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#21 kipwinger

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:42 PM

The problem is not Babcock. The problem is the lack of synergy between Holland and Babcock. Holland doesn't give Babs the kind of team he openly asks for and needs. WTF do you think will happen in that situation?

 

Good use of "synergy".  That is all. 


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:42 PM

Seriously? As someone who lives less then an hour from Buffalo and listens to Buffalo radio stations, Buffalo would laugh and make fun of us for months if we replaced Babs with Ruff.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:50 PM

He spent 2 shifts on a top 6 line against the sharks. TWO shifts! Give the guy two or three games with are best players. What's the harm in that? It's not like he's gonna do worse then cleary, miller, Sammy etc

 

Did you notice his time on the 2nd power play unit in almost every single game he's been in this season?



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:54 PM

 
Did you notice his time on the 2nd power play unit in almost every single game he's been in this season?


Yes I did notice that. And I notice that it's a better PP with him on it then with him not. Also playing second PP is still not playing with are best players considering all are best players are on the 1st unit

 
Did you notice his time on the 2nd power play unit in almost every single game he's been in this season?


Yes I did notice that. And I notice that it's a better PP with him on it then with him not. Also playing second PP is still not playing with are best players considering all are best players are on the 1st unit

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:55 PM

Responsibility should start with Ilitch, who doesn't seem to care that much anymore.

 

Then it's on Holland for putting this team together.

 

Next, it would be Babcock.  His line combos and giving players like Cleary and Miller opportunities, while Tatar is sent down for scoring, have been absurd.  

 

I don't see Holland getting fired or Ilitch relinquishing the team.  If anything, Babcock will be the one to go.  That's how it usually goes in pro sports.  


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 03:56 PM

You could give Nyquist 20 min a night he is NOT NHL ready until he gains some size. I won't argue with you about Mule and Cleary, neither should be on this team.

 

Franzen gets a very bad rap around here, but even so, to say that he doesn't deserve to be on the team is nonsense. I do agree about Cleary, who is suddenly the hockey equivalent of a senior citizen.



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:23 PM

Responsibility should start with Ilitch, who doesn't seem to care that much anymore.

 

Then it's on Holland for putting this team together.

 

Next, it would be Babcock.  His line combos and giving players like Cleary and Miller opportunities, while Tatar is sent down for scoring, have been absurd.  

 

I don't see Holland getting fired or Ilitch relinquishing the team.  If anything, Babcock will be the one to go.  That's how it usually goes in pro sports.  

 

Judging by your tone you'd think we're in last.  

 

It's a transition period. 

 

There's more attractive teams than ever with the parity.

 

With that we will get less and less big name UFAs. Get used to it.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:31 PM

Wow just wow, lets not and say we also didn't.



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:40 PM

Judging by your tone you'd think we're in last.  

 

It's a transition period. 

 

There's more attractive teams than ever with the parity.

 

With that we will get less and less big name UFAs. Get used to it.

 

So you're OK with mediocrity?  You want us to become like Montreal fans, raving about past successes and always pointing to the banners each time we lose a playoff series?

 

I've said this a million times.  If you put Hockeytown on your center ice logo, you better be a great franchise, and not one steering towards being average.  

 

Transition period means losing someone like Lidstrom, and it's understandable.  However, it shouldn't then result in making stupid acquisitions and putting together bad line combos, while keeping better players in the minors.  Not much has made sense from Holland and Babcock in the last year.  


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 04:58 PM

So you're OK with mediocrity?  You want us to become like Montreal fans, raving about past successes and always pointing to the banners each time we lose a playoff series?

 

I've said this a million times.  If you put Hockeytown on your center ice logo, you better be a great franchise, and not one steering towards being average.  

 

Transition period means losing someone like Lidstrom, and it's understandable.  However, it shouldn't then result in making stupid acquisitions and putting together bad line combos, while keeping better players in the minors.  Not much has made sense from Holland and Babcock in the last year.  

 

No I'd love to have a #1 team every year but I realize that is not realistic. Especially in today's capped league. This is not 10 years ago and Wings fans need to step into the current era.

 

Wing's management is trying to build another solid foundation without doing anything too high-risk. This way we can compete for the playoffs on an annual basis instead of making knee-jerk decisions and going for broke one year and recovering for the next few. (see Philidelphia)

 

Hockeytown is a mere nickname. To hold a team accountable to THAT of all things is kind of ridiculous.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

 
 
Hockeytown is a mere nickname. To hold a team accountable to THAT of all things is kind of ridiculous.


Exactly....Title Town Green Bay

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 05:49 PM

So you're OK with mediocrity?  You want us to become like Montreal fans, raving about past successes and always pointing to the banners each time we lose a playoff series?

 

I've said this a million times.  If you put Hockeytown on your center ice logo, you better be a great franchise, and not one steering towards being average.  

 

Transition period means losing someone like Lidstrom, and it's understandable.  However, it shouldn't then result in making stupid acquisitions and putting together bad line combos, while keeping better players in the minors.  Not much has made sense from Holland and Babcock in the last year.  

