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#41 Number19

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 03:38 PM

I don't think we want Oveckin with his cap hit and his career decline.

Eh, I'll take a flyer on a once in a generation two time Hart winning superstar and pair up 2 of the top 3 russian players of the last 10 years. His career decline is masively overrated. Still under 30 playing in a defensive first dump and chase team (why that is I'll have no idea). You can have your cap-restricted by a lot worse options.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:13 PM

Eh, I'll take a flyer on a once in a generation two time Hart winning superstar and pair up 2 of the top 3 russian players of the last 10 years. His career decline is masively overrated. Still under 30 playing in a defensive first dump and chase team (why that is I'll have no idea). You can have your cap-restricted by a lot worse options.

 

There is a much more compelling argument than the system in which he is playing, namely that he has been figured out by other teams.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:33 PM

Weird, I thought he would be waived. Lets see if Philly plays him five times or not. 



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:40 PM

Good move by Holland.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:05 PM

I like that move, Holland is making room for Dekeyser here.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:29 PM

There is a much more compelling argument than the system in which he is playing, namely that he has been figured out by other teams.

They haven't figured him out too good, he is still on a 40 goal pace over 82 games



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:59 PM

They haven't figured him out too good, he is still on a 40 goal pace over 82 games

 

For $9.5m---the highest cap hit of any player in the league---he'd better be doing much more than that. He was given that giant contract with the impression that he would continue putting up seasons of 100+ points. Last year, he had 65 points to go along with his poor defensive play. Not good enough.

 

Ovechkin can still score, but other teams now know how to keep him from dominating as he used to.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:47 PM

For $9.5m---the highest cap hit of any player in the league---he'd better be doing much more than that. He was given that giant contract with the impression that he would continue putting up seasons of 100+ points. Last year, he had 65 points to go along with his poor defensive play. Not good enough.

 

Ovechkin can still score, but other teams now know how to keep him from dominating as he used to.

 

I'm not sure this is completely true.  Granted there is some degree of "figuring out" with pretty much any player, but the fact that he's essentially the only real scoring threat on his team makes a difference too.  It's not too hard to figure out that if you want to beat Washington you just need to key on Ovi.  If Backstrom, Laich, Brouwer, or Semin (in years past) can beat you without him then good luck to them, but it never happened. 

 

If declining point production were directly attributable to getting "figured out" then Datsyuk and Zetterberg would be subject to the same kinds of criticisms given that their production has dropped sharply as well.

 

But I do agree that he's expensive and doesn't play defense, can't argue there.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 06:49 PM

For $9.5m---the highest cap hit of any player in the league---he'd better be doing much more than that. He was given that giant contract with the impression that he would continue putting up seasons of 100+ points. Last year, he had 65 points to go along with his poor defensive play. Not good enough.

 

Ovechkin can still score, but other teams now know how to keep him from dominating as he used to.

He is pretty good defensively and nobody's going to score 100 points any more playing a defensive system with the much bigger goalie equipment.
I would rather pay him 9.5 than pay Bouwmesster 6.8, Ovechkin is still an impact player. I agree 9.5 is too much though but I would take him anyway for the Wings and I am confident he would be putting up 50 goal seasons with the Wings.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 07:02 PM

I'm not sure this is completely true.  Granted there is some degree of "figuring out" with pretty much any player, but the fact that he's essentially the only real scoring threat on his team makes a difference too.  It's not too hard to figure out that if you want to beat Washington you just need to key on Ovi.  If Backstrom, Laich, Brouwer, or Semin (in years past) can beat you without him then good luck to them, but it never happened. 

 

If declining point production were directly attributable to getting "figured out" then Datsyuk and Zetterberg would be subject to the same kinds of criticisms given that their production has dropped sharply as well.

 

But I do agree that he's expensive and doesn't play defense, can't argue there.

 

Ovechkin is a one-trick pony. He gets most of his goals from being left unopened to unleash that cannon of his either in the zone or on the rush. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are far more versatile.

 

This is an excellent article on the subject.


