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#21 GoalieManPat

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:30 PM

They didn't make one offer to any restricted free agents. The flyers threw it out there because they were going for it. They lost Pronger and tried to get Weber but at least they tried. We lost Lidstrom and went after Suter... Really? Weber is the better of those two and we went after #2. I guess just remember the good old days.

 

You are wrong again. Suter is the better all around player than Weber. Weber gets the headlines because of his size and big shot but Weber has not looked good without Suter. Nashville loses Suter and keeps Weber and goes from a playoff team to barely a .500 team. Minnesota picks up Suter and are now a solid playoff team. You also cant compare the Wings going after one or the other due to the fact that Weber was a restricted free agent and Suter was unrestricted. It makes a big difference when you have to put out big money and picks compared to just offering a big contract. Illitch is not a problem with the organization. He will let Kenny spend as much as the league allows. The problem is Kenny not getting the job done. 



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:41 PM

My point is not targeting EVERY rfa. It's going after the best available person who can replace your best player. Salary cap or no salary cap players are getting paid the same now as they were prior to the salary cap. Check out the salaries leading up to right before the salary cap was put in place. It is very similar to the last 3 years. The rangers went nuts at 80 million and we had one year where we went nuts other than that it's about the same.

The only thing you do when making a ridiculous RFA offer is piss off other GMs.  What good did it do the Flyers to make an offer sheet to Shea Weber?  The only one who benefitted was Weber and the other teams who will be in Nashville's division because of the nature of his contract.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:10 PM

The first thought that went through my head when I read the topic title was "What an ungrateful ******* ***** ** ****."  First, the money that was earmarked for certain players was never necessary; second, there were no viable back up plans; third, the cap was expected to shrink.  Spending up to the cap at that point would have put us in a bad salary dump position; why sign some players only to have to buy them or others out?

Just because the Wings are going through a few speed bumps is no reason to turn on the man who lost millions of his own money for YEARS to keep this team here; spent millions of his own dollars to sign the best talent available and has given back more to his players and this town than any other NHL owner.  I think you owe Mr. I an abject apology.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:19 PM

I heard that Holland doesn't like pizza and he kept it hidden for years until just in the last couple of years Ilitch found out so he won't spend another dime on this team unless Holland delivers 4267 pizzas in a 1982 Honda Accord.  Thats just what I heard..................................


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:23 PM

Ilitch has been vocal about his dislike for the NHL's salary cap and that he likes that baseball doesn't have one. 

 

That being said, I don't think the Wings not being up against the cap is some evidence of him spending money on the Tigers that he could've used on the Wings. 

 

The Wings have what $7 million in cap room?  When you're talking about the amount of money Ilitch spends on these franchises, plus or minus 7 million is chump change.  

 

It's probably more a sign of Holland being even more conservative than usual the last couple seasons because of the new CBA and lower cap.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:24 PM

This is nonsense, the guy has brought us 4 friggin Stanley Cups and never has been cheap. Some fans are truly ungrateful he is one of the best owners in sports period.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:25 PM

There is no truth whatsoever to the OP's allegation. Ilitch gave Holland the OK to offer massive contracts to Suter and Parise last season. The reason that the Wings aren't at the cap is that there weren't exactly a ton of players to spend money on last offseason.

 

I was going to say the exact same thing.  Glad I looked through past posts.  Anytime you offer two guys twin 13 year 90+ million dollar contracts you're not exactly pinching pennies.  The fact that they chose a different place to play says nothing about Illitch's willingness to spend money.

 

FYI to everyone else who thinks otherwise...the Motor City Casino last year alone made enough money to pay for the duration of Prince Fielder's contract.  Illitch has PLENTY of money for both the Wings and the Tigers.  Fact. 


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:35 PM

I was going to say the exact same thing.  Glad I looked through past posts.  Anytime you offer two guys twin 13 year 90+ million dollar contracts you're not exactly pinching pennies.  The fact that they chose a different place to play says nothing about Illitch's willingness to spend money.

 

FYI to everyone else who thinks otherwise...the Motor City Casino last year alone made enough money to pay for the duration of Prince Fielder's contract.  Illitch has PLENTY of money for both the Wings and the Tigers.  Fact. 

But we all know it's Marian that owns Motor City, not Mr. I...*wink, wink*



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:49 PM

Ilitch has been vocal about his dislike for the NHL's salary cap and that he likes that baseball doesn't have one. 

 

That being said, I don't think the Wings not being up against the cap is some evidence of him spending money on the Tigers that he could've used on the Wings. 

 

The Wings have what $7 million in cap room?  When you're talking about the amount of money Ilitch spends on these franchises, plus or minus 7 million is chump change.  

 

It's probably more a sign of Holland being even more conservative than usual the last couple seasons because of the new CBA and lower cap.

He'll be even more unhappy when the cap goes down to 64.3 mil next season.  The days of spending big in the NHL ended in 2004, 2 CBA's ago when the salary cap came in and was what...46 million or something like that?  It's hard to get the best players when your GM spends responsibly for the most part and almost every other GM raises players stock by overpaying because the guy in question may be the "1 missing piece" to their roster.  Not any of our managements fault that most of the last free agents wanted to play where they grew up, though Dekeyser chose us so we can be thankful for that.

 

I have a feeling that Kenny's gonna strike gold when teams need to shed salary, or when they can't afford to keep all their good players and Kenny has the cap space to give them the extra .5 mil that their team was unable to offer them.  In all likelyhood, Kenny will push to get a guy like Clarkson or Raymond, or both this summer when they're UFA and their GM is fumbling to shed salary.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:31 PM

There is no truth whatsoever to the OP's allegation. Ilitch gave Holland the OK to offer massive contracts to Suter and Parise last season. The reason that the Wings aren't at the cap is that there weren't exactly a ton of players to spend money on last offseason.

 

THIS. The OP is talking 100% rubbish.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 06:44 PM

Wow? First its Holland, then its Babs, and now Illitch. Who's next to blame for this travesty.

It's called the current NHL. There's a couple teams that are pretty dominant this year and maybe next. You think they're not gonna have some cap trouble in the next couple yrs? All the middle teams are fairly equal. Exactly what the NHL wants.

Teams are gonna have to build contenders from their own prospects a lot more than relying on rentals, unless your your current team is just a player away from being a contender, which the Wings are not. Another reason Holland is holding picks and prospects so close.

Not that I think the op is right in anyway, but the Illitch family wants a World Series title more than anything for Mr I. And no one deserves it more than him.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:13 PM

I don't think Ilitch is afraid to spend money, but he doesn't seem to care about the Wings that much anymore.

 

Meaning, he hasn't been putting his foot down enough on Holland's throat, during these last few years of Kenny's inactivity and bad moves.  Holland needs to feel a bit more pressure, instead he seems to have total immunity based on past successes (which weren't all his).  


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#33 WINGS & FLOW

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:17 PM

Cant even believe you would think that.

BTW, Jays are the team this year!

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:23 PM

Illitch has PLENTY of money for both the Wings and the Tigers.  Fact. 

 

Dave Bing says "thank you" for that information.


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:28 PM

Dave Bing says "thank you" for that information.

 

Dave Bing ought to know how much money Illitch has, or at least he knows Illitch has the 60 or 70 million dollars in taxes that he hasn't felt like paying. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 07:47 PM

When you factor in he's been trying to get a new arena done for 5 years now this theory sounds kind of stupid.



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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:04 PM

Wow? First its Holland, then its Babs, and now Illitch. Who's next to blame for this travesty.

It's called the current NHL. There's a couple teams that are pretty dominant this year and maybe next. You think they're not gonna have some cap trouble in the next couple yrs? All the middle teams are fairly equal. Exactly what the NHL wants.

Teams are gonna have to build contenders from their own prospects a lot more than relying on rentals, unless your your current team is just a player away from being a contender, which the Wings are not. Another reason Holland is holding picks and prospects so close.

Not that I think the op is right in anyway, but the Illitch family wants a World Series title more than anything for Mr I. And no one deserves it more than him.

Yzerman.  Cause he's the player who our dynasty began with and now he's Tampa's GM.   The sky is falling...


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 08:09 PM

The discussions in this message board are getting dumber by the day. Why do I even bother?

 

It's just uninformed whining. I'm outta here!


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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:12 PM

The discussions in this message board are getting dumber by the day. Why do I even bother?

 

It's just uninformed whining. I'm outta here!

 

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:19 PM

Mr. I isn't being cheap in any way shape or form. Last summer he was PERSONNALLY trying to land parise and Suter. Fle out to get them,wined and dined them, they choose to go home. Nothing wrong with that. This fall we will be within 2 million of the cap, if not closer just by resigning our own UFA/RFA players.

Holland did try to get O'reilly, but he failed in his attempt-which will haunt us. Mr. I is not nor has he ever been the problem. Every time Holland and DD have gone to him and asked for money, they get it. he is the best type of owner. he stays out of the way untill the GM asks him to get involved.







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