pp, and a buffer for Dekeyser, Smith, and Kindl. If its only going to take a 1rst Nyquist or Mrazek, I say do it. The Wings D would be something it hasn't been in years. BIG.

 

For the hundredth time.  The cap goes down to 64 million next season, and we're currently sitting at 61 and change.  If you add Bouwmeester's 6.8, plus raises for Filppula, Kindl, Brunner, Howard, Andersson, Smith and Tatar, you've essentially guaranteed that you can't go out and sign a quality top sixer to play with Datsyuk in what appears to be his final season.  So you'd be going into next year with the same top six as the one that currently isn't deep enough to compete with good teams, plus Nyquist and/or Tatar which ensures that the majority of that inadequate top six is filled with guys weighing less than 200 pounds, who typically have a pass first mentality and are easily kept on the perimeter by opposing teams. 

 

No thanks. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:42 PM

Do we really want to give Filppula a raise with the way he has been playing?

 

And can someone give me a link that says it is for sure going to go down to 64 million?


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:50 PM

Do we really want to give Filppula a raise with the way he has been playing?

 

And can someone give me a link that says it is for sure going to go down to 64 million?

 

It was part of the new CBA.  Here's a link.  It's the second bullet point down. 

 

http://espn.go.com/b...he-nhls-new-cba


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:01 PM

It was part of the new CBA.  Here's a link.  It's the second bullet point down. 

 

http://espn.go.com/b...he-nhls-new-cba

 

So according to capgeek, we would have about 17.9 to work with.

 

Assuming Cleary, Miller, and White are let go, and Jay-Bo is traded for his 6.8 million (assuming we don't lose any roster players in the deal), you could still have cap space remaining to sign everyone. Nyquist and Andersson won't command much, so the only ones you have to worry about are Fil, Howard and Kindl, really. Negotiate well (and even let Fil go if he asks too much) and it puts you  with some cap space remaining. Sure this keeps you from making a big splash in free agency, but it all depends on what you are looking for. One in the hand is better than two in the bush.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:06 PM

All I hear on around this forum is that he's a good defenseman but doesn't play physical. Neither did Lidstrom. He brings size, penalty killing, point on the pp, and a buffer for Dekeyser, Smith, and Kindl. If its only going to take a 1rst Nyquist or Mrazek, I say do it. The Wings D would be something it hasn't been in years. BIG.

 

First off, Bouwmeester should never be compared to Lidstrom. Ever. Nor should anyone playing in the NHL right now, for that matter, because Lidstrom was a special player the likes of which are seen only very rarely. That said, Lidstrom didn't play physically, yes, but it was not necessary for him to do so; he played a style that was extremely effective for him, one that only he, among all other defensemen on the planet, could pull off with a complete degree of success. Playing a non-physical game was not detrimental to Lidstrom's effectiveness. This is not the case with Bouwmeester, as playing with more grit could enhance his game. He does not play with much heart or enthusiasm either. This all combines to make his size a non-factor in his play.

 

And for the record, every single defense regular on the team, save Kronwall---who plays several inches larger than he really is---is above six feet.


Edited by Crymson, 30 March 2013 - 10:10 PM.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:08 PM

His size is useful for his reach. I don't know how that can be argued.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:12 PM

His size is useful for his reach. I don't know how that can be argued.

 

If reach were such a big factor, then Boris Valabik would be an effective NHL player. As things stand, when we talk about a player's size, his reach isn't often what's being discussed.

 

And for the record (though this is a medical point), variances in body structure---there is no set ratio between height and length of arms---mean that some 6'0" players could theoretically have arms as long as those of some 6'3" players. It's unlikely but possible. 


Edited by Crymson, 30 March 2013 - 10:16 PM.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:12 PM

If reach were such a big factor, then Boris Valabik would be an effective NHL player.

Boris Valabik couldn't skate like Bouwmeester, nor did he have the skill or intelligence.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:14 PM

Cap is $64.

We sit at 47,221,212 for next years signed players.

Almost $18 million in cap space so it's not as grim as you might think.

 

10 Forwards signed: Dats, Z, Mule, Sammy, Helm, Bert, Tootoo, Abs, Eaves

 

6 Defensemen signed: Kronner, Q, Ericsson, Cola, DeKeyser, and Lashoff

 

1 Goaltender: Monster

 

UFAs: Howard, Flip, Brunner, Miller, White, Cleary

 

RFAs: Andersson, Gus, Kindl, Smith

 

Play GM and tell me how you spend that money??   How JBouw works or doesn't?


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Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:17 PM

Boris Valabik couldn't skate like Bouwmeester, nor did he have the skill or intelligence.

 

Then reach isn't such a big factor, is it?



Cap is $64.

We sit at 47,221,212 for next years signed players.

Almost $18 million in cap space so it's not as grim as you might think.

 

10 Forwards signed: Dats, Z, Mule, Sammy, Helm, Bert, Tootoo, Abs, Eaves

 

6 Defensemen signed: Kronner, Q, Ericsson, Cola, DeKeyser, and Lashoff

 

1 Goaltender: Monster

 

UFAs: Howard, Flip, Brunner, Miller, White, Cleary

 

RFAs: Andersson, Gus, Kindl, Smith

 

Play GM and tell me how you spend that money??   How JBouw works or doesn't?

 

You forget that Bouwmeester will also cost assets. If he came free, then I'd say sure, why not.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:19 PM

So according to capgeek, we would have about 17.9 to work with.

 

Assuming Cleary, Miller, and White are let go, and Jay-Bo is traded for his 6.8 million (assuming we don't lose any roster players in the deal), you could still have cap space remaining to sign everyone. Nyquist and Andersson won't command much, so the only ones you have to worry about are Fil, Howard and Kindl, really. Negotiate well (and even let Fil go if he asks too much) and it puts you  with some cap space remaining. Sure this keeps you from making a big splash in free agency, but it all depends on what you are looking for. One in the hand is better than two in the bush.

You can qualify some of these RFAs or offer them a more friendly deal with term ala Lashoff or Kindl's previous deals avoiding the need to pay them the $963,000 that would be the 110% raise for their qualifying offer.  Let's say that's Andersson, Gus and Smith. Let's say it's an even $3 million for their combined cap hit.

 

12 Forwards 7 Defensemen: 1 Goalie - $50 million towards the cap. 

 

Still have $14 million, two buyouts, and trade possibilites of moving salary out to bring salary in.

 

EDIT:  Crym.  I'm not saying it's the best idea... and yes, it will cost assets -- you and I both know that it's the price that's paid to bring in a guy like JBouw (or Yandle, for those that would prefer him) ...but those saying that to bring JBouw will cripple the team from having the room for another top-six forward are not correct.   It's just like where I stood for bringing in Iginla.  It will cost too much in FUTURE ASSETS than cap space.


Edited by e_prime, 30 March 2013 - 10:23 PM.

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(AtomicPunk @ February 4, 2010 - 12:16AM)

Imma let you finish, and your cap numbers are all good and all that, but imma let Kenny figure it out. Kenny's cap numbers were the best cap numbers this year.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:19 PM

Then reach isn't such a big factor, is it?

 

In conjuction with speed and intelligence? yes.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:20 PM

Bouwmeester lacks enthusiasm, yet he has played in over 600 consecutive games in the NHL? He has flaws, but that particular argument is baseless. Lack of emotion doesn't mean a player has no desire. Again, Bouwmeester has always been a reserved figure on/off the ice.

Edited by GoWings1905, 30 March 2013 - 10:21 PM.

 
 
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