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#21 nyqvististhefuture

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:33 PM

A chance at the cup is worth more to me. I'd rather not waste yet another year of datsyuks prime. If we sell we might as well go all out.

 

 

if youd think with your head rather than your heart youd know this current team doesnt have the chance to win the cup we'd need significant upgrades by wednesday



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

Clean out the old now, stock up on picks, pursue one or two guns for offense this summer, snag a top pairing D man.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:38 PM

I've liked Flip for years. He has the potential to be so good, but he just hasn't proved he'll get there.  He's good defensively with quick hands and some nice moves. His shot is better than you think, but he almost never shoots anyway. He has flashes of Datsyuk-like brilliance, but then those few moments are overshadowed by him trying to make too many moves or passes. 

 

He's a great player, but comparing him to other centers playing for around $5 dollars doesn't work out. Other forwards with a $5 or so cap hit are:

 

Bobby Ryan

Ryan Kesler

Patrice Bergeron

James Neal

Mike Ribeiro

 

Flip just hasn't proved that he is as good as these guys. He isn't there yet, and is running out of time to get to that level. 

 

I've wanted to keep him, but at $5 million? No. Not when he could be packaged for someone better. Flip + a defenseman + a pick would get a much better player than Flip currently is. Thats a solid package. Sure, it isn't gonna get Ovechkin or Weber. But it could make the Rangers or Ducks think about giving up Gaborik or Ryan. We need a solid #1-2 defenseman and a scorer. Depth on the bottom six? We're good. Get Helm back and our bottom six is taken to a new level. 



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:43 PM

I've liked Flip for years. He has the potential to be so good, but he just hasn't proved he'll get there.  He's good defensively with quick hands and some nice moves. His shot is better than you think, but he almost never shoots anyway. He has flashes of Datsyuk-like brilliance, but then those few moments are overshadowed by him trying to make too many moves or passes. 
 
He's a great player, but comparing him to other centers playing for around $5 dollars doesn't work out. Other forwards with a $5 or so cap hit are:
 
Bobby Ryan
Ryan Kesler
Patrice Bergeron
James Neal
Mike Ribeiro
 
Flip just hasn't proved that he is as good as these guys. He isn't there yet, and is running out of time to get to that level. 
 
I've wanted to keep him, but at $5 million? No. Not when he could be packaged for someone better. Flip + a defenseman + a pick would get a much better player than Flip currently is. Thats a solid package. Sure, it isn't gonna get Ovechkin or Weber. But it could make the Rangers or Ducks think about giving up Gaborik or Ryan. We need a solid #1-2 defenseman and a scorer. Depth on the bottom six? We're good. Get Helm back and our bottom six is taken to a new level. 

Pretty sure Ryan is a wing on getzlaf line right now?

And fil is worth 5m when he plays his position!! He is a center not a winger. And having him with dats or z is a waste. They're playmakers not finishers.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:44 PM

The Wings have no realistic chance at the cup this season. The lack of scoring depth, the defense looking lost in some games, and Howard not being an elite goalie all add up to the Wings being bounced early if they even make the playoffs.


Ok then trade everyone of value.

We either go all in or not. We can play well, we are just inconsistent. If you want them to be sellers and then force a rebuild that we likely not make us a contender until after datsyuk retires I understand. But I'd rather try and make this team better, I really don't think that we have no chance. I think we have a chance, not a good one, but the potential is there.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:50 PM

Ok then trade everyone of value.

We either go all in or not. We can play well, we are just inconsistent. If you want them to be sellers and then force a rebuild that we likely not make us a contender until after datsyuk retires I understand. But I'd rather try and make this team better, I really don't think that we have no chance. I think we have a chance, not a good one, but the potential is there.


That's the ting though a rebuild does make us better.


Who is better to have on the ice/team?

Bwrt, Sammy Colo, white, eaves, miller
Or
Nyquist,Tatar, sheahan maybe, Anderson, emmerton, smith, kind


By cutting the dead weight and trading dats franzen and helm if he gets healthy, and resign or trade fil would set this team up for a LONG time. But instead you people insist on being mediocre. I just don't get it.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:52 PM

I've liked Flip for years. He has the potential to be so good, but he just hasn't proved he'll get there.  He's good defensively with quick hands and some nice moves. His shot is better than you think, but he almost never shoots anyway. He has flashes of Datsyuk-like brilliance, but then those few moments are overshadowed by him trying to make too many moves or passes. 

 

He's a great player, but comparing him to other centers playing for around $5 dollars doesn't work out. Other forwards with a $5 or so cap hit are:

 

Bobby Ryan

Ryan Kesler

Patrice Bergeron

James Neal

Mike Ribeiro

 

Flip just hasn't proved that he is as good as these guys. He isn't there yet, and is running out of time to get to that level. 

 

I've wanted to keep him, but at $5 million? No. Not when he could be packaged for someone better. Flip + a defenseman + a pick would get a much better player than Flip currently is. Thats a solid package. Sure, it isn't gonna get Ovechkin or Weber. But it could make the Rangers or Ducks think about giving up Gaborik or Ryan. We need a solid #1-2 defenseman and a scorer. Depth on the bottom six? We're good. Get Helm back and our bottom six is taken to a new level. 

