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#561 Yak19

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:15 PM

How's Leino doing?

 

6 points in 8 games

 

better than 80% of our roster points wise

 

but don't want him back at all



#562 BottleOfSmoke

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:16 PM

The only possible explanation I can think of for why this may not have been an option is that Buffalo and NYR wanted players who were not upcoming UFAs or prospects.

I could have sworn I read a tweet earlier this morning stating that in talks with the Wings, the NYR were insisting that Brunner be part of any deal. Don't know if the source was reliable or if I'm even remembering the tweet correctly, so take it for what it's worth.

Edit: this is the tweet I was thinking of...

@Zads07: In the talks with the Rangers for MDZ, they really want Brunner, but DET certainly won't give him up.

Edited by BottleOfSmoke, 03 April 2013 - 03:19 PM.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:16 PM

he didn't want gaboriks 7.5 mil caphit

 

There's no sense in that for next offseason, given the dearth of quality UFAs.

 

As for Pominville, I did some checking, and it seems that those were two of Minnesota's best prospects. So perhaps it was best that Kenny did not attempt to beat that offer.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

Gaborik who? I can't even visit these boards anymore. Everyone is upset about the lack of deals, but really all I've seen is s*** deals to move cap space or get bottom 6 guys. Pull your tampons outta ur sandy ***'s and realize this team isn't giving up assets for plugs. People think this season was awful? Then get ready for the real youth movement next season.

 

Take a look at Gabi's salary for next season ffs. Has the IQ of Redwings fans lowered since Lids left or what? I'm losing allot of respect for the boards this season.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

I could have sworn I read a tweet earlier this morning stating that in talks with the Wings, the NYR were insisting that Brunner be part of any deal. Don't know if the source was reliable or if I'm even remembering the tweet correctly, so take it for what it's worth.

 

If so, **** that. Even with only having scored once in the past 16 games, Brunner still has two goals than Gaborik.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

Gaborik doesn't have less goals than Cleary... And let me know when Cleary scores 30+ because Gabby will next year.

I'd rather not take on another terrible contract for an under producing player, who is injury prone, and making more than anyone else on the team 


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

Are you laughing at the trades where a GM actually picked up good players, or the fact that the Toronto Maple Leafs--a team perpetually mocked on these and other boards--are much, much BETTER than these Red Wings? 

Better?.....Hmm - maybe not, but about the same (ok - maybe slightly better) then I'd agree.

 

Next season we'll see the Maple Leafs often; many here might be surprised.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:18 PM

Khan said the hold up for the Wings with Gaborik was the $7.5M cap hit next year.

 

Considering that Gaborik has 9 goals and 10 assists in 35 games with his 7.5 million dollar cap hit, I can only imagine he will be lambasted like Franzen is getting hit with.   Franzen has 7 goals and 13 assists in 29 games with a cap hit that is almost half that.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:18 PM

Well, Holland dropped the ball here. Yes, this is me saying this. Gaborik and Pominville could both have been had for reasonable prices.

 

The only possible explanation I can think of for why this may not have been an option is that Buffalo and NYR wanted players who were not upcoming UFAs or prospects. We don't exactly have many of those to trade away.

 

I guess I'll wait on the official explanation.

 

What roster players that we have signed would New York want? They would most likely be asking for Helm for sure, they really miss the heart and soul aspect, that's why they really wanted dorsett. Brassard is a .50-.60 PPG like FIlpulla, but younger and actually on a 3 million deal after this year, so his value is higher. and John Moore is a first round defenseman, that's 22 years old. I guess he's in between the value of Smith/Lashoff.

 

And Pominville was had for our equivalent of Number #1 goalie and center prospects Jarnkrok, and Mrazek and now there might be word that picks were also involved from minnesota. That would really hurt the wings future, I'd really pass on that, and I really like Pominville.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:18 PM

Best of Luck to them Both.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:19 PM

Gaborik who? I can't even visit these boards anymore. Everyone is upset about the lack of deals, but really all I've seen is s*** deals to move cap space or get bottom 6 guys. Pull your tampons outta ur sandy ***'s and realize this team isn't giving up assets for plugs. People think this season was a awful season then get ready for the real youth movement next season.

