Number19 159 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 umm, not really. They hate losing Dorsett. And Brassard is currently tearing it up with New York tonight. New York might have became a better team. Gaborik also has a ton of injury history, how do you think we'd be feeling right now if his back/hip/groin started to act up? He'd fit right in. 2 esteef and Shaman reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 Lol, after all the moves the pens made, all these big splashes, and the past two games they've been outscored 9-2 so far. Sometimes its better to stand pat lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) Lol, after all the moves the pens made, all these big splashes, and the past two games they've been outscored 9-2 so far. Sometimes its better to stand pat lol Lol. And Clowe scored his first and 2nd goals of the season against them tonight in Clowe's first game as a Rag Edited April 4, 2013 by Johnz96 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 umm, not really. They hate losing Dorsett. And Brassard is currently tearing it up with New York tonight. New York might have became a better team. Gaborik also has a ton of injury history, how do you think we'd be feeling right now if his back/hip/groin started to act up? I'm not saying Columbus will be better then us for the next 5 years, but they're at least sending a message that they want to win. They have a young, hungry GM trying to prove himself. Too early to call these moves or him a disappointment. Many Wings fans are fed up with Holland and his ennui towards his job. He's basically admitting that we're not all that good. Much of it is his fault. Columbus has something to "potentially" look forward to, while we're looking forward to either missing the playoffs or getting bounced in the first round. Not to mention, what may happen with Datsyuk in the near future. It sucks. 2 Z Winged Dangler and esteef reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number19 159 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 Lol, after all the moves the pens made, all these big splashes, and the past two games they've been outscored 9-2 so far. Sometimes its better to stand pat lol And there's no way that has anything to do with the best hockey player in the world being out in those two games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 And there's no way that has anything to do with the best hockey player in the world being out in those two games. I don't buy that excuse. They did just fine the past two years without him, plus they have enough fire power they should not get blown out like that with the depth they have. This just like the rangers Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MasterPavel 115 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 I don't buy that excuse. They did just fine the past two years without him, plus they have enough fire power they should not get blown out like that with the depth they have. This just like the rangers To be fair, with all the new pieces the pens have acquired, it will take them a few games to learn how to play together. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Johnz96 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 I don't buy that excuse. They did just fine the past two years without him, plus they have enough fire power they should not get blown out like that with the depth they have. This just like the rangers No excuses needed, it happens to the best of teams. Chicago allowed 12 goals to Colorado and Edmonton in the 2 games after their streak ended. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number19 159 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 I don't buy that excuse. They did just fine the past two years without him, plus they have enough fire power they should not get blown out like that with the depth they have. This just like the rangers You're gasping at straws here. They're built for the playoff run give them time to gel, or don't who gives a ****. Are you using this as a basis that adding roster players at the trading deadline doesn't work? Are you forgetting Brad Stuart, Chelios, and Shanny? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 You're gasping at straws here. They're built for the playoff run give them time to gel, or don't who gives a ****. Are you using this as a basis that adding roster players at the trading deadline doesn't work? Are you forgetting Brad Stuart, Chelios, and Shanny? No I'm saying going crazy isn't always a good thing, especially when you are messing with the chemistry of a team that's ripping up the league Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number19 159 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 No I'm saying going crazy isn't always a good thing, especially when you are messing with the chemistry of a team that's ripping up the league Where did the Penguins go crazy? Besides a 28-30th pick they didn't give up anything of note. Joe Morrow is the only notable prospect and they're loaded with better defensive prospects anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MasterPavel 115 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 No I'm saying going crazy isn't always a good thing, especially when you are messing with the chemistry of a team that's ripping up the league I agree with this. Shero will look stupid if they get bounced early. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number19 159 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) I agree with this. Shero will look stupid if they get bounced early. They got bounced early last year with the exact same team that went streaking. Being a powerhouse in the regular season means nothing if you aren't built for a 7 game series. As Wings fans this should hit close to home. Edited April 4, 2013 by Number19 1 whitewolf406 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaman 713 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 This is how I feel about Holland lately: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jesusberg 1,256 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 For every one saying Holland lacked the "balls" to do anything, I've already posted this but:“We offered some of (prospects). At the end of the day someone didn’t like them as much as we do or they liked someone else’s players better.” He made an effort to acquire someone. Other teams outbid him. Maybe it's not a matter of him not making an effort, but a matter of our prospects not being viewed as highly as someone else's? If Holland moved Nyquist, Mrazek and a 1st and 2nd to get Pominville, would you be happy? I'd be pissed off. 2 Carman and Nightfall reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 I really am glad that Holland didn't spend picks or prospects to bring in Gaborik. He is injury prone and isn't worth his 7.5 million dollar cap hit. Pomminville was the only guy I would even consider, and he isn't a top 6 winger like the Wings need. Boumeester isn't worth it either. One of two things are going to happen..... Either the Wings fall flat on their faces in the next couple years, fade away from playoff contention, Holland gets fired, and the collective whiners here will yell I told you so and sprint off to the Penguins forum board to become new fans.... Or.... The Wings will retool and rebuild over the course of the next couple years, and return younger and stronger in a couple years. They will be in a better position to win a cup then, so the collective whiners will stick around and cheer their team on. Either way, its a win/win for me. This forum really does need an enema. For too long, Wings fans have been gifted with high