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#21 dat's sick

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 12:59 PM

I'm really scared Cleary will actually be re-signed. But even if he isn't, that still leaves Samuelsson taking up what should be Tatar's roster spot.    Not much hope for Holland buying out Sammy and thus not much hope for Tatar being a full-time Red Wing next season.    Can understand he's upset, as is every sane Red Wings fan. I am 100% convinced we'd be in better shape in the standings right now if Tatar was never sent down and got to play over Cleary/Eaves/Miller.    Honestly if I was Tatar I'd have a hard time holding in a "f*** you" when Holland comes and says he's getting sent down despite being one of the Wings best players for the 18 game stretch he was up. Imagine after that watching the games and seeing Cleary and Abdelkader in the top 6. 



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:03 PM

I'm pretty sure he's got Cleary's spot next season, but I can definitely understand his frustration. He looked pretty good during his time with the team, and it appears as if Nyquist is ready to make the jump as well. I truly feel like Cleary and Miller are done with the team, and an amnesty buyout should be used on Samuelsson.

If Tatar and Andersson (and Nyquist to a lesser extent) aren't with the Red Wings next season, there's really no defending Holland. The kids are ready.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:10 PM

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:27 PM

I am not trying to defend Holland, but how much of this is also on Babcock?  There seems to be no doubt that he prefers the Clearys and Millers(veterans) over younger players.  Holland may just be thinking it is better to be actually playing in GR then minimal mins in Det


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:32 PM

Babs seems to like this team for some reason... Only reason I can think of is that it gives him an excuse to lose. 


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:44 PM

Here's what I don't understand.  Even if we cut all the fat from the forward corps.  Let Cleary walk, buy out Bert or Sammy or both, and replace them will all the GR guys who deserve to come up, we're still one of the smallest and softest teams ever to be assembled.  You can't have a top six of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula, Tatar, Brunner, Nyquist, Jarnkrok.  They'll get forced to the outside, and wither away playing a perimeter game.  So it's pretty obvious that at some point some of these guys are going to have to be moved out and replaced with gritty guys with size right?


Edited by kipwinger, 18 April 2013 - 01:45 PM.

GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:51 PM

It's good Tatar said this.  Hopefully it will force Holland's hand to work him into the lineup next year or lose him over the likes of Cleary.  We already knew he was getting complacent, didn't a Euro team obtain his rights for after his contract with Detroit is up?


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:51 PM

Here's what I don't understand.  Even if we cut all the fat from the forward corps.  Let Cleary walk, buy out Bert or Sammy or both, and replace them will all the GR guys who deserve to come up, we're still one of the smallest and softest teams ever to be assembled.  You can't have a top six of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula, Tatar, Brunner, Nyquist, Jarnkrok.  They'll get forced to the outside, and wither away playing a perimeter game.  So it's pretty obvious that at some point some of these guys are going to have to be moved out and replaced with gritty guys with size right?

 

Big bodies?  Like Anthony Stewart (6' 3'', 230 lbs) who whiffed right past Holland's nose on the way through waivers?  Oh yeah, he's right handed too.

 

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 01:51 PM

Here's what I don't understand.  Even if we cut all the fat from the forward corps.  Let Cleary walk, buy out Bert or Sammy or both, and replace them will all the GR guys who deserve to come up, we're still one of the smallest and softest teams ever to be assembled.  You can't have a top six of Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula, Tatar, Brunner, Nyquist, Jarnkrok.  They'll get forced to the outside, and wither away playing a perimeter game.  So it's pretty obvious that at some point some of these guys are going to have to be moved out and replaced with gritty guys with size right?

I think a guy like Sheahan could go a long way if he develops into a top 6 guy. However, I don't think our toughness has to come just from the top 6 guys in the forward group. Dmen can also contribute to toughness and size and are on the ice at the same time as your top 6. 3/4th lines also can grind when they are out there. Not every team has a Lucic/Perry for their top 6 that can do it all. Montreal has gotten along nicely with a group of small players this year. 

 

Edit: Size and gritty dont usually translate to top 6 player all that often. These guys are usually special and are highly regarded by their team. Anthony Stewart isn't a top 6 player. Franzen has potential to be that guy and maybe thats what holland was banking on when he signed him. 


