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#161 pondrocket

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:02 PM

I don't think that Mike Ilitch is fully aware of much that's going on around him, sadly. Age has taken its toll.

Mike is completely aware.  Critique the teams performance, vent about your dissipointment it's all well and good.  We all appreciate th Wings and or hockey in general but to be so personally insulting about someone that has contributed to Hockey and fans of Detroit hockey is irresponsible.  It's too bad.

 

If Holland stands pat at this deadline, then I'm joining the "Fire Holland" crowd. 

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#162 Salviaman

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:10 PM

Fire Holland


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:11 PM

Flog Holland.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

Fire Holland? Fire Battman, Fire this, fire that.... HA!

 

If Detroit Red Wings or/and the league itself, are to be managed by majority vote on this board or any other group of random people for that matter, there would be no NHL, no Red Wings.... and no this board :)

 

Move on!


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:24 PM

Until the Wings miss the playoffs for a couple seasons, and Mike Babcock is fired there won't even be a discussion about replacing Holland.

 

Keep dreaming guys.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 02:58 PM

Seems to be we need to follow everyone else's formula to get good players: tank for four to five years to get your core players then add role players around them. Obviously Ken doesn't wanna give up anyone in trades and can't seem to lure in big time FA's anymore.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:06 PM

I wonder if Kenny is now going to try and re-sign Flip now that he wasn't traded.


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#168 haroldsnepsts

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:10 PM

I wonder if Kenny is now going to try and re-sign Flip now that he wasn't traded.

I would think so.  Otherwise he definitely should've traded him in some deal before he lost Flip for nothing.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:13 PM

I would think so.  Otherwise he definitely should've traded him in some deal before he lost Flip for nothing.

 

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:13 PM

I'd like to see a reporter ask Holland what his definition of 'transition' year is.

Because to me, that definition isn't 'lets let all of our talent age and leave while we hope somebody we drafted becomes a superstar.'

To transition, you need to get help. You don't just hope your young players getting good barely overlaps with your good players getting bad.

I agreed that rentals weren't the way to go, buy how could Gaborik not have helped in a transition? Pominville?

Our prospects are good, but we will be very lucky if one of them turns into a star. So most likely outcome is we will have a solid team for years, but without trades and UFA signings we won't be a great one.

I'm baffled by standing pat this year. Last year made sense, but this just reeks of a missed opportunity. It was a good deadline for a lot of teams. These windows don't open often in the new NHL. Is the UFA class so great this summer?
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:20 PM

I'm baffled by standing pat this year. Last year made sense, but this just reeks of a missed opportunity. It was a good deadline for a lot of teams. These windows don't open often in the new NHL. Is the UFA class so great this summer?

 

I'd say most teams did pretty well, by either adding players or getting rid of guys that take up salary. I can't believe the Wings were one of very few teams that didn't do anything. The FA class this summer definitely got worse now that Perry and Getzlaf were extended in Anaheim. Here's the list for you if you care to look: http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:14 PM

I didn't care if we were buyers or sellers, I could understand an argument for either.  I just thought it would be nuts to stand pat, that makes nooo sense whatsoever. 



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:17 PM

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:26 PM

I'd say most teams did pretty well, by either adding players or getting rid of guys that take up salary. I can't believe the Wings were one of very few teams that didn't do anything. The FA class this summer definitely got worse now that Perry and Getzlaf were extended in Anaheim. Here's the list for you if you care to look: http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents

 

Wow, that's pretty much just a list of 3rd and 4th liners and 5th and 6th defensemen.  Awesome.  Can't wait to not acquire a scoring winger in the offseason as well.  Thank god Nyquist is the answer to that problem...oh wait...nevermind. 


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:33 PM

I'd say most teams did pretty well, by either adding players or getting rid of guys that take up salary. I can't believe the Wings were one of very few teams that didn't do anything. The FA class this summer definitely got worse now that Perry and Getzlaf were extended in Anaheim. Here's the list for you if you care to look: http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents

 

I don't think the Wings ever planned to be active in the FA market this offseason, with the cap dropping the only way we could afford to sign anyone is by buying someone out.

 

I think the team we will ice next season will be almost exactly the same as this seasons with the only differences being Cleary, Miller and White out and a couple of our prospects getting regular shifts.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 05:39 PM

 
I don't think the Wings ever planned to be active in the FA market this offseason, with the cap dropping the only way we could afford to sign anyone is by buying someone out.
 
I think the team we will ice next season will be almost exactly the same as this seasons with the only differences being Cleary, Miller and White out and a couple of our prospects getting regular shifts.