He is pretty good defensively and nobody's going to score 100 points any more playing a defensive system with the much bigger goalie equipment.
I would rather pay him 9.5 than pay Bouwmesster 6.8, Ovechkin is still an impact player. I agree 9.5 is too much though but I would take him anyway for the Wings and I am confident he would be putting up 50 goal seasons with the Wings.

 

He is not at all good defensively, and his ability to score has always depended in moderate part upon being able to quickly go on the rush from the defensive zone. That does not lend itself to defensive play.

 

With Backstrom feeding him, there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to score a lot.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 07:39 PM

Ovechkin is a one-trick pony. He gets most of his goals from being left unopened to unleash that cannon of his either in the zone or on the rush. Datsyuk and Zetterberg are far more versatile.

 

This is an excellent article on the subject.


 

He is not at all good defensively, and his ability to score has always depended in moderate part upon being able to quickly go on the rush from the defensive zone. That does not lend itself to defensive play.

 

With Backstrom feeding him, there's no reason why he shouldn't be able to score a lot.

 

I agree with the article, and it's exactly what I said above.  Cover Ovechkin to the exclusion of anyone else.  If they can beat you, fine, but that team doesn't have enough talent to do it.  If there were any other game changers on that team, you couldn't afford to short change everyone else, Ovechkin would get freed up, and his production would increase. 

 

“We really took [Capitals star forward Alex] Ovechkin away the whole power play," said Muller back in the 2010 playoffs. "We played man on man with him and forced the other four guys to beat us four-on-three.”

 

That's fine if the four other guys are Backstrom and a few other bozos, but if the other four guys are Pavel, Hank, Kronwall, and Franzen you'd get buried. 

 

Good coaching on Mueller's part, but if Washington had a deeper team he couldn't have used that strategy successfully. 


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 07:57 PM

I don't believe you should spend that much money in the cap era for a goal scoring specialist. You need your best players to be versatile, Ovechkin is a dynamic goal scorer, and I would love him on my team for maybe 6-7 million. But 9.5 takes away a very solid player. I'd take Kronwall+Filpulla over Ovechkin any day.

 

If Ovechkin can ever get back to a 60 goal pace, then he might be worth that, but right now he is just a very good player.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 08:30 PM

Forwards are not available!!!!! I mean top 6 talent is not available. Tampa and Flordia don't want to trade with us because of the move. JBouw gives us the best 6 in the league. Do it then bring up the kids. Sheahan and Tartar. Get Helm back, maybe get Bert back. Big team and tough to play against.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:34 PM

Gaborik and Cammalleri are both possibilities, albeit someone ones.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 10:49 PM

Cammalleri has been playing pretty good in CGY.  If Feaster is looking to change the thought process in Calgary on how that team is built and what they will do, he will bomb the roster.  J-Bo, Cammy, and even Kipper could be available.


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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:26 PM

Almost feeling semi-disappointed in this, but good luck in Philly. 

 

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:34 PM

Does anyone have reliable information about what the condition on the pick is?  The only things I've seen have been the conflicting speculation here (that he needs to play 5 games - not sure if there's a real source) and the tweet mentioned from TPLHockey (Huskins would need to re-sign with Philly - no idea if this source is reliable). 



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 11:52 PM

Does anyone have reliable information about what the condition on the pick is?  The only things I've seen have been the conflicting speculation here (that he needs to play 5 games - not sure if there's a real source) and the tweet mentioned from TPLHockey (Huskins would need to re-sign with Philly - no idea if this source is reliable). 

 

According to NHL.com, he has to re-sign with Philly before Oct. 1st. Though it's a 7th-round pick, so really nothing to get excited about anyway...



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 01:50 AM

Cammalleri has been playing pretty good in CGY.  If Feaster is looking to change the thought process in Calgary on how that team is built and what they will do, he will bomb the roster.  J-Bo, Cammy, and even Kipper could be available.

 

Even if we had need for Kiprusoff---and we don't---he has openly stated that if he is traded, he won't report to the team.



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 01:53 AM

 
Even if we had need for Kiprusoff---and we don't---he has openly stated that if he is traded, he won't report to the team.


He won't report to any team? Why not? I'm not saying he would be desirable to a contender. But, a trade would be kipper's only chance at winking a cup. He must really like calgary.





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