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#21 DetroitRedWings1993

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:07 PM

 
Cleary, Bertuzzi can only be considered bad deals if you look at it with a hindsight perspective (both have factored in well to our team prior to their current deals); Sammy and Colaiacovo are bad deals only due to their long injury time (they've played less than 10 games between them if I'm not mistaken); and Gustavsson has played perfectly fine as far as being a backup goalie goes, he's had bad games but I blame lapses from the team as a whole rather than him as an individual. I don't see how we are not going to the playoffs with the team we have... we currently sit 7th and 3 points out of 4th, 4 points ahead of 9th. We can go up or down depending on how the players play, even with this team as is. 

 
 

Our "prospects" made up a good chunk of our team if you didn't notice. Andersson has been great in his role, Tatar scored a few on a team that severely lacks in offense, Emmerton has done fine, Nyquist needs size but he's fine; Lashoff and Smith are a huge part of the reason we aren't bottom dwellers. Sure they're not superstars ala Zetterberg and Datsyuk, but I am not so sure they were ever expected to be the next "Euro Twins" 

 

Basically, we don't stand a chance at winning a cup if we don't add to our team, but there is absolutely no reason in the world why we should trade away our future and just delay a rebuilding phase another year, maybe even making it worse in the process. I doubt Holland will be able to make anything big happen tomorrow, but that doesn't mean we won't be making the playoffs. 

Ok...

 

Everyone around us in the standings, with the possible exception of St. Louis, has started to heat up and stands to add.  We are staying the same with everyone around us getting better.  We were high enough in the standings last year that we could stand the type of hideous collapse we had.

 

Simply put, that's a recipe for missing the playoffs.

 

Smith has been either ineffective or terrible in his own zone.  He has supremely disappointed me.  A guy with his talent SHOULD NOT be as invisible as he is on a nightly basis.

 

You don't have to trade away your future.  One prospect and a draft pick IS NOT the future.  If that's the case, the farm system is EXTREMELY shallow.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:07 PM

A team that is a combined 4-1 against Anaheim and Vancouver isn't a contender?  A team that has beaten L.A., Minnesota, San Jose, and St. Louis isn't a contender?  A team that has stayed in the playoffs virtually all season without most of their regular lineup isn't a contender?  A team that has an improving defense and solid goaltending isn't a contender? A team with Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg in the top-6 isn't a contender?

 

You see where I'm going.  And no.  People don't complain just to complain.  They complain because when they see s***, they point it out.

 

There ARE players available.  Drew Stafford could help.  Fleischmann, Pominville and Gaborik could all help.

 

The playoffs are a guaranteed bust even if we make it.  And with what's happened lately, I see us crashing and burning FAR outside the playoff bubble.

 

No the Wings aren't a contender for Lord Stanley this season, Stafford, Fleischmann, Pominvolle and even Gaborik wouldn't change that. Succesful teams are building from the net out not the other way.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:08 PM

It's absolutely true that we are not one or two solid moves from being a legit contender, but I tend to agree that that fact alone doesn't mean we shouldn't be moving towards something. By that I mean, if we're not a contender, and we're not going to land rentals on a bargain that would make us a 2nd round team, we better be trading guys like Flip for whatever we can get. If you want to do a song and dance about building your team through the draft and developing prospects, when you know that it's highly likely you're going to lose the guy for nothing, trade him now. We're not making a run this year, and the way Flip's playing lately, it wouldn't be the most horrid loss anyways. (And to be fair, this could still happen in the next 20 hours or so, I realize that, but it's looking unlikely.) 

