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#41 GMRwings1983

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 08:57 PM

no one can score in our bottom lines? I beg to differ Tatar had no issues scoring on bottom 6 minutes, your argument is invalid. Babs is doing the best with what he is given, like it or not, we HAVE to contend with a 23 man roster, so when our roster players are healthy, the GR guys get sent down. That is just the way it is, Holland isn't going to let babs waive our roster players to keep an ahl guy up, as much as we all may want that, he won't give our guys away for free. This is how hockey works, so stop acting like a 6 year old kid, who doesn't get every toy he wants...

 

Good point.  That's why Tatar needs to be a top 6 player.  He scored on the lower lines.   

 

I'm merely saying that Nyquist shouldn't be punished for not scoring on the lower lines.  

 

And Tatar has somehow been punished for playing well.  For a team trying to make the playoffs, don't you think Tatar should be up right now, instead of helping GR win games?  How is that an example of Babcock doing the best he can?  Tatar was sent down before Sammy came back from injury (not that he should send anyone down).  


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 09:00 PM

Good point.  That's why Tatar needs to be a top 6 player.  He scored on the lower lines.   

 

I'm merely saying that Nyquist shouldn't be punished for not scoring on the lower lines.  

 

And Tatar has somehow been punished for playing well.  For a team trying to make the playoffs, don't you think Tatar should be up right now, instead of helping GR win games?  How is that an example of Babcock doing the best he can?  Tatar was sent down before Sammy came back from injury (not that he should send anyone down).  

 

He was sent down to make room for helm, who was supposed to be returning, before his untimely setback. Babcock cannot send down roster players without GM approval to waive them, so yes he is doing what he can with what he has, unfortunately kenny isn't making the best decisions right now



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 09:02 PM

He was sent down to make room for helm, who was supposed to be returning, before his untimely setback. Babcock cannot send down roster players without GM approval to waive them, so yes he is doing what he can with what he has, unfortunately kenny isn't making the best decisions right now

 

I'm blaming Kenny enough.  

 

But is Kenny to blame for Dan Cleary getting more icetime than Tatar did?  And Datsyuk having to play on that awful line with him and Abdelkader?    


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 09:03 PM

I'm blaming Kenny enough.  

 

But is Kenny to blame for Dan Cleary getting more icetime than Tatar did?  And Datsyuk having to play on that awful line with him and Abdelkader?    

 

Datsyuk requested them



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 09:04 PM

Yeah....it's the players. This is a transition year and we really didn't do much to upgrade the team. I'm not blaming holland on this one ( I will on other trades) because we all know he tried to get Suter and Parise. I'd like to see us pursue Yandle and Jagr but Phoenix may want too much. After that, we just have to hope Helm and Bert come back. If not, try to get something for Fil. Babs is not the problem though.

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Posted 31 March 2013 - 09:05 PM

Datsyuk requested them

 

I'm sure it was the Vodka.  


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Posted 31 March 2013 - 09:24 PM

I'm sure it was the Vodka.  

 

Easy way to write off a fact that doesn't agree with your agenda.



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Posted 31 March 2013 - 09:25 PM

Easy way to write off a fact that doesn't agree with your agenda.

 
So you think Datsyuk actually requested them and Babcock was justified in sticking with that line for two weeks, despite their total lack of production.  
 
Brilliant. Maybe Franzen will request playing the point on the powerplay.

And what agenda do you allude to? Criticizing inexplicable lineup decisions and bad personnel moves?

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 12:32 AM

I'm not saying he should leave, however, I remember one quote he said in an interview because it stuck with me..    

 

 

The gist of it was that after 10 years, you should change things. You shouldn't do anything for more than 10 years because you get stale, your talk falls on dead ears, you should be constantly learning and doing new things, etc.   

 

 

I wonder if he's suffering from some of that?   I can't find a link to the interview, but I know it happened about 3 to 4 years ago. It was right around the time I hit 10 years at work and it actually made me stop and reassess what I was doing. 