 

So what's your idea? Bomb for a few seasons so we can get the best players through the draft? Do you realize that the Wings have had trouble loading with talent lately because of the lack of superstar draft picks?

 

I swear, some fans of this team have a horribly spoiled, entitled, "have my cake and eat it too" attitude. They expect the Cup every year, and if the team doesn't make it at least deep into the playoffs, they complain as if they are being robbed of something they deserve. It's awful that the team's long stretch of success has rendered some fans unable to appreciate that success at all.

 

Guess what? In the parity era, we're going to have the same set of disadvantages that the salary cap bestows upon every other team.


Edited by Crymson, 31 March 2013 - 05:53 PM.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 07:07 PM

So what's your idea? Bomb for a few seasons so we can get the best players through the draft? Do you realize that the Wings have had trouble loading with talent lately because of the lack of superstar draft picks?
 
I swear, some fans of this team have a horribly spoiled, entitled, "have my cake and eat it too" attitude. They expect the Cup every year, and if the team doesn't make it at least deep into the playoffs, they complain as if they are being robbed of something they deserve. It's awful that the team's long stretch of success has rendered some fans unable to appreciate that success at all.
 
Guess what? In the parity era, we're going to have the same set of disadvantages that the salary cap bestows upon every other team.

 
I thought we had a deep prospect pool, as I'm always told.  Yet, those prospects are sitting in the minors.     Why is Tatar sent down when worse players are in the lineup every night?
 
I understand things are getting tougher, but I feel like Babcock and Holland are making them even worse with terrible personnel decisions.  Holland signed the wrong players in the offseason and made a dumb trade for Quincey before that.  Babcock outdoes him by not playing Tatar and Nyquist and giving people like Cleary and Abdelkader too much trust.  
 
The fanbase should have high expectations.  Name me one great team in sports, with a long successful history, that doesn't have spoiled fans with high expectations.  I like that about our fans.  We don't like mediocrity.  If someone here doesn't accept that fact, they should go join another forum, where people are routinely happy about making the playoffs once in a while.     

Exactly....Title Town Green Bay

 
I hardly hear anyone refer to Green Bay as that.  And it's not pasted at the 50 yard line like Hockeytown is.  
 
Did anyone call Detroit Hockeytown in the 80's?  Nope, and it's because they sucked.   

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 07:09 PM

I thought we had a deep prospect pool, as I'm always told.  Yet, those prospects are sitting in the minors.     Why is Tatar sent down when worse players are in the lineup every night?

 

I understand things are getting tougher, but I feel like Babcock and Holland are making them even worse with terrible personnel decisions.  Holland signed the wrong players in the offseason and made a dumb trade for Quincey before that.  Babcock outdoes him by not playing Tatar and Nyquist and giving people like Cleary and Abdelkader too much trust.  

 

The fanbase should have high expectations.  Name me one great team in sports, with a long successful history, that doesn't have spoiled fans with high expectations.  I like that about our fans.  We don't like mediocrity.  If someone here doesn't accept that fact, they should go join another forum, where people are routinely happy about making the playoffs once in a while.     



 

I hardly hear anyone refer to Green Bay as that.  And it's not pasted at the 50 yard line like Hockeytown is.  

 

Did anyone call Detroit Hockeytown 80's?  Nope, and it's because they sucked.   

 

Great post. I always remember Stevie Y at his retirement ceremony saying, "Keep demanding excellence." There's nothing wrong with expectations. If I wanted to root for a franchise that didn't care, I could pick up Calgary or Columbus. 


 
 
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Posted 31 March 2013 - 07:30 PM

 
I thought we had a deep prospect pool, as I'm always told.  Yet, those prospects are sitting in the minors.     Why is Tatar sent down when worse players are in the lineup every night?
 
I understand things are getting tougher, but I feel like Babcock and Holland are making them even worse with terrible personnel decisions.  Holland signed the wrong players in the offseason and made a dumb trade for Quincey before that.  Babcock outdoes him by not playing Tatar and Nyquist and giving people like Cleary and Abdelkader too much trust.  
 
The fanbase should have high expectations.  Name me one great team in sports, with a long successful history, that doesn't have spoiled fans with high expectations.  I like that about our fans.  We don't like mediocrity.  If someone here doesn't accept that fact, they should go join another forum, where people are routinely happy about making the playoffs once in a while.     
 

 

A deep prospect pool does not equal NHL-ready prospects. At least not in the roles they would be used.

 

The players playing over Tatar and Nyquist are of different skill sets. Management has decided that, with the roster we have, the greatest chance of success is to grind games out. Mike Babcock has proven to be effective at this style of play. Tatar and Nyquist do not contribute much to this. They are very much willing to sacrifice offensive POTENTIAL for players with PROVEN defensive skills. Whether you like to admit it or not it's worked out alright so far despite the spoiled fanbase going nuts.

 

Of course fans should have expectations but to not have the ability to see what this team is going through is naive. To not realize there are at least 10-15 teams just as attractive as us as a destination to play for players is naive. Again this isn't 10 years ago where there's 2-3 teams at the top where everyone wants to go. Talent is spread out more and more. We're not going to get the top players every year. This is a reality.


