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#61 gcom007

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:34 PM

Am I the only one that thinks this team might actually be worse off getting Sammy and Bert back? Helm I'll gladly take back any day, but there's more to a team's success than individuals. I think chemistry has a lot to do with it, and I think some of the younger guys the last few years filling in have lead to better overall chemistry compared to the lack of chemistry the team often dealt with while playing with the healthy lineup. It remains to be seen what will happen when and if they come back, but given their age and what I've seen the last couple years, I'm definitely not convinced we'll really be a better team with them in the lineup, despite what logic might suggest.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:04 PM

Am I the only one that thinks this team might actually be worse off getting Sammy and Bert back? Helm I'll gladly take back any day, but there's more to a team's success than individuals. I think chemistry has a lot to do with it, and I think some of the younger guys the last few years filling in have lead to better overall chemistry compared to the lack of chemistry the team often dealt with while playing with the healthy lineup. It remains to be seen what will happen when and if they come back, but given their age and what I've seen the last couple years, I'm definitely not convinced we'll really be a better team with them in the lineup, despite what logic might suggest.

 

I think Bert can still contribute somewhat, especially in shootouts. He still can provide some grit and make some offensive plays. I've never really understood signing Sammy. He doesn't do much that benefits the team and I think his spot would better be filled by an up and coming kid getting experience. 



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:32 PM

I'm kind of feeling the vibe that our fans are as dumb as they think they're GM is, if not dumber. All the years we've been pegged "too old", now in the next three years we will be "too young" We've got guys like Sammy, Bert, Cleary, and White. A guy like Bert and Cleary..yes they are washed up, but you can't just make them walk the plank. You gotta at least let them finish the contracts they've signed and try to get production out of them. That's why they play on top lines. They aren't going to produce or be effective on bottom lines, where as the young guys will benefit no matter where they are put in the lineup. Its obvious that Holland doesn't favor putting inexperienced young players right into the lineup and frankly, that's the right idea. They've got to grow into adulthood as well as mature as players. Over-ripening players takes care of growing pains, and they learn and grow into consistent mature adults on and off the ice before they become full time NHLers. When they make it there, they can handle themselves accordingly and adaptively unlike other sports (basketball, football) where these young kids get thrown into the mix with millions of dollars creating irresponsibility, selfishness, and immaturity inside and outside of the sport. This is a wonderful strategy we have here instead of throwing the kids right into the fire and burning out before they make it to their prime. We have tons of prospects in the system. This is a new era for the Red Wings and the NHL itself. The bulk of your team has to come from the draft whereas quick fixes and pricey add-on's come from trade and free agency. There was no trade Holland could have made that would have propelled this team into a strong contender while retaining our valuable assets. Why sell the future for more washed up old guys like Iginla or Jagr? We already have veteran presence in Bertuzzi, Cleary, Samuelsson. Maybe some of the other guys (Filpulla, Eaves, Miller, Emmerton, Mursak) will develop and create a little bit of market value for themselves by giving them the minutes on the big club while the prospects develop consistency in their overall game play and lifestyle. Moving forward, the Wings have a very bright future. And having a bright future sometimes comes at the price of a not so bright present. (we still have a playoff picture team) Some of these teams move players around at an alarming rate every year, but what they aren't doing is winning, which is why they keep making trades at the cost of draft picks and prospects to try and find the winning formula. I appreciate our build from with-in strategy. I'm proud to be a Red Wings fan. Have patience. This year and next will be evaluation years. We've got a lot of players, and its only fair to see what they bring to the table before we overhaul them and dedicate our entire line up to developing all of our prospects at the NHL level instead of a few at a time which the Wings have been doing for years. 

 

If everyone is frantically running to the store buying pre-made cheeseburgers for 10 dollars because word got out that they were pretty good and it became trendy to satisfy your needs with pre made expensive items, Im not gonna buy one, I'm going to stay home and make my own exactly the way i want it for half the cost. 



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:35 PM

I'm kind of feeling the vibe that our fans are as dumb as they think they're GM is, if not dumber. All the years we've been pegged "too old", now in the next three years we will be "too young" We've got guys like Sammy, Bert, Cleary, and White. A guy like Bert and Cleary..yes they are washed up, but you can't just make them walk the plank. You gotta at least let them finish the contracts they've signed and try to get production out of them. That's why they play on top lines. They aren't going to produce or be effective on bottom lines, where as the young guys will benefit no matter where they are put in the lineup. Its obvious that Holland doesn't favor putting inexperienced young players right into the lineup and frankly, that's the right idea. They've got to grow into adulthood as well as mature as players. Over-ripening players takes care of growing pains, and they learn and grow into consistent mature adults on and off the ice before they become full time NHLers. When they make it there, they can handle themselves accordingly and adaptively unlike other sports (basketball, football) where these young kids get thrown into the mix with millions of dollars creating irresponsibility, selfishness, and immaturity inside and outside of the sport. This is a wonderful strategy we have here instead of throwing the kids right into the fire and burning out before they make it to their prime. We have tons of prospects in the system. This is a new era for the Red Wings and the NHL itself. The bulk of your team has to come from the draft whereas quick fixes and pricey add-on's come from trade and free agency. There was no trade Holland could have made that would have propelled this team into a strong contender while retaining our valuable assets. Why sell the future for more washed up old guys like Iginla or Jagr? We already have veteran presence in Bertuzzi, Cleary, Samuelsson. Maybe some of the other guys (Filpulla, Eaves, Miller, Emmerton, Mursak) will develop and create a little bit of market value for themselves by giving them the minutes on the big club while the prospects develop consistency in their overall game play and lifestyle. Moving forward, the Wings have a very bright future. And having a bright future sometimes comes at the price of a not so bright present. (we still have a playoff picture team) Some of these teams move players around at an alarming rate every year, but what they aren't doing is winning, which is why they keep making trades at the cost of draft picks and prospects to try and find the winning formula. I appreciate our build from with-in strategy. I'm proud to be a Red Wings fan. Have patience. This year and next will be evaluation years. We've got a lot of players, and its only fair to see what they bring to the table before we overhaul them and dedicate our entire line up to developing all of our prospects at the NHL level instead of a few at a time which the Wings have been doing for years. 

 

If everyone is frantically running to the store buying pre-made cheeseburgers for 10 dollars because word got out that they were pretty good and it became trendy to satisfy your needs with pre made expensive items, Im not gonna buy one, I'm going to stay home and make my own exactly the way i want it for half the cost. 


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