 

This is what kills me lately about Holland and the whole situation. What he says and what he does regarding this team just seem beyond all sense and reason. You know he and everyone involved with this team knows they don't have the team to make a run unless a lot of flukey things happen and Howard turns it on and plays out of his mind. If other teams get battered and Howard gets hot, we've seen time and again that a seemingly weaker team can ride that wave a long ways in the playoffs. But you can't bet on that. So yeah, we're probably a playoff team, but we can't reasonably say we're contenders. If you're serious when you say we can't afford to leverage our future for the present, you need to move Flip by the trade deadline for whatever you can get and anyone else that a team might want that we can afford to lose. Some have suggested White. Maybe. We surely can afford to trade him for a later-round pick in 2014 if someone actually wants him, because lately he's watched games from the press box and he's not likely to be brought back.

 

I'm fine that Holland didn't land Jagr. If cheaper, it would've been nice as it gives us more of a shot if Howard were to heat up in the playoffs, but he wasn't worth the price. I shrugged and thought nothing of it when Iginla was traded to the Pens. I had no real opinion about Bouwmeester; I saw upsides and downsides. All in all, I'm not thinking that it was a bad move to skip out on the bigger names available right now. But in doing that, you have to be honest about what it means to this team's immediate future, because your overachieving team didn't improve at all while all the legit contenders just got even better. If you're serious about how you believe you have to build a team in the cap era, you unload Flip at the very least right now. I keep running it through my head in different ways and trying to see both sides of it, but I see no other options. If you have the team we have now, and you basically are giving up on improving it at the deadline, you have to do what you can to move assets so you might be able to improve it in the future.

 

That is, unless you truly don't know what you want to do with this team, which I fear more and more to be the case as time goes on.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

malik is absolutely clueless.  disregard anything he posts that isn't regurgitated from someone else.



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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

Is there any good way to go about this? How close are the Wings right now to being contenders? If they do make a big splash at the deadline, is it going to be big enough for them to have a chance against Chicago, Pittsburgh or Boston in the playoffs? I love the excitement of a trade as much as the next person, but if there is nothing out there that is going to take you to the next level then why force something just to do so? This is a deep draft coming up, so no one is going to want to part with picks either. The Wings do have a bunch of bad contracts on their hands right now, so why would anyone want to take them on? No one wants to give up any decent prospects to get anything and if they do, especially for a rental, it's going to be meltdown city on here. There is no winning here. I'm not in love with the 2012 offseason, but Holland tried... bringing Sammy back was absolutely unnecessary and the Coca sign was high risk/low reward and that's what it ended up being, and Monster has been just bad... but Brunner and Tootoo have both been great for the Wings.
 
Everyone is on Bert and Sammy's asses, but why is everyone okay with Helm constantly being injured? He's not even the age of these guys. Maybe they should try to move Helm.
 
I'm not trying to be a contrarian here, but people complain just to complain. I don't think there is enough the Wings can do to become legit contenders, so if they can't find a deal... let them go into the offseason and see when they can do there. It's a short season, few teams are out of it at this point so it's not like everyone is going to be shopping everyone like they would in a full season.
 
My hopes are that the Wings make it to the playoffs for a 22nd straight year and give me extra Wings hockey to watch into hopefully the second round.



Yes. You plan for the 2015 season and beyond. Anyone not in plans for that season and beyond can and should be moved. Allowing young guys to play. People need to get past their fandom of not moving certain players. Holding into to guys and letting them walk for nothing is STUPID. Dats and film should both be traded or resign now. Clearly has no value. Sammy and Bert don't either...injured and ntc. I would move helm if he ever got healthy to be traded.


But like I said Holland has the heart of fan. He is in love with players and fails to move them when they need to be.



Then the reverse side if you want to go all in which you can do. It means. You end up trading a handful of defense prospects, Nyquist, Tatar, or some picks. But this team is at least three players away from being a legit contender. Its possible but not likely. That's why selling IMO is the better option.

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:13 PM

I agree the time to unload Filpulla and White is going to be tomorrow! The prices will never be that high again and there is a good chance of getting a first and second for this duo back, at least Holland has to try it.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:14 PM

Can't wait to see what Crymson has to say...

