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#281 Crymson

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 08:49 PM

What's even more stressful is that the Wings are below .500 if you count losses and losses.

 

Wings are 20-15-7, which in my mind is actually 20-22.

 

At home Wings are 10-7-4, which in my mind is 10-11.

 

On the road 10-8-3 translates to another 10-11.

 

 

Just pathetic hockey.  We were spoiled for so many years.  Now were worried about whether or not Columbus wins in a game where were not even playing.  COLUMBUS....

 

Frankly, it doesn't matter how these numbers look in your mind. All that matters is how they appear on the standings.

 

As for the rest... it would have helped more than a little had we a 3rd line. This was taken from us, in its entirety, by injuries.



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Posted 16 April 2013 - 11:33 PM

Frankly, it doesn't matter how these numbers look in your mind. All that matters is how they appear on the standings.
 
As for the rest... it would have helped more than a little had we a 3rd line. This was taken from us, in its entirety, by injuries.



Our third line is not the problem.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 01:32 AM

Our third line is not the problem.

 

You do realize that the third line may have been a tad different with Bertuzzi, Helm, and Samuelsson in, right? Having an extra 20-30 goals would really have been very nice. As things stand, we have a third line as full of grinders as our fourth.



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:23 AM

I didn't know helm can score that much?

You do realize that the third line may have been a tad different with Bertuzzi, Helm, and Samuelsson in, right? Having an extra 20-30 goals would really have been very nice. As things stand, we have a third line as full of grinders as our fourth.



Helm scores 30 goals? Bert would help our top 6.

But our third line isn't the reason why were in the spot we are in. Its a lack of a top 6. I'd also argue the fourth line is more of a problem than third.

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 02:42 AM

I didn't know helm can score that much?

Helm scores 30 goals? Bert would help our top 6.

But our third line isn't the reason why were in the spot we are in. Its a lack of a top 6. I'd also argue the fourth line is more of a problem than third.

 

Don't be obtuse. It's likely that Bertuzzi and Samuelsson would have scored at around a 20-goal pace, and Helm at his usual pace of 10-15 goals. Over a regular season, that equates to around 50 goals. In this shortened season, it figures to around 25-30. Does this help?

 

I don't see how you can say that having a third line that could score would not benefit this team in a rather large way.



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Posted 17 April 2013 - 06:51 AM

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 08:12 AM

 

Don't be obtuse. It's likely that Bertuzzi and Samuelsson would have scored at around a 20-goal pace, and Helm at his usual pace of 10-15 goals. Over a regular season, that equates to around 50 goals. In this shortened season, it figures to around 25-30. Does this help?

 

I don't see how you can say that having a third line that could score would not benefit this team in a rather large way.

 

I'm pretty sure he never said a third line wouldn't help.  I'm pretty sure he said that the third line wasn't the problem and the lack of a competitive top six was.  Argue with him until you're blue in the face, but don't make up stuff he didn't say. 


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 09:10 AM

I didn't know helm can score that much?

Helm scores 30 goals? Bert would help our top 6.

But our third line isn't the reason why were in the spot we are in. Its a lack of a top 6. I'd also argue the fourth line is more of a problem than third.

 

Not to mention there are only 2 legit NHL d-men on the entire roster, and one of them (Ericcson) is wildly inconsistent and that's being kind.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:48 AM

 

Not to mention there are only 2 legit NHL d-men on the entire roster, and one of them (Ericcson) is wildly inconsistent and that's being kind.

 

I am so tired of people ragging on Big Rig all the time, he has been very solid this year, Dekeyser is looking very good, Lashoff and kindl look great too. Quincey is starting to play much better, like it or not our defense is actually pretty solid all around



#290 Z Winged Dangler

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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:55 AM

 

I am so tired of people ragging on Big Rig all the time, he has been very solid this year, Dekeyser is looking very good, Lashoff and kindl look great too. Quincey is starting to play much better, like it or not our defense is actually pretty solid all around

No kidding.  It's our offence that's not cutting it.  Our D has been playing really good and been chipping in with points.  We need our forwards to cash in on their scoring chances.


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 12:16 PM

No kidding.  It's our offence that's not cutting it.  Our D has been playing really good and been chipping in with points.  We need our forwards to cash in on their scoring chances.

 

Yep, IIRC we're sitting 20th at goals for, and 10th at goals against. Our defense isn't the problem, especially when adding DeKeyser to the equation. The boy has helped the back-end more than we really expected. He's even considered as Babcock's final 5. If the offense would start potting them, this team could change pretty dramatically. 


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Posted 17 April 2013 - 11:51 PM

We can't score goals & the team we're battling beat us 4 out of 5. End of discussion! It hurts me to say this, but we are not a good team, nor do we deserve to make the playoffs. Sure sucks to loss our playoff record and everything, but so be it. The entire organization dropped the ball on this one, hurts to be a Red Wing Fan right now.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:16 AM

The Wings just dropped an epic 24.9% from their combined loss and Columbus's win. Detroit now has a 40.3% chance of making the playoffs, while Columbus has 40.4%. 



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:24 AM

In the long run, I look at it as this; We didn't reload over the last 2 years and it's hitting us now. We have been on a downward trend the past 2-3 years and we haven't done much to get better. Holland wants to blame it on injuries, but do you seriously think that Bertuzzi, Helm, Samuelsson and Colaiacovo were the difference in us going on a cup run? Don't give me that tired cliche, "get in, and anything can happen" crap. We have been getting in the past 4 years and showing early round exits for our trouble. West got good, particularly in the Central and we did nothing to improve.

 

I give Holland the off season to fix it. If he can't, find someone who can or change the coaching staff. We need a overhaul and this adding one or two players a year isn't gonna cut it in my book.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:39 AM

Top 6 is the problem. No chemistry, no nothing. Flipulla is playing horrible this year. And the Wings really only have three other top 6 forwards, Brunner with Helm would of been nice on the third line. Brunner isn't a top 6 forward yet, he needs more adjustment time.

 

What we really should be worring about is next season. The Wings roster will be more or less exactly the same. They are going to get eatin alive in the play-offs unless they can clear some major salary and get a top 3 forward. And if the team doesn't keep Flipulla, things will be even worse. He better take 4 million a season, because that is more than what he's worth based on his lazy, uninspired play. 4 years, 4 million per, take it or leave it you greedy bastard.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:06 AM

Top 6 is the problem. No chemistry, no nothing. Flipulla is playing horrible this year. And the Wings really only have three other top 6 forwards, Brunner with Helm would of been nice on the third line. Brunner isn't a top 6 forward yet, he needs more adjustment time.

 

What we really should be worring about is next season. The Wings roster will be more or less exactly the same. They are going to get eatin alive in the play-offs unless they can clear some major salary and get a top 3 forward. And if the team doesn't keep Flipulla, things will be even worse. He better take 4 million a season, because that is more than what he's worth based on his lazy, uninspired play. 4 years, 4 million per, take it or leave it you greedy bastard.

 No way dude.  He's got 2 points in the last 14 games.  That's stellar for a guy who wants a substantial raise.  He's bringing other great things to each game right now.  I'm just having a hard time figuring out what.  Cleary sucks.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:34 PM

Dang, can't even trust Canucks to help us out.  Now we are 10th!  How do you like that Holland ??!!



#298 St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:07 PM

We aren't making the playoffs. We are gonna have to almost win out the rest of the way.

 

Don't see it happening.

 

And this is ok I think.

 

REBUILD on the way...



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:13 PM

At least the "rite of passage" crap will stop

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:34 PM

Playoff run had to end eventually. Face it, we were spoiled.


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