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#61 Dave

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:28 AM

I'm not sold on Yzerman as a GM. He hasn't really done that great of a job in Tampa. He's had 3 years to address Tampa's biggest holes, defense and goaltending. He has failed on both fronts, and now Tampa is in a race to the bottom.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:28 AM

Either your comepletly blind or have never watched a game in your life. Kindl, garbage? Oh and next your going to tell me that Lashoff and Brunner are trash right. You must have been one of the brett hull haters on this forum ;)

 I have never screamed more at someone in a Wings uniform.. maybe Samuelsson than Kindl. He brings zero to this team is a turn over machine, is weak, no offense no defense, what does this guy bring? He's a minor leaguer no where near NHL player. 



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:22 AM

 I have never screamed more at someone in a Wings uniform.. maybe Samuelsson than Kindl. He brings zero to this team is a turn over machine, is weak, no offense no defense, what does this guy bring? He's a minor leaguer no where near NHL player. 

 

It's amazing how two people can watch the same thing and come away with vastly different opinions. Kindl is probably the best skating defenseman on the Wings. He and Kronwall are easily the best defensemen on the team.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:23 AM

It's amazing how two people can watch the same thing and come away with vastly different opinions. Kindl is probably the best skating defenseman on the Wings. He and Kronwall are easily the best defensemen on the team.

lmao seriously you cannot be serious.. we can poll 1000 red wings fans and i can get 995 would say he's garbage. 



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:52 AM

lmao seriously you cannot be serious.. we can poll 1000 red wings fans and i can get 995 would say he's garbage. 

 

I don't care what those hypothetical 995 say when they're wrong. A lot of dopey homers also complained when we signed Tootoo. They probably also whined about Chelios becoming a Wing. People can be sheep and can let their emotions trump logic.

 

Did it take Kindl time to develop? Yes. Does he take too many penalties? At times. Is he still one of the best defensemen on the team? Absolutely.

 

Kindl plays on the power play and leads the team in +/-. He's also the most fluid defenseman on the team. No one on D skates better than he does.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:51 PM

lmao seriously you cannot be serious.. we can poll 1000 red wings fans and i can get 995 would say he's garbage. 

 Kindl has been "garbage" the past 2 games.  Other than that he's actually transformed into a good Dman for the Wings.  The main problems on our blue line are the odd rookie mistake, but we're in a transition so those are excusable, and guys like White, Coliacovo and Quincey being "garbage".


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:15 PM

I don't care what those hypothetical 995 say when they're wrong. A lot of dopey homers also complained when we signed Tootoo. They probably also whined about Chelios becoming a Wing. People can be sheep and can let their emotions trump logic.

 

Did it take Kindl time to develop? Yes. Does he take too many penalties? At times. Is he still one of the best defensemen on the team? Absolutely.

 

Kindl plays on the power play and leads the team in +/-. He's also the most fluid defenseman on the team. No one on D skates better than he does.

i agree kindl has been pretty decent except the last two games i worry about smiths development


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

 Kindl has been "garbage" the past 2 games.  Other than that he's actually transformed into a good Dman for the Wings.  The main problems on our blue line are the odd rookie mistake, but we're in a transition so those are excusable, and guys like White, Coliacovo and Quincey being "garbage".

 

But it's Ian White.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:53 PM

Kindl has been in many ways our best Dman all year. he has played well. Kronwall has played better offensively, but worse defensively. Ericsson better defensively, but not as good offensively. Those have been our top 3 all year. Smith has made a bunch oif mistakes, but you expect that from a rookie. lashoff has been very good defensively, but is not a threat with the puck. I am looking forward to dekeyser a lot.



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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:15 PM

Sure I'd like to see the Wings fire there GM's ... cant wait to see who's going to replace him ... might as well start a new thread from now.

 

When is <Insert new GM name> going to get fired / going to retire!

 

We Wings fans have been spoiled with all these great players. An era where there was no cap and would overpay anyone to get on the roster. People need to be realizing that this game has changed it's not the same. With the salary cap era it's really tough to put a team together that will be elite year after year. Be happy with all the success we've had thus far, be happier that we still have a chance making the playoffs.

 

If it wasn't for Holland, 90% of this forum wouldn't have seen a stanley cup or two or three anyways.

 

Overpaying & throwing away your future is not the key of success no longer in the NHL.

 

Last I remember the last two stanley cups we didn't pick up a Gaborik / Jagr / Clowe / Iginla and still managed to win a cup. If you guys should be upset about something, be upset that we didn't go after Forsberg. Now for that I would agree with you.

 

The reason we're not sellers and didn't ship off our UFA's is because this team is making the playoffs and they can make some noise with or without any additions. How many times have you guys seen #7-8 seeds going finals.

 

Too all the people that want Holland fired, I'm so glad that you guys aren't running the show in Detroit or calling the calls for this organization or else we'd probably be exactly like the Leafs



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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:21 PM

Sure I'd like to see the Wings fire there GM's ... cant wait to see who's going to replace him ... might as well start a new thread from now.

 

When is <Insert new GM name> going to get fired / going to retire!

 

We Wings fans have been spoiled with all these great players. An era where there was no cap and would overpay anyone to get on the roster. People need to be realizing that this game has changed it's not the same. With the salary cap era it's really tough to put a team together that will be elite year after year. Be happy with all the success we've had thus far, be happier that we still have a chance making the playoffs.

 

If it wasn't for Holland, 90% of this forum wouldn't have seen a stanley cup or two or three anyways.

 

Overpaying & throwing away your future is not the key of success no longer in the NHL.

 

Last I remember the last two stanley cups we didn't pick up a Gaborik / Jagr / Clowe / Iginla and still managed to win a cup. If you guys should be upset about something, be upset that we didn't go after Forsberg. Now for that I would agree with you.

 

The reason we're not sellers and didn't ship off our UFA's is because this team is making the playoffs and they can make some noise with or without any additions. How many times have you guys seen #7-8 seeds going finals.

 

Too all the people that want Holland fired, I'm so glad that you guys aren't running the show in Detroit or calling the calls for this organization or else we'd probably be exactly like the Leafs

But Holland didn't buil the first 2 SC teams. Jimmy D did. 97 and 98 were all Jimmy D. 02 was the first ith Holland fully in chrge nd responsable for the team. Which was in fact lagely the 97/98 teams minus a couple of pieces. Now Holland gets full credit for the 08 team and 09 team. But he also gets full credit for the last3 seasons-2 second round loses and a first round loss, with what looks like anothershort PO run this year, if we in fact make it.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 06:57 AM

But Holland didn't buil the first 2 SC teams. Jimmy D did. 97 and 98 were all Jimmy D. 02 was the first ith Holland fully in chrge nd responsable for the team. Which was in fact lagely the 97/98 teams minus a couple of pieces. Now Holland gets full credit for the 08 team and 09 team. But he also gets full credit for the last3 seasons-2 second round loses and a first round loss, with what looks like anothershort PO run this year, if we in fact make it.

 

This is what I meant when I said in my first post that us Wings fan are spoiled.

 

The team made the playoffs and you still complain, you are aware the team won't win a cup every year?

 

Some other team aren't in the playoffs when we're in that first round of the playoffs or even second. I might as well have a team that's making the playoffs then a team seating in the bottom of the league.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 08:13 AM

Some other team aren't in the playoffs when we're in that first round of the playoffs or even second.

 

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 09:28 AM

This is what I meant when I said in my first post that us Wings fan are spoiled.

 

The team made the playoffs and you still complain, you are aware the team won't win a cup every year?

 

Some other team aren't in the playoffs when we're in that first round of the playoffs or even second. I might as well have a team that's making the playoffs then a team seating in the bottom of the league.

so being average is ok? in fact you can be less than average and make the playoffs. That is a pretty bad measuring stick. 53% of all teams make it. Just to compare, in NCAA men's basketball only the top 20% make it. Making the PO's in the NHL and NBA isn't saying much. But it does make a lot on money. Kinda like going to a bowl game in college football. Everyone goes........



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:40 PM

Everyone has an effective shelf life ... I think Holland is nearing his expiry date.  I'd give him one more year and if this summer is like last summer (I know he tried for Suter and Parise but didn't get them in the end) then we should pass the reigns to Nil?  Or maybe Brian Burke ... just throwing it out there.  







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