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 08:07 PM

A deep prospect pool does not equal NHL-ready prospects. At least not in the roles they would be used.

 

The players playing over Tatar and Nyquist are of different skill sets. Management has decided that, with the roster we have, the greatest chance of success is to grind games out. Mike Babcock has proven to be effective at this style of play. Tatar and Nyquist do not contribute much to this. They are very much willing to sacrifice offensive POTENTIAL for players with PROVEN defensive skills. Whether you like to admit it or not it's worked out alright so far despite the spoiled fanbase going nuts.

 

Of course fans should have expectations but to not have the ability to see what this team is going through is naive. To not realize there are at least 10-15 teams just as attractive as us as a destination to play for players is naive. Again this isn't 10 years ago where there's 2-3 teams at the top where everyone wants to go. Talent is spread out more and more. We're not going to get the top players every year. This is a reality.

 

I realize all that.  I understand that Parise, Suter, Iginla, etc. didn't want to come here because we're not all that, and there's parity now.    

 

However, after Holland didn't get what he wanted, he made stupid moves for injury riddled players, which are completely useless to us.  Sammy, Colaicovo, Gustavsson, Quincey.  Overpayment for all of them, when you consider what they've brought.  That's what I'm upset with more than anything else.  It's totally fair to criticize Holland for this.    

 

It's also fair to criticize Babcock.  How does Tatar not fit into anything?  He's scoring goals (something we need badly), and he's shown that he can play along the boards.  Babcock also clowned us with a Datsyuk, Abdelkader, Cleary line for several weeks.  Nyquist gets called up, but quickly sent down because he can't score on the lower lines.  No s***.  No one can score on our lower lines.    

 

Fans aren't just irrationally spouting hate.  We have arguments to back up our frustrations.  Poor moves by the management and poor coaching / line changes / sending the wrong players down.    


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 08:34 PM

Yessssssss. Another fire Babcock thread after a bad game. These are my favourite! Even better is this one thinks we should fire Babcock and bring in Ruff... Awesome!


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 08:44 PM

 
I realize all that.  I understand that Parise, Suter, Iginla, etc. didn't want to come here because we're not all that, and there's parity now.    
 
However, after Holland didn't get what he wanted, he made stupid moves for injury riddled players, which are completely useless to us.  Sammy, Colaicovo, Gustavsson, Quincey.  Overpayment for all of them, when you consider what they've brought.  That's what I'm upset with more than anything else.  It's totally fair to criticize Holland for this.    
 
It's also fair to criticize Babcock.  How does Tatar not fit into anything?  He's scoring goals (something we need badly), and he's shown that he can play along the boards.  Babcock also clowned us with a Datsyuk, Abdelkader, Cleary line for several weeks.  Nyquist gets called up, but quickly sent down because he can't score on the lower lines.  No s***.  No one can score on our lower lines.    
 
Fans aren't just irrationally spouting hate.  We have arguments to back up our frustrations.  Poor moves by the management and poor coaching / line changes / sending the wrong players down.    


This and a thousand times over! This is why I'm so frustrated with things. It's clear as day that the best 18 players are not on the ice on a regular basis.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 08:50 PM

Is Lindy Ruff an option for next year? I'm not panicking here and not trying to overreact but Babcock's been here for nine years. Is it time to move on and try something new? What about Ruff? We're bringing in a guy that is very familiar with the East where the Wings will be playing next year. What do you guys think?

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 08:52 PM

I realize all that.  I understand that Parise, Suter, Iginla, etc. didn't want to come here because we're not all that, and there's parity now.    

 

However, after Holland didn't get what he wanted, he made stupid moves for injury riddled players, which are completely useless to us.  Sammy, Colaicovo, Gustavsson, Quincey.  Overpayment for all of them, when you consider what they've brought.  That's what I'm upset with more than anything else.  It's totally fair to criticize Holland for this.    

 

It's also fair to criticize Babcock.  How does Tatar not fit into anything?  He's scoring goals (something we need badly), and he's shown that he can play along the boards.  Babcock also clowned us with a Datsyuk, Abdelkader, Cleary line for several weeks.  Nyquist gets called up, but quickly sent down because he can't score on the lower lines.  No s***.  No one can score on our lower lines.    

 

Fans aren't just irrationally spouting hate.  We have arguments to back up our frustrations.  Poor moves by the management and poor coaching / line changes / sending the wrong players down.    

 

no one can score in our bottom lines? I beg to differ Tatar had no issues scoring on bottom 6 minutes, your argument is invalid. Babs is doing the best with what he is given, like it or not, we HAVE to contend with a 23 man roster, so when our roster players are healthy, the GR guys get sent down. That is just the way it is, Holland isn't going to let babs waive our roster players to keep an ahl guy up, as much as we all may want that, he won't give our guys away for free. This is how hockey works, so stop acting like a 6 year old kid, who doesn't get every toy he wants...







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