 

It's funny that you ask this. I was writing a post---it would have been the first response---and then halfway through decided that it just wasn't worth it. I've been doing that quite a bit on here lately; I'm finding myself more inclined to ignore opinions I consider completely absurd than I am to respond to them. Because why bother?

 

That said, thank you for the shout out; I'm glad I'm so notorious as a positive voice here.

 

Edit: hey, why not ask a couple of questions anyway? Here goes! OP: first off, what will you do if the Wings succeed, in spite of your guarantee (whatever that's worth) to the contrary, in making the playoffs. And second, what, exactly, is so novel to you about great players residing on non-contender teams?


Edited by Crymson, 02 April 2013 - 04:19 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:17 PM

I mostly agree. This is a different era of managing a team and Holland hasn't fully adapted. It is getting harder and harder to steal quality players from someone else and if you don't draft exceptionally well - then you have to overpay for a quality FA or give up some middle-of-the-road prospects and picks to take a chance on a proven commodity (even short term).

 

Well, he refuses to overpay for a quality player in FA, but certainly loves to fatten up the contracts of role players. For example, he wouldn't sign Jagr or Semin to expensive 1 year deals - but will give useless inflated contracts to injury prone and role players like Samuelsson and Colaiacovo looking for "value" that end up making roughly the same amount as one "star" player. Why? Because Cleary flourished here on a chance.

 

It would make much more sense to tie up some short term money in a star player and have to cut dead weight later if there are cap problems and let your coveted young prospects (that he refuses to trade) get some playing time. Instead he loses out on quality players, pays a ton for mediocre players, lets prospects overripe in the minors instead of gain NHL tangible value, and wastes the remaining years of our star players.... waiting... for something miraculous to happen. In the end he just says, "Aw shucks, we kicked some tires, but apparently you have to actually be willing to give something up".

 

Truthfully, injuries have been the best GM we've had this season. It forced out the useless older players and gave our prospects time to shine. Although, thats the good and bad of it because Holland is like Golem and now Tatar, Nyquist, Andersson, and Lashoff have become the preciousssssss Wings property- which he would never let any go in order to upgrade NOW.

 

And let's go to the other extreme. Since he's not willing to wheel and deal, spend some money on FA, or let go of old players - then at least start a true rebuild and get some draft picks with our soon to be UFAs or redundant players.

 

You won't win in this league by being middle of the road.

 

PS - save the Hossa talk because we all know that Holland literally did NOTHING to make that happen.

 

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:20 PM

It's funny that you ask this. I was writing a post---it would have been the first response---and then halfway through decided that it just wasn't worth it. I've been doing that quite a bit on here lately; I'm finding myself more inclined to ignore opinions I consider completely absurd than I am to respond to them. Because why bother?

 

That said, thank you for the shout out; I'm glad I'm so notorious as a positive voice here.

Oh - gee thanks for making me look like an ass for not responding to the op...Then again I don't need help looking like an ass :paperbag3:



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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:21 PM

PS - save the Hossa talk because we all know that Holland literally did NOTHING to make that happen.

 

Given that Holland constructed the team that Hossa felt gave him the best chance to win the Cup, how could he NOT have factored into Hossa's decision to sign here? Though it would not be accurate to say the precise of opposite of what you have---that Holland did literally EVERYTHING to make it happen---that claim would be infinitely closer to the truth than yours.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:22 PM

Many posters on this forum seem to think that anyone is available to be traded for, and there is a market for anyone the Wings would want to trade away. This isn't the case.

 

When evaluating Holland not making a move, you have to look at the players moved and consider if the Wings should have made a similar offer for that player. So far, none of the trades would have elevated the Wings this season, or helped the team immensely next season.

 

Further, White and/or Cola being expendable does not mean other teams want to give up assets for them. Most teams have enough 5th/6th/7th D in their system that can fill-in if needed, and the only defensemen traded this week were better than White and Cola (size and grit for Regehr and Murray, and skill for J Bo). What contenders have defenses that would be greatly improved by trading for White or Cola?

