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#21 Dabura

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:25 AM

 

Sacrifice draft picks, players, and long term sustainability all for 4-7 extra games. Gotcha.

 

Right, because I said, "We should've sold the farm for Gaborik!!!"

 

Holland's very, very, very big on this "If you can make it to the big dance, anything can happen" mentality. Now, here we are in a dogfight for eighth place. Not a good time to make a minor tweak or two? (I mean, before the deadline?)

 

It's not like we're the Jackets or the Stars and we can say, "Eh, we make it, we make it, we don't, no biggie." We're thef****** Red Wings. To whom much is given, and all that. And we're just stumbling along, settling for mediocrity, seemingly not-at-all worried that we're in very real danger of missing the playoffs for the first time since 1990.

 

I believe we'll make it. But it's going to be grueling. I simply think we should've, at least, brought in some hungry hearts. Y'know, guys who actually give a damn.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 08:32 AM

4/20 @ Vancouver Loss

4/22 Phoenix 50/50 chance

4/24 Los Angeles Loss

4/25 Nashville 50/50 chance

4/27 @ Dallas  Loss

 

Hate to say it but with how this team is playing I see this happening. They need 3 of the 5 minimum. 4 of 5 would be best. I dont see them winning in Van and if it comes down to that last game in Dallas the Stars are just playing a lot hungrier and better now. They could pull out the LA game but Im thinking not with how much this team is not scoring. The killer is the Wings consistantly play down to lesser opponents the last couple seasons. Thats why I see them dropping either Nashville or Phoenix. Thats what will knock them out of the playoffs. In reality it might be the best thing. Some heat of the Wings brass to do something with this roster will help the team in the long run.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:02 AM

 

Right, because I said, "We should've sold the farm for Gaborik!!!"

 

Holland's very, very, very big on this "If you can make it to the big dance, anything can happen" mentality. Now, here we are in a dogfight for eighth place. Not a good time to make a minor tweak or two? (I mean, before the deadline?)

 

It's not like we're the Jackets or the Stars and we can say, "Eh, we make it, we make it, we don't, no biggie." We're thef****** Red Wings. To whom much is given, and all that. And we're just stumbling along, settling for mediocrity, seemingly not-at-all worried that we're in very real danger of missing the playoffs for the first time since 1990.

 

I believe we'll make it. But it's going to be grueling. I simply think we should've, at least, brought in some hungry hearts. Y'know, guys who actually give a damn.

 

I don't know how or why you referenced Gaborik, but anyway...

 

The 'minor tweak' you elude to is not as simple as you are making it out to be. If reports are to be believed, then he did look into possible trades, but ultimately decided that asking prices were too high. I'm not going to dive into a debate on what those prices were, but signs point to draft picks and prospects as being the things that Holland didn't want to relinquish. Keeping those things points to a long term strategy as opposed to a short term gain.

 

Making the playoffs is nice, but fan egos aside, an extended summer for both the players and staff might do them some good after 21 seasons of extended play. 


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:10 AM

I'm going to go with us missing the playoffs (I know, a bold prediction at this point). Columbus seems to be a force right now... I think they are the team that will edge us out for 8th.

 

Our offense is just stagnant at the moment. That being said, I do have high hopes for us moving forward. A real shame we had so many injuries this year. I do believe a healthy Bert, Sammy, and Helm would have made us a solid team this year, at least good for 4th, 5th or 6th in the conference. Even if they only played half a season each... our offense just couldn't absorb their loss, being not as deep as we have been in years past. It's not just the numbers they put up, but the pressure they relieve from other players, and the overall solidification of our lines they would  bring.

 

Hey, at least I will get to cancel my cable a bit earlier this year. :D On a side note, I very much hope I am wrong.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:25 AM

Have a feeling the Wings beat the Canucks by 3 on Saturday


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:39 AM

Columbus won't make it in. Not enough games vs too tough of competition.

 

Dallas is your only worry, but both teams have 2 games that wash (vs Van, vs LA) in terms of schedule. From this vantage point, it looks like game 48 determines who goes.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:56 AM

 

I don't know how or why you referenced Gaborik, but anyway...

 

The 'minor tweak' you elude to is not as simple as you are making it out to be. If reports are to be believed, then he did look into possible trades, but ultimately decided that asking prices were too high. I'm not going to dive into a debate on what those prices were, but signs point to draft picks and prospects as being the things that Holland didn't want to relinquish. Keeping those things points to a long term strategy as opposed to a short term gain.

 

Making the playoffs is nice, but fan egos aside, an extended summer for both the players and staff might do them some good after 21 seasons of extended play. 