caliber teams and 4 Stanley Cups. The Wings fans are spoiled. Hell, I know I am. You can thank the NHL for making league parity a top concern. No longer can teams try to buy a cup. The salary cap has leveled the playing field. To expect a team to compete for the cup every year is ludicrous. Making the playoffs should be the new benchmark now. Once your team gets in, then anything can happen. At this point, I am going to support the Wings as they work to make the playoffs. I call on every Wings fan to do the same thing. Stand behind your team. Stand behind your Wings management. Its that simple. For every one saying Holland lacked the "balls" to do anything, I've already posted this but:“We offered some of (prospects). At the end of the day someone didn’t like them as much as we do or they liked someone else’s players better.” He made an effort to acquire someone. Other teams outbid him. Maybe it's not a matter of him not making an effort, but a matter of our prospects not being viewed as highly as someone else's? If Holland moved Nyquist, Mrazek and a 1st and 2nd to get Pominville, would you be happy? I'd be pissed off. Hell, I would be really pissed if Holland offered that. Pomminville isn't worth that. 4 derblaueClaus, Travis, Jesusberg and 1 other reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Euro_Twins 4,476 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 6-1 new York. Just saying Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number19 159 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 Tired of this notion of make the playoffs and anything can happen. No, only if you have a tight-checking team that's good on special teams and has a hot goalie that comes out of no where. At least that's what's been the pattern the past decade or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GMRwings1983 8,794 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 Hell, I would be really pissed if Holland offered that. Pomminville isn't worth that. He's not. But Quincey, Sammy and Carlo Coca-Cola aren't worth the money and draft pick we gave up either. Holland does overpay, just for the wrong players. 3 Nightfall, esteef and Z Winged Dangler reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brett 1,029 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 looks like clowe and brassard like their new team. clowe with 2 goals 1 assist brassard 1 goal 3 assist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoWings1905 2,694 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 I really am glad that Holland didn't spend picks or prospects to bring in Gaborik. He is injury prone and isn't worth his 7.5 million dollar cap hit. Pomminville was the only guy I would even consider, and he isn't a top 6 winger like the Wings need. Boumeester isn't worth it either. One of two things are going to happen..... Either the Wings fall flat on their faces in the next couple years, fade away from playoff contention, Holland gets fired, and the collective whiners here will yell I told you so and sprint off to the Penguins forum board to become new fans.... Or.... The Wings will retool and rebuild over the course of the next couple years, and return younger and stronger in a couple years. They will be in a better position to win a cup then, so the collective whiners will stick around and cheer their team on. Either way, its a win/win for me. This forum really does need an enema. For too long, Wings fans have been gifted with high caliber teams and 4 Stanley Cups. The Wings fans are spoiled. Hell, I know I am. You can thank the NHL for making league parity a top concern. No longer can teams try to buy a cup. The salary cap has leveled the playing field. To expect a team to compete for the cup every year is ludicrous. Making the playoffs should be the new benchmark now. Once your team gets in, then anything can happen. At this point, I am going to support the Wings as they work to make the playoffs. I call on every Wings fan to do the same thing. Stand behind your team. Stand behind your Wings management. Its that simple. Hell, I would be really pissed if Holland offered that. Pomminville isn't worth that. I agree with your post overall, but how is Pominville not a top-six winger? Especially considering some of the players the Wings have been using on their top two lines, Pominville's production and skill set absolutely would have been a fit. That being said, the asking price was far too much for my liking as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number19 159 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 (edited) For every one saying Holland lacked the "balls" to do anything, I've already posted this but: “We offered some of (prospects). At the end of the day someone didn’t like them as much as we do or they liked someone else’s players better.” He made an effort to acquire someone. Other teams outbid him. Maybe it's not a matter of him not making an effort, but a matter of our prospects not being viewed as highly as someone else's? If Holland moved Nyquist, Mrazek and a 1st and 2nd to get Pominville, would you be happy? I'd be pissed off. Sounds about right. You have to give up to get. Mrazek is a former 5th round pick and Nyquist is an under 6 foot 23 year old former 4th rounder that hasn't played meaningful NHL hockey. Our 1st rounders will be around 18th overall at best. Yes, I like Mrazek and Nyquist a lot but we tend to over value them around here. If it were up to me Nyquist would be playing on Z or Pavs wing night in and night out and Mrazek would be our backup goltender (Monster freaking blows) but to other teams there's nothing to suggest they're can't miss prospects. Plenty of scrubs have led the AHL in scoring. Buffalo probably heard that exact offer and hung up. Edited April 4, 2013 by Number19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerBob 297 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 I hope some of you read this in a few days and see how ridiculous you sound. Outside of trying to move White and maybe Filppula (because of the rumored salary demands), not much else makes sense. We're a middle of the pack team on the rebuild. You don't sacrifice prospect depth in this league, anymore. Not to be knocked out in the first or second round. I'm totally fine with this team standing pat this year, because I'm come to the terms that the Red Wings will most likely not win the Cup this season. It is what it is. I just wished Ken would have moved some of the guys that won't be returning and gotten something for them instead of just losing them in the off season. If they're going to leave the team might as well be compensated some how for their departure. 1 frankgrimes reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightfall 871 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 I agree with your post overall, but how is Pominville not a top-six winger? Especially considering some of the players the Wings have been using on their top two lines, Pominville's production and skill set absolutely would have been a fit. That being said, the asking price was far too much for my liking as well. I really didn't think he was, but after I saw his stats on TSN, I may be wrong about that. He may be a 2nd line Winger after all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
haroldsnepsts 4,826 Report post Posted April 4, 2013 No I'm saying going crazy isn't always a good thing, especially when you are messing with the chemistry of a team that's ripping up the league I think 4 hours after the trade deadline is a little premature to properly judge what the moves have done to a team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites