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#21 MabusIncarnate

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:15 PM

Conditional 7th, not a 4th.

But yes it is a very exciting trade.

Oh yeah my mistake.. but still. Jesusberg made a pretty good point in booster chat also. DeKeyser was an excellent signing and didn't cost us any assets, if he sticks around he will be a long term defensive key for this team. So we move out Huskins for a 7th pick and sign DeKeyser off of free agency, there's our deadline moves. I'm fine with that. 


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:20 PM

Oh yeah my mistake.. but still. Jesusberg made a pretty good point in booster chat also. DeKeyser was an excellent signing and didn't cost us any assets, if he sticks around he will be a long term defensive key for this team. So we move out Huskins for a 7th pick and sign DeKeyser off of free agency, there's our deadline moves. I'm fine with that. 


Can we let Deke play at least one game before calling him "excellent" signing?
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:27 PM

So here's the question:

 

If both Parise and Suter were available today and it was known they were on the trading block what do you think it would take to acquire these two players?  What would you be willing to give up to acquire both?  And for sake of argument if we did acquire both Parise and Suter would that be enough to make us a cup contender this year?

 

Any transaction outside of a UFA acquisition would require giving up some of the kids.  Which is apparently not what the Wings want to do, so they again will put all their eggs into the UFA basket.  Last year they struck out (Plan A). Plan B was to acquire some other lesser quality players which they also lost out on.  Plan C ended up being Sammy and Coke-Cola with an eye on waiting unit UFA season in Summer 2013.  Holland himself said he was unsure the Wings would make the playoffs this year so the Wings are/were comfortable with the current player status.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:29 PM

I'm not upset about nothing being done by Holland this deadline, but sooner or later some fat is going to have to be trimmed from this team one way or another. 

 

List of expendable players: 

 

Bertuzzi

Abdelkader

Cleary

Miller

Eaves

Emmerton

White
Cola

Samuelsson

 

List of players NHL ready or soon to be NHL ready: 

 

Tatar

Nyquist

Andersson

Ferraro

Sheahan

Lashoff

Almqvist

Jarnkrok

Dekeyser

 

Sad thing is I don't see anyone but Nyquist, Andersson and MAYYYYYYBE Lashoff being on the team next season. 


Jarnkrok should be fast-tracked. Give him a locker-room spot next to Zetterberg. Let him watch Datsyuk in what could be his last season in the NHL. Use him on the wing. Use him on the 3rd or 4th line. Trial. By. Fire. The kid will sink or swim. Sending him to Grand Rapids for a year is almost a step back from the SEL, really at most a lateral move. But that's what's going to happen, right? Sigh. 

 

 I like this post!  This is what has been on my mind, we have A LOT of expedible/3rd or 4th line guys out there...I could see Jarnkrok having a very short stay in GR if he adapts well to the smaller ice before hitting the big show.  I don't mind doing nothing as long as we use the honest to goodness BEST pieces we have.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:34 PM

Can we let Deke play at least one game before calling him "excellent" signing?

Alright, putting aside that I made the point of saying "Long Term" in the post I made, he was an excellent signing unless theres a rare instance that his defensively brilliant game that is currently well above the level it should be for his age somehow becomes lost in the NHL transition and he completely forgets how to play hockey he WILL be an excellent signing? Does that work? Nowhere did I say he would come in and be NHL ready this season, but as a free agent signing for the long term potential that cost us nothing, I consider that pretty smart opposed to overpaying at the deadline for someone like Bouwmeester.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:50 PM

Zetterberg and Datsyuk will finish their careers playing for an average team, just like Lidstrom did.

 

Sad, but true.  


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:53 PM

I did not expect the Wings to be buyers, but for sure sellers.

 

Filpulla is believed to command 5m per so why not trade him for a first? At that price it would be desastrous to  bring him back.

White is sitting more than playing, if not a second a third should have been possible.

 

I am glad Holland stood pat but these two guys should have been dealt today! Prices will never be that high again for Filpulla and this ladies and gentlemen is a lost first round pick.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:54 PM

Zetterberg and Datsyuk will finish their careers playing for an average team, just like Lidstrom did.

 

Sad, but true.  

 

The way Jiri Fischer's career ended was sad. What you described is just simply mildly annoying. 


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:56 PM

There are only a few ways to get players onto a hockey team.  Draft them, acquire them through free agency, pick them up off waivers, trade for them.  Only one of these options requires you lose something (RFA also I suppose, but that's still a rarity in this league).  The salary cap makes draft picks, prospects, and roster players that much more valuable, so trades are that much less desirable an option to collect players for your team.  I understand that its frustrating to get your hopes up every trade deadline expecting to land some star, but in today's hockey league its more important than ever to be economic.  That means developing your talent, holding onto your picks, and making big roster changes through free agency, not through trades.  Its boring, but its also a smart way to go.

 

I'm in the minority which believes Holland did not make a mistake this deadline by not making any moves.

 

I've said the same thing about 50 times on here. Some people don't seem to understand how the salary cap works and how over inflated the trade and ufa markets are, despite how many times this type of information is posted.

 

If people want to cheer for a team that makes short term, front page "sexy" moves at the deadline or sign over valued UFA, they should find a new favorite team. Holland isn't going to trade prospects or 1st round picks for 35 year old player, or sign free agents for 13 years.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 07:59 PM

Fine...then he should have been a seller.  It would appear that they are afraid to offend the fan base by being a seller, yet do not have the moxy to make the moves to make them a legit Cup contender.  So we are entering limbo

 


Agreed.  I woudlnt have wanted him to go full blown sell off mode like Calgary did.  But, surely there's a team out there that could have used Franzen.  Cleary. Samuellson.  At least get us some extra picks, or maybe a prospect here or there to help for the future.  Those guys arent exactly a big part of this average team we're putting on the ice.  I don't think we'd miss them much.

 

I would have at least liked to have seen some effort to try and improve a team, that clearly by their performance on the ice this season needs some improving.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 08:20 PM


Agreed.  I woudlnt have wanted him to go full blown sell off mode like Calgary did.  But, surely there's a team out there that could have used Franzen.  Cleary. Samuellson.  At least get us some extra picks, or maybe a prospect here or there to help for the future.  Those guys arent exactly a big part of this average team we're putting on the ice.  I don't think we'd miss them much.

 

I would have at least liked to have seen some effort to try and improve a team, that clearly by their performance on the ice this season needs some improving.

Sammy was given a NO-TRADE CLAUSE in his contract by Ken Holland----what a genius Kenny is!



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:02 PM

While it's not too big of a deal Holland didn't make a move at this deadline (I was REALLY pushing for Gaborik) you all have to remember this years FA pool is pretty shallow. This would have been an ideal time to stock up on picks or at least try and make a move to help with our scoring issues.

What Columbus gave up for Gabby was NOTHING. We have PLENTY of youngsters who will more than likely be quality NHLers, but do you think any of them will be a proven 40 goal sniper? Maybe...but more than likely not.


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#33 lomekian

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:29 PM

It strikes me that the majority of complainents on here have little understanding how reality works.

 

I would agree that not doing more at last years deadline was a mistake, and perhaps if Holland had realised that Lids was going to retire he would have made a trade splash to give us our last go at the cup. This year we are not cup contenders in all reality, but probably will make the playoffs. The only players on the market that would have made a significant impact, either went for very big prices and/or have very big salaries or were rentals for high picks in a draft with at least one and a half deep rounds. Unless they pull off a miracle, the wings will have their highest 1st round pick in over two decades, and in a draft where the first 2/3 of the first round are thought to be pretty exciting. After the first half of the second round the draft drops off a fair bit, and early comparisons with 2003 are wide of the mark. With this in mind trading top 2 round picks away was not likely to be a great idea, and trading players like White for 3rd rounders is not worth a great deal.

 

Another key element is that with so many injuries and rookies, its hard for the GM or coach to really know where things stand. Will Cola stay fit or play well so soon back? Will Quincy return effectively? Will Dekeyser be able to step up straight away? Can lashoff cope with the playoffs if called on? Will bert or helm come back? Can Sammy play more than 2 games in a row? Holland doesn't need how many pieces he needs to get the team into the playoffs, and maybe a round or two in. Equally lots of rookies bring unpredictability. Not to mention the fact that the griffs are in line for the playoffs, and it could be valuable for a borderline NHL press boxer to get 20+ mins a night down there if the injured players do return. 

 

I agree with those who said that we should have done more last year and seen more of smith then. I also liked what tatar brought to the big club, but I'm not sure it was much more than a fit sammy, and certainly not enough to get rid of flip, especially since for the first time in two decades we are short at centre.

 

Another consideration is that our most exciting prospects, in terms of high end potential and fitting needs of the NHL line-up are just too far away to gain masses in a trade or justify trading the likes of Nyquist or Tatar unless in a really sweet deal. 

