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#21 Euro_Twins

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:27 PM

nyquist is very talented and nhl ready, the problem is, when you only get a couple games in the nhl at a time and they constantly move you around, you really don't get a chance to prove your worth, or get your feet wet. What we have seen the past few games, is what I believe to be the NHL Nyquist



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 01:36 PM

I didn't see the game last night (thank f---), did Babcock really play Abs on the first line? That's ridiculous

 

lol, where have you been?



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:02 PM

There was one shift, it was recent, against the Avs. I think. If memory serves, we were bumbling around in our own zone. General stupidity and laziness and a touch of sheer incompetence. But then, Glory Be to God, Nyquist got ahold of the puck and, all of three seconds later, he was tearing into the o-zone like some kind of human missile thing. I don't remember what happened after that, but I'll tell you what, I'm generally very cynical, pessimistic about this team, and so it takes a lot for me to go, "Wow." And I went "Wow." It made me realize how slow of foot - and teeth-gnashingly namby pamby - we generally are. It was refreshing. It was pretty awesome.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:17 PM

There was one shift, it was recent, against the Avs. I think. If memory serves, we were bumbling around in our own zone. General stupidity and laziness and a touch of sheer incompetence. But then, Glory Be to God, Nyquist got ahold of the puck and, all of three seconds later, he was tearing into the o-zone like some kind of human missile thing. I don't remember what happened after that, but I'll tell you what, I'm generally very cynical, pessimistic about this team, and so it takes a lot for me to go, "Wow." And I went "Wow." It made me realize how slow of foot - and teeth-gnashingly namby pamby - we generally are. It was refreshing. It was pretty awesome.


This exactly why he is such a highly touted prospect, because this is what he does. Everyone around here seems to go crazy when a rookie doesn't come out of the gate like a bat out of hell, and isn't our immediate saviour. Players take a little time to adjust and adapt to the NHL.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:31 PM

Edit:  Actually now that I think about it, they should put Tatar with Datsyuk.  That kid has shown that he can, and will, beat you if you give him space and time.  Nyquist, not so much.

 

This is what killed me about Babs when Tatar was up and the Cleary-Dats-Abby line went 0-fer game after game after game...after game...

 

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:16 PM

lol, where have you been?

Apparently I don't pay any attention to lineups! lol

 

Missed alot cuz of the damn late games too


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:24 PM

Apparently I don't pay any attention to lineups! lol

 

Missed alot cuz of the damn late games too

Lol, Abbs has been with Datsyuk and Franzen for a few months now.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:26 PM

dude looks good



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:43 PM

I didn't see the game last night (thank f---), did Babcock really play Abs on the first line? That's ridiculous

where have you been?


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:15 PM

Saying Nyquist isn't really NHL-ready is silly.

 

I think the big problem is...well I'll show you (since I love doing this so much):

 

Brunner

Datsyuk

Filppula

Franzen

Nyquist

Zetterberg

 

All of our high-end players are subtle variations on the same damn player. Practically our entire top six corps - I mean he guys who really do deserve to be in the pool (and I do count Nyquist among them) - is softish, smallish, Euro playmakers.

 

I think of Selanne. Is he really that good (and indeed, maye he is)...or does he benefit a whole lot from having a pack of bulldogs around him, creating space for him, wearing down the opposition for him? I feel Nyquist would do well in a similar situation.

 

So, what I'm saying is: NHL-ready, and potentially lethal...just not in Motown. Maybe.

 

We'll see. (Or we won't.)

 

I agree.  Too many vanilla midgets on our top 6.

 

The biggest one is Franzen, and he doesn't play big at all.  


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:34 AM

Nyquist has skill. His goal against Colorado and his assist the other night prove that. Something that concerns me, though, is that Mickey Redmond can't stop talking about Nyquist's lack of size. It's like every time Nyquist is on the ice, Mickey has to remind us all of how small the guy is.



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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:39 AM

I feel like the last couple games Nyquist has been the only one with his motor going. He is consistently getting a significant scoring chance. While we have been struggling he has been the only refreshing thing to watch. Should he get moved to the top six or is he going to be most beneficial where he is?

 

He has a great shot and isn't shy about it. I like the way he and Andersson are looking.

 

How about a pure speed & energy line when/if Helm ever gets back: Nyquist-Helm-Tootoo that would overwhem any 3rd line in the league... speed, energy, great shooter, toughness and defense all great elements



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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:50 AM

 

Nyquist has skill. His goal against Colorado and his assist the other night prove that. Something that concerns me, though, is that Mickey Redmond can't stop talking about Nyquist's lack of size. It's like every time Nyquist is on the ice, Mickey has to remind us all of how small the guy is.

 

I maybe the only one here that thinks this but Mickey Redmond sucks and needs to just retire. He also would hate on Brunner while riding Abby and Cleary's 30 game pointless streak or whatever it was. He is always bitching about something, and is 90% wrong, his schtick has gotten old.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 09:52 AM

I can't believe I just read "is Selanne really that good?"
Bash on our "soft euros" all you want but good god...Selanne??? Dude was and still is a beast.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 10:54 AM

I can't believe I just read "is Selanne really that good?"
Bash on our "soft euros" all you want but good god...Selanne??? Dude was and still is a beast.

But...Selanne is a euro player and couldn't possibly succeed without being supported by north-american 'bulldogs'!

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:31 AM

For anyone thats confused...Nyqvist IS small!!
I love his speed and desire to shoot first ask questions later but can we all at least agree that he is physically small!

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:38 AM

I can't believe I just read "is Selanne really that good?"
Bash on our "soft euros" all you want but good god...Selanne??? Dude was and still is a beast.

 

Poor choice of words on my part.

 

Selanne has always been one of my favorite players. He is a beast. But playing on the Ducks helps a lot, for obvious reasons.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:49 AM

But...Selanne is a euro player and couldn't possibly succeed without being supported by north-american 'bulldogs'!

 

Again, poor choice of words on my part.

 

Think of it this way: Would he be as dangerous as a Wing? Maybe. But, well, right off the bat - we know a puck-possession team is going to "take" much more than it "gives" (re: hits, creating space, wearing down the opposition, etc.) That's just how it works. And then, like I said, practically everyone in our top six is a smallish, softish, Euro playmaker. (Not that I have any problem with Euros, it just means things can and do get samey.) Selanne would have to endure more physical wear and tear, he'd have to make space for himself much of the time, and so on and so forth.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:03 PM

I think you're misunderstanding me, I'm not knocking the guy.  What I'm saying is that Nyquist, like Brunner, is a good player but who doesn't currently have the ability to create offense alone.  There's a place on teams for guys like that, but to defend them, all you have to do is shut down the workhorse.  By stopping Zetterberg you also stop Brunner.  Same goes for Nyquist, he doesn't create offense himself, and therefore putting him with Datsyuk would do the same as putting Brunner with Z.  Stop the main guy and you stop the other guy too. 

 

Think about other good lines in hockey, or good players and you'll understand what I'm saying.  Double team Ryan Getzlaf and see if Corey Perry doens't tear you up, or Bobby Ryan or whoever.  They create offense all by themselves.

 

Nyquist is just young, that part of his game will develop, but it hasn't yet at the NHL level. 

 

By having two guys on a line that can "do it themselves" when necessary, you open ice up for everyone because it becomes too dangerous to double team anyone and leave the other guy open.  Right now nobody is afraid to leave Nyquist, Brunner, Franzen, Cleary or Abby open by double teaming Z or Dats.  They figure "if the other guys can beat us then let them".  Obviously they can't. 

 

Edit:  Actually now that I think about it, they should put Tatar with Datsyuk.  That kid has shown that he can, and will, beat you if you give him space and time.  Nyquist, not so much.

 

i disagree. i think nyquist has the skill to quickly become one of those players. really he has already shown it as he has generated a lot of chances and even some goals with his own skill. compare that to players like franzen, cleary, abdelkader, who's only skill is standing around waiting for datsyuk to do all the work and give them a tap in goal that my grandma could finish off.

 

this organization has been TERRIBLE at putting players in a position to succeed. for years we will have a guy with potential and we leave him in the minors forever and then when they do get a chance, they play 8 minutes a night on the 4th line. sure, i understand that players have to 'earn' what they get, but how can you earn something when you are put in a position to fail?

 

nyquist, and others like tatar, if given the chance to play with datsyuk or zetterberg for more than a couple of shifts, could really show to be effective top 6 players in the nhl. that would allow them to grow as players and then become the type of player that can not just be part of the top 6, but be the leaders once datsyuk and zetterberg are gone.


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Posted 06 April 2013 - 12:26 PM

i disagree. i think nyquist has the skill to quickly become one of those players. really he has already shown it as he has generated a lot of chances and even some goals with his own skill. compare that to players like franzen, cleary, abdelkader, who's only skill is standing around waiting for datsyuk to do all the work and give them a tap in goal that my grandma could finish off.

 

this organization has been TERRIBLE at putting players in a position to succeed. for years we will have a guy with potential and we leave him in the minors forever and then when they do get a chance, they play 8 minutes a night on the 4th line. sure, i understand that players have to 'earn' what they get, but how can you earn something when you are put in a position to fail?

 

nyquist, and others like tatar, if given the chance to play with datsyuk or zetterberg for more than a couple of shifts, could really show to be effective top 6 players in the nhl. that would allow them to grow as players and then become the type of player that can not just be part of the top 6, but be the leaders once datsyuk and zetterberg are gone.

 

I don't disagree with a lot of what you're saying.  We are terrible at putting players in a position to succeed.  Certainly Nyquist is more skilled than most of our players.  And definitely Franzen, Clearly, Abby, (and I'd add Filppula) don't create any offense either.  What I'm saying is that whether Nyquist is in the lineup or not won't matter because our entire team is made up of guys who can't take a game over, minus Dats and Z.

 

If teams can stop them then we lose. 

 

Look at last night.  We played a horrible team, and yet got dominated for much of the game.  We won (barely) because Datsyuk and Zetterberg rose to the occasion.  Nyquist had a nice goal for sure, but our season hangs on whether D or Z can win a game for us.  Hell even the s***ty Colorado announcers accurately spelled out our game plan.  Late in the game they said, "Detroit is just looking to hang on until overtime and then put the game on Datsyuk and Zetterberg's shoulders", which is exactly what we did.  I'm glad it worked out, but it won't against good team.

 

So, for the millionth time...Nyquist is a good player, maybe one day he'll be a game changer, but he's not right now and therefore having him in the top six or not will make no difference as far as how well this team performs this season.


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