Great first post. I agree completely. If I'm Holland and I'm at the negotiation table - I use these contracts along with the fact that the cap has dropped to point out that Flip is not a 5mill player. If he still thinks he is that valuable then we ship him out in a package for something of value. The WORST thing Holland can do is start handing out overpaid contracts to players and capstrapping this team. He has done enough with signing veterans with NTCs.


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:54 PM

You don't with win with talent alone, or else Edmonton would be favorites.

Veteran contribution is an important factor.

I'm not saying go out and buy rentals, but making a move for a proven player that will contribute now, with datsyuk is what I would do.

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:56 PM

Pretty sure Ryan is a wing on getzlaf line right now?

And fil is worth 5m when he plays his position!! He is a center not a winger. And having him with dats or z is a waste. They're playmakers not finishers.


Filppula can't carry his own line offensively at center. He needed Z last season to finally have his breakthrough performance. I think Fil is a solid two-way player, but he isn't worth five million per year. Especially given his dismal production so far this season.
 
 
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:58 PM

Filppula can't carry his own line offensively at center. He needed Z last season to finally have his breakthrough performance. I think Fil is a solid two-way player, but he isn't worth five million per year. Especially given his dismal production so far this season.

Ya I don't see what leverage he has. Jarnkrok will replace him if he holds out and gets traded. 


Is there a kickstarter campaign for Jakub Kindl to never play another NHL game?


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:00 PM

Pretty sure Ryan is a wing on getzlaf line right now?

And fil is worth 5m when he plays his position!! He is a center not a winger. And having him with dats or z is a waste. They're playmakers not finishers.

 

He's got great speed as a winger, and is a great passer. I just cant see him as being worth the same as Kesler or Bergeron... Maybe try Him with Datsyuk and Abs? Still too many passers with no sniper. I'd much rather have him do well here that have to package him for someone else. I'm hoping he can start shooting a bit more and stop trying to make one more pass every time he gets the puck.

 

I put Ryan in there because he always seems to be on the trade block. He'd be a good fit here. Though don't we say that about nearly everyone? 



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:04 PM

Ok then trade everyone of value.

We either go all in or not. We can play well, we are just inconsistent. If you want them to be sellers and then force a rebuild that we likely not make us a contender until after datsyuk retires I understand. But I'd rather try and make this team better, I really don't think that we have no chance. I think we have a chance, not a good one, but the potential is there.

That part i agree with. But im not on board with the all in or not.



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:04 PM

i know clowe has 0 goals but i know hes gonna bounce back and hes the type of physical gritty guy we need and hes apparently about to get traded and flyers are the frontrunners ... ughh dont know how philadelphia keeps doing it



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:04 PM

Great first post. I agree completely. If I'm Holland and I'm at the negotiation table - I use these contracts along with the fact that the cap has dropped to point out that Flip is not a 5mill player. If he still thinks he is that valuable then we ship him out in a package for something of value. The WORST thing Holland can do is start handing out overpaid contracts to players and capstrapping this team. He has done enough with signing veterans with NTCs.

 

Thanks! I've been lurking and reading since '08, but never got around to posting. For him to be worth $5 million he needs a sniper alongside him. 



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:05 PM

i know clowe has 0 goals but i know hes gonna bounce back and hes the type of physical gritty guy we need and hes apparently about to get traded and flyers are the frontrunners ... ughh dont know how philadelphia keeps doing it

 

keeps doing what? losing? picking up washed up guys?



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:14 PM

Team is changing guys. It's right in frot of all of us. We are going to be that Boston Bruins style of team in 2 years. Sheahan Helm Andersson, Zetterberg will be our centers. This is it for the puck possession type of game. It's going to be a tough grinding game. Enjoy it while it lasts. Flip is not apart of that type of game. Trade him get something for him either now or at the draft in June.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:19 PM

keeps doing what? losing? picking up washed up guys?

 

 

trading for players  ... and yes voracek is washed up .... simmonds is washed up ... jagr sucked when they got him , hartnell sucks ... pronger sucked when they got him ... your right all washed up

 

 

the one thing i admire about paul holmgren is hes not afraid to make a deal when he needs to



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:28 PM

trading for players  ... and yes voracek is washed up .... simmonds is washed up ... jagr sucked when they got him , hartnell sucks ... pronger sucked when they got him ... your right all washed up

 

 

the one thing i admire about paul holmgren is hes not afraid to make a deal when he needs to

 

he has 13 defensemen according to cap geek, he could roll 4 lines with his d-core and still have an alternate, yet he can't seem to find 6 dmen to do there job... he pays Bryz way more then he is worth. I would rather have holland as our gm, and babs as a coach any day



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:32 PM

if youd think with your head rather than your heart youd know this current team doesnt have the chance to win the cup we'd need significant upgrades by wednesday

 

This right here.

 

The Wings are in transition.  They are geared to make the playoffs, and thats it.


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 03:38 PM

Chances for a cup???????
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