 

You suggested that I would've had Holland "Sacrifice draft picks, players, and long term sustainability all for 4-7 extra games." That, to me, is essentially a Gaborik, or another high-end-ish player of his ilk. Iginla, perhaps.

 

I could do without the condescension, the you-don't-really-understand bit. I could also do without this look-the bottom-line-is-Kenny's-hands-are-completely-tied mentality that so many here seem to stand by as unequivocal fact.

 

Do I believe Holland had a lot of options this season? Not at all. I followed the deadline very, very closely. Every GM and his mother wanted a top-sixer. And, yes, I realize that, in general, the price for even a relatively middling bottom-sixer is high enough to make you really sit and wonder if it wouldn't be worth standing pat.

 

But, you know what? We've been doing this there's-nothing-we-can-do-but-take-it-up-the-ass-and-like-it song and dance for several seasons now, and, all the while, we've been slipping and sliding down the slope. We were the class of the West (if not the League) when we took the Pens to seven. Now? Now our M.O. is "Suck and settle."

 

I'd be more understanding if this "rebuild" and "youth movement" weren't just the latest excuse.

 

But now I'm derailing the thread.

 

I'll tell you what: these Blue Jackets? They are a joy to watch.

 

If Nash misses the playoffs and Gaborik makes it...blood bath in the Big Apple.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:57 AM

All the s*** storms whipped up here about cbj possibly beating us out and it being an all time low for Wings is misplaced.

.Cbj aint a bad team by any standard. Watch some hockey and get some perspective.

If they beat us out they deserve it.

Every team has their come up... We used to beat the tar out of the Hawks, Jacks, Blues and if we dont make the playoffs this year we dont deserve it.

I am optimistic though!'

The jackets are no joke....they play hard, urgent and deperate with somthing to prove:)

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:19 AM

If Columbus and Dallas both lose tonight, then it's solely in the Wings hands to make the playoffs. No excuses, but if the aforementioned should win tonight, I'm not so confident. I know Howard will bounce back Saturday in Vancouver and we've played well against them all year, and still have 3 home games remaining. It looks really good on paper, lets see how it plays out.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:37 AM

Columbus won't make it in. Not enough games vs too tough of competition.
 
Dallas is your only worry, but both teams have 2 games that wash (vs Van, vs LA) in terms of schedule. From this vantage point, it looks like game 48 determines who goes.

I totally disagree here. Columbus is playing the best hockey in our division right now. They have won the last 5 in a row, 3 of which they came from behind. Bobbrovski has been unreal.....second in the league in save percentage at .931. They were in 13th spot before the trade deadline and they have played hard, physical hockey and deserve to be where they are. We have a game in hand but the last 5 games they have NOT been playing the oilers....they have consecutive wins against SJ, St. Louis! Minny, Col and Anaheim last night. Everyone on that team is contributing and they frighten me. Detroit needs to take a page out of that book....never say die, never give up and keep it SIMPLE! Let's hope we can do that
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:43 AM

 

You suggested that I would've had Holland "Sacrifice draft picks, players, and long term sustainability all for 4-7 extra games." That, to me, is essentially a Gaborik, or another high-end-ish player of his ilk. Iginla, perhaps.

 

I could do without the condescension, the you-don't-really-understand bit. I could also do without this look-the bottom-line-is-Kenny's-hands-are-completely-tied mentality that so many here seem to stand by as unequivocal fact.

 

Do I believe Holland had a lot of options this season? Not at all. I followed the deadline very, very closely. Every GM and his mother wanted a top-sixer. And, yes, I realize that, in general, the price for even a relatively middling bottom-sixer is high enough to make you really sit and wonder if it wouldn't be worth standing pat.

 

But, you know what? We've been doing this there's-nothing-we-can-do-but-take-it-up-the-ass-and-like-it song and dance for several seasons now, and, all the while, we've been slipping and sliding down the slope. We were the class of the West (if not the League) when we took the Pens to seven. Now? Now our M.O. is "Suck and settle."

 

I'd be more understanding if this "rebuild" and "youth movement" weren't just the latest excuse.

 

But now I'm derailing the thread.

 

I'll tell you what: these Blue Jackets? They are a joy to watch.

 

If Nash misses the playoffs and Gaborik makes it...blood bath in the Big Apple.

 

I understand your frustration in the Wings decline, but the fact remains that the Detroit Red Wings are the LAST of an extinct breed called a 'dynasty' in any sport, nevermind just the NHL. Decades of winning hockey have greatly skewed all of our expectations for this team.

 

I'm not going to sit here and say you're wrong in your opinion or that trades couldn't have been made. What I am saying, is that as terribly perceived as things are at the moment, there are much MUCH worse scenarios and teams than the Wings right now. You lament a season that occurred 4 years ago, while a franchise like Toronto is just getting into the playoffs for the first time in a decade. I think some perspective is required with the situation in Detroit.

 

This 'class of the league' you speak of changes from month to month in the NHL now. The Red Wings dynasty of old is dead, and the longer that you try and hold onto that and believe that it can be recaptured, the longer you're going to be unhappy. 

 

What I am ultimately getting at here, is that there is/was no other team like the Detroit Red Wings in the NHL, so any rebuilding/re-tooling that this team does has ZERO blueprint. We've retired more Hall of Famer's in the past 3 years than some teams have retired in their entire existence in the NHL. Replacing them isn't a 1-for-1 deal and no matter who you bring in, they'll always pale in comparison to the Lidstroms/Rafalskis/Drapers/etc. These losses are meteoric for any team, let alone one with the history and pedigree of Detroit. The fact that the Wings are even in the playoff conversation is astonishing yet nobody wants to give the management credit for that, they'd rather see trades and action in an attempt to keep an already ridiculous playoff streak alive.

 

This cheque has been in the mail for a season like this ever since the Cup win, and now that the bill is here, not a lot of the fans seem to want to pay it.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:08 AM

It will be fun. BJ's have 1 fewer games to play and 2 points ahead, Stars have 1 more game than us and are 2 points behind. We have the tie breakers over BJ's but the Stars have the tie breaker over us. It will come down to the last game vs the Stars. The winner of that game gets to play Chicago in the 1st round.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:25 AM

It will be fun. BJ's have 1 fewer games to play and 2 points ahead, Stars have 1 more game than us and are 2 points behind. We have the tie breakers over BJ's but the Stars have the tie breaker over us. It will come down to the last game vs the Stars. The winner of that game gets to play Chicago in the 1st round.

 

I REAAALLLLY hope that isn't the case.  Dallas always brings it there against the Wings.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:33 AM

This team is playing their worst hockey at the worst time. I have zero faith in them and would be surprised if they made the playoffs. They're going to need A LOT of help from other teams, because they aren't going to suddenly flip a switch. Frustrating season.

I bet we're playing spoiler by the time we play Dallas.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:35 AM

 

I REAAALLLLY hope that isn't the case.  Dallas always brings it there against the Wings.

 

Then again Dallas always has a thing for screwing up games that would allow them into the playoffs. Call it a wash!


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:11 PM

I totally disagree here. Columbus is playing the best hockey in our division right now. They have won the last 5 in a row, 3 of which they came from behind. Bobbrovski has been unreal.....second in the league in save percentage at .931. They were in 13th spot before the trade deadline and they have played hard, physical hockey and deserve to be where they are. We have a game in hand but the last 5 games they have NOT been playing the oilers....they have consecutive wins against SJ, St. Louis! Minny, Col and Anaheim last night. Everyone on that team is contributing and they frighten me. Detroit needs to take a page out of that book....never say die, never give up and keep it SIMPLE! Let's hope we can do that

 

I agree with you, watching the last couple CBJ games really impressed me as far as the passion they're playing with. They're hungry, and they want a playoff spot way more than the Wings seem to. 


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:43 PM

I REAAALLLLY hope that isn't the case.  Dallas always brings it there against the Wings.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:55 PM

This is more stressful than an elimination game in the playoffs?  I think not. lol .


I am definitely just as stressed as I am during the playoffs. These ARE elimination games...the team just doesn't seem to notice that.

 
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:23 PM

I still feel like people don't realize that we actually played well last night. They only had 17 shots, remember. We put on 34. We Were buzzing. Not much you can do about a goalie standing on his head.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 03:26 PM

I'm going to go with us missing the playoffs (I know, a bold prediction at this point). Columbus seems to be a force right now... I think they are the team that will edge us out for 8th.

 

Our offense is just stagnant at the moment. That being said, I do have high hopes for us moving forward. A real shame we had so many injuries this year. I do believe a healthy Bert, Sammy, and Helm would have made us a solid team this year, at least good for 4th, 5th or 6th in the conference. Even if they only played half a season each... our offense just couldn't absorb their loss, being not as deep as we have been in years past. It's not just the numbers they put up, but the pressure they relieve from other players, and the overall solidification of our lines they would  bring.

 

Hey, at least I will get to cancel my cable a bit earlier this year. :D On a side note, I very much hope I am wrong.

 Maybe the BJ's are doing really good cause their young players like Calvert and Atkinson are getting loads of icetime, the kind Nyquist and Tatar should have been getting all year.  That and they traded 3 ok players and a 6th round pick for the sniper WE NEEDED! 


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