Yippie... Clarkson or Horton would be nice though. Other than that there isn't anything to get excited about.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:17 PM

I'd like to see a reporter ask Holland what his definition of 'transition' year is.

Because to me, that definition isn't 'lets let all of our talent age and leave while we hope somebody we drafted becomes a superstar.'

To transition, you need to get help. You don't just hope your young players getting good barely overlaps with your good players getting bad.

I agreed that rentals weren't the way to go, buy how could Gaborik not have helped in a transition? Pominville?

Our prospects are good, but we will be very lucky if one of them turns into a star. So most likely outcome is we will have a solid team for years, but without trades and UFA signings we won't be a great one.

I'm baffled by standing pat this year. Last year made sense, but this just reeks of a missed opportunity. It was a good deadline for a lot of teams. These windows don't open often in the new NHL. Is the UFA class so great this summer?

And the Wings equivalent to what was traded for Gaborik, whom most thought would require our 1st, is as follows:

 

Filppula, White, Eaves and a 6th.  That's essentially what the Rangers got for him.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:33 PM

And the Wings equivalent to what was traded for Gaborik, whom most thought would require our 1st, is as follows:

 

Filppula, White, Eaves and a 6th.  That's essentially what the Rangers got for him.

 

Umm noo.

 

Brassard is a .55 PPG 25 year old on a 3 million dollar deal. His value is Filppula++.they are close in terms of actual player skill, but not in contract value.

and comparing John Moore to White is laughable. White isn't a 22 year old first round pick playing in his second season. He's a good young defenseman, that's defensively responsible. His value is between Smith/Lashoff. Mainly because of the RFA deal and age.

And comparing Eaves to Dorsett is close in terms of point production, but absolutely not in terms of toughness and leadership, columbus fans are flipping out the most about losing this guy more than anybody else. It's hard to compare him to anyone on the Red Wings, he's Tootoo with better defensive hockey IQ(plays much more PK), and outstanding leadership(A).

 

Realistically I don't think the Rangers would want what we could offer. They required roster players, Filpulla's value is not high being he'd be a rental, so you would have to add value on the defensive slot and they want Smith, we would try Kindl. So right now the Wing's are looking at Filppula, Kindl, and the 3rd part of the deal is tricky, who could dorsett be a replacement for? Remember Filppula's value isn't as high as Brassards, and Kindl's value is around equal, or less than Moore's, so I'd have to imagine they would want an improvement over Dorsett, they wouldn't ask for Eaves, Abby, Miller no, they would ask for Helm. And sorry that's not happening.

 

Wings just weren't a good dance partner for New York. And people crying about signing injury riddled players like Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, Cola etc. would be flipping s*** if we traded away 3 roster players for a 32 year old 7.5 million dollar forward that is producing less than Samuelsson did last year, and his back/hip/groin starts to act up. Gaborik is a risky player, his injury history is extensive to say the least, and if he goes down the wings are not only out a top winger, but 7.5 million in cap, and 3 roster players.

 

While the risk for Sammy was just 3 million cap, and a secondary scorer, much less risky.

 

The only way I wanted Gaborik is if we traded away prospects, because the risk would be lessened, we wouldn't be a worse team if he goes down.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:45 PM

I predict next year is the year we break our streak in the playoffs. Yes we are finally playing most of our games in our time zone. BUT, all the other teams around us has just re-loaded and re-tooled over the summer and trade deadline, while our GM played bubble hockey with Babcock and talked about grilling some food this summer when they go golfing in Late April. This my friends is the end of a great franchise, back to the "dead wings" we go. See you again in 40 years at the next cup celebration.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 06:52 PM

I predict next year is the year we break our streak in the playoffs. Yes we are finally playing most of our games in our time zone. BUT, all the other teams around us has just re-loaded and re-tooled over the summer and trade deadline, while our GM played bubble hockey with Babcock and talked about grilling some food this summer when they go golfing in Late April. This my friends is the end of a great franchise, back to the "dead wings" we go. See you again in 40 years at the next cup celebration.

 

Yikes, Tampa just traded away their 4th leading scorer and youngest player, Toronto still has no goalie, Florida did nothing like usual, Buffalo traded away their captain for prospects, Boston traded for Jagr and Redden(looking good for the 03 stanley cup not so much next year). Really Ottawa is the only one that really improved much.

 

Just because we didn't go after doesn't signal the demise of a great franchise.

 

You know what would? If we traded away Jarnkrok and Mrazek to Buffalo for pominville. Then Buffalo turns around and traded Miller for a huge scorer. And the Jarnkrok develops into the #1 center adn Mrazek turns into a Vezina candidate and we have to face them 4 times a year in division. That would be pretty s***ty no?







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