 

 

 

**BTW, he was in his 6th year as coach when he signed a 4 year extension through 2014/15. Ten years.. call the Illuminati.


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 12:47 AM

 
So you think Datsyuk actually requested them and Babcock was justified in sticking with that line for two weeks, despite their total lack of production.  

 

They rarely scored, yes, and I didn't like the line at all. That said, they very rarely got scored on either. Babcock was, at the time, going with a highly defensive game, and that line did a very good job of shutting down the opposition's top line.

 

Brilliant. Maybe Franzen will request playing the point on the powerplay.

 

Franzen isn't Datsyuk.


And what agenda do you allude to? Criticizing inexplicable lineup decisions and bad personnel moves?

 

You've got a very pessimistic view of the team, one that I disagree with.



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:00 AM

I think the Wings have way above average talent that is not being utilized to it's potential



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:04 AM


I think the Wings have way above average talent that is not being utilized to it's potential


We've got talent rotting in the minors while over-the-hill players like Cleary can't skate a shift without falling on his ass.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:10 AM

We've got talent rotting in the minors while over-the-hill players like Cleary can't skate a shift without falling on his ass.

 

Yep, this much I agree with. It's a shame about Cleary. He was one of my favorites.



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 01:58 AM

We've got talent rotting in the minors while over-the-hill players like Cleary can't skate a shift without falling on his ass.

 

If Huskins can get a conditional 7th pick, Cleary should be worth more than waiving.....yes?  :confused:



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:28 PM

 
So you think Datsyuk actually requested them and Babcock was justified in sticking with that line for two weeks, despite their total lack of production.  
 
Brilliant. Maybe Franzen will request playing the point on the powerplay.

And what agenda do you allude to? Criticizing inexplicable lineup decisions and bad personnel moves?

 

yes, Datsyuk said himself he liked playing with cleary and abby cause they opened up space for him. 

 

Franzen can't get whatever he wants because he doesn't do enough for this team, whereas Pasha is a superstar, so he is allowed to choose the two players on his wing. Why do you think Bert has been on his wing the past couple seasons even when he isn't producing much. It is no coincidence he has Bertuzzi and Franzen on his wings regularly  he likes having big guys out there. Abby and cleary were his best options available to him for that.



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:51 PM

Reading through a lot of these it got me thinking:

 

Does anyone think that Babcock is the reason that Holland doesn't make the big gutsy moves? I mean, from what's been said Babcock is a guy who can take depth guys and make them perform above and beyond themselves each night. So why does Holland have to try and shift everything around to bring in a big name when he can rotate the role guys and get the same results/wait for some rookies to develop? With this in mind, would changing Babcock force Holland's hand to bring in new players, or is it time to get a GM that listens to the demands of his coach? Or do we just leave it and keep qualifying into the post-season whilst looking for the 'right' deal to come along?

 

Conversation starter so please don't have a go at me for suggesting it.

 

EDIT: Also personally I don't think Ruff is an option since we have a great coach, not all that much is wrong, and Yzerman with all his problems in Tampa (I've been out there for the last three weeks and there's a LOT of problems) passed on him... although Yzerman seems a little insane :P which I personally like in a Manager/Coach/etc


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 06:30 PM

yes, Datsyuk said himself he liked playing with cleary and abby cause they opened up space for him. 

 

Franzen can't get whatever he wants because he doesn't do enough for this team, whereas Pasha is a superstar, so he is allowed to choose the two players on his wing. Why do you think Bert has been on his wing the past couple seasons even when he isn't producing much. It is no coincidence he has Bertuzzi and Franzen on his wings regularly  he likes having big guys out there. Abby and cleary were his best options available to him for that.

 

Babcock should be the coach of this team, not Datsyuk.  In a shortened season, you can't give a line several weeks to gel together.    


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 11:11 PM

Babcock is not the reason for this team not clicking. It's management and we don't have the right product on the ice in order to win a championship. We don't need new coaches or Goaltending. We need a 1st-2nd line forward and a stay at home defensemen. 


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