 

As for the pending UFAs,..we want to keep flip. He knows the club, is defensively sound and can put up on average 50 ish points a year. He'll get more money than he deserves, but wont have a NTC so it wont be a disaster. Also with the possibility of dats leaving and it being too soon for Jarnkrok, Sheahan or Greek lightning to be relied upon in that eventuality, we need to keep flip, even if its just for 2-3 years. Also if he re-signs he'll be worth more in a trade than as a pending UFA. White has been underwhelming and has 3rd round value at best, and would not have been a great fit in any of the trades that took place. Miller is worth more to us on current performance level than to anyone else in a trade. If Bert and Helm were fit, he'd probably be gone, but he's been one of the best of our plugs of late, and probably wouldn't have secured more than a 6th rounder.

 

Anyone trading with us would have wanted Smith, Nyquist, Tatar or someone like Sproul as a prospect, and I think they will be worth more to the wings than we'd have got for them. 



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:38 PM

While it's not too big of a deal Holland didn't make a move at this deadline (I was REALLY pushing for Gaborik) you all have to remember this years FA pool is pretty shallow. This would have been an ideal time to stock up on picks or at least try and make a move to help with our scoring issues.

What Columbus gave up for Gabby was NOTHING. We have PLENTY of youngsters who will more than likely be quality NHLers, but do you think any of them will be a proven 40 goal sniper? Maybe...but more than likely not.


Anyway we look at it, we all bleed red. Go Wings Go.
Cinderella team this year ;)

 

Not sure I agree. Moore has a fair amount of upside, Brassard is almost as good as flip and Gaborik has a hefty salary. Our saleable non core assets are UFAs, totally unproven kids or scrubs. Had white and Flip both had a year more on contract, it would have been worth pushing for him with them in a deal, but I just think the timing was wrong for the wings on that one. Also the Rags and the BJs already have their trade love-in going on, so I'm not sure we would have been as popular as trade partners.



Also part of the wings problem is finding willing trade partners. West Conf teams don't want to trade with us unless it favours them because of this years playoffs and old rivalries, and the East are worried about the impact the wings may have this year.

 

Rentals or bad deals only I think...



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 09:46 PM

Tatar isn't a center. While Filppula plays a lot of wing his face-off, and defensive value is something that Tatar does not have at this time.

I do agree Tatar is NHL ready, but not as a Filppula replacement.

I meant stats wise.  And I'd bet money that Nyquist could play centre just as good as Flip.  He seems more like a centre to me than wing anyways.


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:23 PM

What Columbus gave up for Gabby was NOTHING.

 

Completely untrue.



In other news, apparently the word of just about every single hockey analyst---all of whom praised Holland's decision to not move prospects or high picks at this juncture---means nothing to all of the experts on this board. The team is re-tooling on the fly, and throwing away prospects for short-term, expensive players would be foolish.



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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:25 PM

Completely untrue.



In other news, apparently the word of just about every single hockey analyst---all of whom praised Holland's decision to not move prospects or high picks at this juncture---means nothing to all of the experts on this board. The team is re-tooling on the fly, and throwing away prospects for short-term, expensive players would be foolish.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:27 PM

Almost every player on the open market last season who was able to score goals was given an NTC last year. Given the feeding frenzy for free agents, it was a necessary step for everyone involved.

 

That said, your post appears to have absolutely no point; if you think he's so horribly awful a player, why on earth would any other team want him?

 

What a genius you are!

If you have a list of teams currently interested in Sammy please make a list and send it to Ken Holland asap.



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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:20 AM

I am the BIGGEST Sammy hater in Michigan(or I like to think I am). I was not a fan of him when he was with us on our cup run in 08 and when he went to Vancouver in FA I was glad he wasn't here anymore.  But as far as being a hater this year, I just hate the fact that he is very injury prone this year because he could fit well on a line with the young guys. 

Someone else also posted that the wings aren't a cup contender this year, and if anyone disagrees with that statement they are in true denial.  Our D is way to banged up for a long playoff run and Jimmy would have to play out of his mind for the Wings to make it far.  Which brings me to my next point, this off season, Holland needs to do something durring FA, something better than last year. (Which is tough when the guys everyone thought we were going to sign ended up going other places.)

FIl, Cleary, Brunner, Miller, White, and Howard are all UFA's at the end of the season, sources say that they are trying to get a extension for Howard done before the end of the season.  Andersson, Nyquist, Kindl, and Smith are all RFA's. There is going to be a lot of work that needs to be done, and Holland really hasn't been in "rebuilding" mode as a GM.  Hopefully that this offseason, for us fans sake, he's going ot make some noise and realizes Hank, Pav, Mule, and Kronwall are all on the wrong side of 30.



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Posted 04 April 2013 - 04:21 AM


List of expendable players: 
 
Bertuzzi
Abdelkader
Cleary
Miller
Eaves
Emmerton
White
Cola
Samuelsson

You cannot be serious about putting Abdelkader on this list! That is just silly.
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