 

... so you think Gaborik and Pominville are plugs?  :withstupid:



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:19 PM

I hope some of you read this in a few days and see how ridiculous you sound. Outside of trying to move White and maybe Filppula (because of the rumored salary demands), not much else makes sense. We're a middle of the pack team on the rebuild. You don't sacrifice prospect depth in this league, anymore. Not to be knocked out in the first or second round.

 

I'm totally fine with this team standing pat this year, because I'm come to the terms that the Red Wings will most likely not win the Cup this season. It is what it is.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:19 PM

i know im going to get booed at but i would have taken vanek over Gabby ............


Edited by sjr2012, 03 April 2013 - 03:22 PM.

try to get something by me i dare you

 

 

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:22 PM

Trading Ville Leino for Mattais Backman isn't a good deal? Or how about trading matt Puempel for Tomas Jurco and Xavier Ouellett?

 

How about signing Brunner, or Dekeyser? Or signing Kronwall to a cheap 7 year deal?

 

I'm not saying he's been great. But some of these deals can look a lot better in a few years, he's not fleecing people like the Chelios trade days, but it's a different league now, not a lot of roster player for roster player type trades.

 

Who would be your choice going forward?

Holland has made some deals that might help in the future but he has to make moves that helps the team as we go. Bringing in Sammy and Colo were big mistakes and letting Hossa walk was another. I think that the jury is still out on if Kronwall is cheap. He is struggling in the role of 1-2 d-man. Maybe its because of lack of partner but if he falls to 3-4 in a couple years is he cheap still? Holland is a quality GM there is no doubt but this is starting to look very stale and predictable. 



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:23 PM

Considering that Gaborik has 9 goals and 10 assists in 35 games with his 7.5 million dollar cap hit, I can only imagine he will be lambasted like Franzen is getting hit with.   Franzen has 7 goals and 13 assists in 29 games with a cap hit that is almost half that.

 

People hate on Franzen because of the way he plays the game. I'm not sure why this is difficult for people to understand.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:25 PM

I hope some of you read this in a few days and see how ridiculous you sound. Outside of trying to move White and maybe Filppula (because of the rumored salary demands), not much else makes sense. We're a middle of the pack team on the rebuild. You don't sacrifice prospect depth in this league, anymore. Not to be knocked out in the first or second round.

 

I'm totally fine with this team standing pat this year, because I'm come to the terms that the Red Wings will most likely not win the Cup this season. It is what it is.

 

 

Disagree. They let too many pieces walk away for nothing, and it'll hurt to see White and Flip follow that trend. 



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:26 PM

Holland has made some deals that might help in the future but he has to make moves that helps the team as we go. Bringing in Sammy and Colo were big mistakes and letting Hossa walk was another. I think that the jury is still out on if Kronwall is cheap. He is struggling in the role of 1-2 d-man. Maybe its because of lack of partner but if he falls to 3-4 in a couple years is he cheap still? Holland is a quality GM there is no doubt but this is starting to look very stale and predictable. 

 

I'm not the biggest Kronwall fan, but he's 4th in league scoring for defenseman. While he's no Weber defensively, he's definitely worth his deal. And Sammy was coming off a .57 ppg year. if injuries are a factor, then why are people crying about not going after Gaborik whose hip/back/groin has nearly ended his career?



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:26 PM

Disagree. They let too many pieces walk away for nothing, and it'll hurt to see White and Flip follow that trend. 

 

White's a piece?

 

a piece of what?



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:27 PM

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Bizarre levels of secrecy/intrigue over imminent WSH announcement. #tradecentre

 

Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 2m

Caps sources incredibly mum



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 03:30 PM

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie 2m

Bizarre levels of secrecy/intrigue over imminent WSH announcement. #tradecentre

 

Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun 2m

Caps sources incredibly mum

 

Ovenchicken to Det for Cleary, White, Abdelkader, Eaves, Filpulla, Nyquist and a 3rd rounder.







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