 

For Flip, what do the Wings do at center if Z is injured more than a few days?



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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:27 PM

A team that is a combined 4-1 against Anaheim and Vancouver isn't a contender?  A team that has beaten L.A., Minnesota, San Jose, and St. Louis isn't a contender?  A team that has stayed in the playoffs virtually all season without most of their regular lineup isn't a contender?  A team that has an improving defense and solid goaltending isn't a contender? A team with Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg in the top-6 isn't a contender?

 

You see where I'm going.  And no.  People don't complain just to complain.  They complain because when they see s***, they point it out.

 

There ARE players available.  Drew Stafford could help.  Fleischmann, Pominville and Gaborik could all help.

 

The playoffs are a guaranteed bust even if we make it.  And with what's happened lately, I see us crashing and burning FAR outside the playoff bubble.

 

This team that you see as a contender is currently in 7th place in a dogfight with most of the Western Conference for a spot from anywhere to 3 - 7. I mentioned Chicago, Pittsburgh and Boston who are believed to be the top 3 Cup contenders. I didn't mention Vancouver, SJ, Minnesota or LA, wich while they've beat all of these teams, they've also been beat by all of them as well (except for Vancouver) and have also lost to some great teams like Columbus, Calgary and Colorado.

 

There are players out there that can help, but for what teams are expecting out of the Wings for them, is it really worth giving up top prospects or draft picks for?

 

Also, it's fantastic that you make it a point to call them contenders in your post becaus they've beat a handful of teams as is then contradict yourself in your last line saying they're going to crash and burn, if they get into the playoffs.



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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:36 PM

Given that Holland constructed the team that Hossa felt gave him the best chance to win the Cup, how could he NOT have factored into Hossa's decision to sign here? Though it would not be accurate to say the precise of opposite of what you have---that Holland did literally EVERYTHING to make it happen---that claim would be infinitely closer to the truth than yours.

 

We're going to play the semantics game? C'mon.

 

You know exactly what I am saying. Not all players/agents are going to be proactive to sign a one year deal like that - in fact I think it is safe to say that is pretty rare. Holland was lucky that the stars aligned that day and they decided to call him while he was pumping gas. So, we're just going to hope Holland continues to construct a Stanley Cup team by waiting for star players to approach him? That sounds like a fantastic approach.

 

Also, I stand by what I said - he literally did nothing to make it happen. He didn't construct the team in order to sign a player like Hossa.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:44 PM

Let's look at the top teams that appear to have a roster deep enough to make a run for the Cup.

 

From the West:

Blackhawks: Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Sharp.

Canucks: Sedins 1 and 2, Kesler, and a group of solid-to-good defensemen. 

Ducks: Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan, Selanne.

Wild: Koivu, Heatley, Parise, Suter. 

Kings: Kopitar, Brown, Richards, Carter, Doughty, Quick.

 

From the East:

Penguins: Crosby, Malkin, Iginla, Kunitz, Neal, Letang.

Bruins: Bergeron, Horton, Krejci, Seguin, Lucic, Marchand, Chara.

Rangers: Callahan, Gaborik, Nash, Richards, Mcdonagh, Lundqvuist. 

 

For the Red Wings?

 

Datsyuk, Zetterberg,...

 

Our big guys need help. Datsyuk can't carry the entire team himself. No one can.  It's a team sport, and we don't have a solid team as a whole. Our bottom six can compete with most any other team. 

 

Our top six struggles. If we ice a line of Dats, Z, and (insert body here) like we used to, we've got a soft second line. We need a solid scoring top 6 player. Vanek, Gaborik, Eriksson, Ryan. Any of those guys would help, just to name a few possible options (pipe dreams?). We have two solid centermen! Then need a bit of help, though. 

 

On defense? Kronwall is not a #1 defenseman. He could be a great #2. But he needs someone there to make him better. Yandle? Myers? Either would help immensely. Whichever one would give us something to build around in the back end, while what we have currently are a bunch of good blocks with no cornerstone.

 

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:45 PM

Ok...

 

Everyone around us in the standings, with the possible exception of St. Louis, has started to heat up and stands to add.  We are staying the same with everyone around us getting better.  We were high enough in the standings last year that we could stand the type of hideous collapse we had.

 

Simply put, that's a recipe for missing the playoffs.

 

Smith has been either ineffective or terrible in his own zone.  He has supremely disappointed me.  A guy with his talent SHOULD NOT be as invisible as he is on a nightly basis.

 

You don't have to trade away your future.  One prospect and a draft pick IS NOT the future.  If that's the case, the farm system is EXTREMELY shallow.

You mean columbus who is 5-2-3 in their last ten? Edmonton 6-2-2? St. Louis is 5-5-0, Detroit is 6-4-0. Nashville is 3-5-2 and that's the closest teams behind us. Those ahead of us are roughly the same through their last ten. We had a great road trip this past week, Howard has had one bad game in the last month, I don't see this "collapse" that you do. 



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Posted 02 April 2013 - 04:48 PM

We're going to play the semantics game? C'mon.

 

You know exactly what I am saying. Not all players/agents are going to be proactive to sign a one year deal like that - in fact I think it is safe to say that is pretty rare. Holland was lucky that the stars aligned that day and they decided to call him while he was pumping gas. So, we're just going to hope Holland continues to construct a Stanley Cup team by waiting for star players to approach him? That sounds like a fantastic approach.

 

So it was all luck, huh? He had NOTHING to do with it? If you'd like to talk semantics, then I'll remind you of the theoretical impossibility that Holland was an absent factor.

 

Also, I stand by what I said - he literally did nothing to make it happen. He didn't construct the team in order to sign a player like Hossa.

 

He constructed a team that star players were interested in being a part of.



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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:17 PM

So it was all luck, huh? He had NOTHING to do with it? If you'd like to talk semantics, then I'll remind you of the theoretical impossibility that Holland was an absent factor.

 

 

He constructed a team that star players were interested in being a part of.

 

 

Whatever lets you sleep at night. I forgot about all those star players throwing themselves at us the year before and following because of the Holland factor - it was like fish jumping out of the water into Holland's boat - what a great fisherman he was!

 

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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:22 PM

Whatever lets you sleep at night. I forgot about all those star players throwing themselves at us the year before and following because of the Holland factor - it was like fish jumping out of the water into Holland's boat - what a great fisherman he was!

 

The Hossa signing happens whether Popeye is the GM at the time, or my fat cat Bubba is on the phones.

 

I was going to write a response, but I realized that it would be a waste of effort.


Edited by Crymson, 02 April 2013 - 05:22 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:22 PM

If anyone here believes Twitter, Dave Waddell and George Malik, do yourself a favor and sleep through the rest of today and all of Wednesday.

 

I saw a very interesting comment on one of Malik's blog posts today.  Not only that, but I totally agree with it.

 

From PaulInMiamiBeach:

I’m so sick of this “you can’t fix it all at once, so don’t fix any of it at all” attitude.  That is a recipe for failure.

 

He hit it right on the head for me.

 

Not only that, but I believe it was kipwinger who shared pretty much the same sentiment.  Doing nothing makes us just as worse as making a bad deal does.  This team is full of bad deals.  Cleary, Bertuzzi, Sammuelsson, Quincey, Colaiacovo, Gustavsson, the list goes on.  If we emerge from this trade deadline the same team, this team is going nowhere.  Not even to the playoffs.  Nowhere.  But, we already knew that, didn't we?

 

This season wasn't always a "rebuilding/transitional" year.  Off the topic, but transitioning to what?  Mediocrity?  Becoming an awful team for several decades?  What's the end result?  It honestly frightens me to think about it.  Anyways, this season only became such when the team failed to do much of anything in free agency.  At that point, management cut off their own collective manhood, threw their hands in the air, and gave up.  At least, that's the way I see it.

 

Also, I'd like to address some ridiculous and false optimism.  People cite the lowering of the cap next season and say how many great players will be available because of cap-compliance buyouts.

 

Sorry, but that's the biggest crock on Earth.

 

Do people really think that quality players will be bought out?

 

That's hilarious.  No one is going to buy out key pieces, people.  Certainly not a top-6 scoring forward who can consistently score goals.  That's the reality of it.  People think all these players are going to fall right into our lap.

 

Not only that, but wasn't that the mantra last summer?  See how that turned out.

 

So, by all means Kenny, do nothing.  I just hope your prepared for another firestorm from everyone around you afterwards.  I would've thought you'd be sick of that already.

 

Our prospects aren't nearly as good as everyone seems to think.  I've seen Tatar and Nyquist...and I'm not impressed.  They've fallen victim to scouting.  Teams know them, and I'd say that's about it for them.  Our farm system is almost entirely boom-or-bust.  See the dramatic peaks and valleys of a lot of their past performances.  Jarnkrok and Pulkinnen, especially.

 

So, I guess tomorrow's a waste of time.  Great.  It'll be fun watching this team spiral out of control and crash in a flaming heap outside the playoff window.

 

I guess you didn't watch the last two games on NBC? Pierre McGuire was talking about all our prospects on "D", and how we're a team on the rise.


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Posted 02 April 2013 - 05:29 PM

Let's look at the top teams that appear to have a roster deep enough to make a run for the Cup.

 

From the West:

Blackhawks: Kane, Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Sharp.

Canucks: Sedins 1 and 2, Kesler, and a group of solid-to-good defensemen. 

Ducks: Getzlaf, Perry, Ryan, Selanne.

Wild: Koivu, Heatley, Parise, Suter. 

Kings: Kopitar, Brown, Richards, Carter, Doughty, Quick.

 

From the East:

Penguins: Crosby, Malkin, Iginla, Kunitz, Neal, Letang.

Bruins: Bergeron, Horton, Krejci, Seguin, Lucic, Marchand, Chara.

Rangers: Callahan, Gaborik, Nash, Richards, Mcdonagh, Lundqvuist. 

 

For the Red Wings?

 

Datsyuk, Zetterberg,...

 

Our big guys need help. Datsyuk can't carry the entire team himself. No one can.  It's a team sport, and we don't have a solid team as a whole. Our bottom six can compete with most any other team. 

 

Our top six struggles. If we ice a line of Dats, Z, and (insert body here) like we used to, we've got a soft second line. We need a solid scoring top 6 player. Vanek, Gaborik, Eriksson, Ryan. Any of those guys would help, just to name a few possible options (pipe dreams?). We have two solid centermen! Then need a bit of help, though. 

 

On defense? Kronwall is not a #1 defenseman. He could be a great #2. But he needs someone there to make him better. Yandle? Myers? Either would help immensely. Whichever one would give us something to build around in the back end, while what we have currently are a bunch of good blocks with no cornerstone.

 

Sorry for the uber-long post. Hope it made at least some sense! 

 

I think you're drastically undervaluing some of the Wings players in order to make this list.

 

Both Franzen and Brunner have produced at essentially equal or better rates than many players on your list including, Heatley, Selanne, Hossa, Sharp, Carter, Brown, Richards, Iginla, Horton, Lucic, Callahan, Gaborik and Richards.

 

Offensively Kronwall has outplayed every defenceman on your list but Suter and Letang. Kronwalls deficiency is his defence, and the 2 guys you suggest acquiring are actually worse defensively than he is.

 

Then in net you list Quick who has the worst Sv% of all starting goalies in the entire league, and who trails Howard in every single goalie stat.

 

Detroits list of depth should read

 

Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Kronwall, Brunner and Howard.

 

Still isn't likely to get us the cup, but definitely better than you make it seem.







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