Edited by dirtydangles, 18 April 2013 - 01:53 PM.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:02 PM

I think a guy like Sheahan could go a long way if he develops into a top 6 guy. However, I don't think our toughness has to come just from the top 6 guys in the forward group. Dmen can also contribute to toughness and size and are on the ice at the same time as your top 6. 3/4th lines also can grind when they are out there. Not every team has a Lucic/Perry for their top 6 that can do it all. Montreal has gotten along nicely with a group of small players this year. 

 

Edit: Size and gritty dont usually translate to top 6 player all that often. These guys are usually special and are highly regarded by their team. Anthony Stewart isn't a top 6 player. Franzen has potential to be that guy and maybe thats what holland was banking on when he signed him. 

 

I like Sheahan fine, but he's another center.  I'm sick of watching this team move centers to the wing and then complain that they don't shoot/score enough.  I want actual wingers with some size, who can put the puck in the net.  They don't have to score 40 goals a season.  But if they could score 20-25 and do it from the crease/slot area then it would open up the ice for everyone else.  Ideally they'd play well on the boards and hang onto the puck as well. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:19 PM

I like Sheahan fine, but he's another center.  I'm sick of watching this team move centers to the wing and then complain that they don't shoot/score enough.  I want actual wingers with some size, who can put the puck in the net.  They don't have to score 40 goals a season.  But if they could score 20-25 and do it from the crease/slot area then it would open up the ice for everyone else.  Ideally they'd play well on the boards and hang onto the puck as well. 

I imagine I'll get blasted for even mentioning that Cleary didn't always suck, but essentially what you're really saying is that we need someone to replace Cleary from when he played well.  Which he really did at one point.  He was exactly that sort of player that we so badly need right now.  Of all of the pieces we've lost, I think people fail to acknowledge that he didn't always suck, and his descent has actually hurt us a lot.  Then add to that Bertuzzi's injury and Franzen's...whatever you want to call it....and I think you see where the problem stems from.

 

Edit: Oh, and Holmstrom.


Edited by Zetts, 18 April 2013 - 02:28 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:27 PM

I definitely wouldn't hate seeing a lineup like this next season.....

 

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Viktor Stalberg ($3.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Damien Brunner ($2.500m) 
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / David Clarkson ($4.500m) 
Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas  Tatar ($0.950m) 
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.950m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m) 
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / 
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) 
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Jakub Kindl ($2.500m) 
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) 
Brendan Smith ($1.500m) / 
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m) 
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m) 
OTHER
Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m) 
Buyout: Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m) 
Buried: Patrick Eaves ($0.275m) 
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,437,879; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,712,121

 

What would you all think of a lineup like that?  Adding size and grit with stalberg and clarkson. 



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:30 PM

The business side of the game should make Cleary clear waivers on his way to GR and Tatar should be a full time Wing.  Anyone who thinks he can't make a bigger impact than Cleary, or anyone in our bottom 6 did not watch him while he was up, and that includes Wings' management.  I'd be annoyed if I were him too.



I definitely wouldn't hate seeing a lineup like this next season.....

 

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Viktor Stalberg ($3.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Damien Brunner ($2.500m) 
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / David Clarkson ($4.500m) 
Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas  Tatar ($0.950m) 
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.950m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m) 
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / 
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) 
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Jakub Kindl ($2.500m) 
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) 
Brendan Smith ($1.500m) / 
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m) 
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m) 
OTHER
Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m) 
Buyout: Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m) 
Buried: Patrick Eaves ($0.275m) 
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,437,879; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,712,121

 

What would you all think of a lineup like that?  Adding size and grit with stalberg and clarkson. 

No way dude....we'd be a cup contender. :lol:  


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:31 PM

I have defended Holland a lot not only on here but talking with friends, but if Holland resigns Cleary then like Ally ill be on the fire Holland bandwagon!


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

Tatar needs to be up here... Plain and simple
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:50 PM

But Abdelkader has 9 goals.

Such crap this lineup is. That's why I don't like Holland. We don't need 29 average to above average players. We need 2 good centers, 2 good snipers, 2 good wingers, 6 young/fast/hungry guys.

Centers = We have Dats and Z.
Wingers = We have Franzen and Brunner.
Snipers = ???
Bottom 6 = Helm, Abdelkader, Andersson, Gus, Emdog, and Tatar
Fill Ins = Sheahan, Tootoo

There is no reason for Holland (or Babcock) to waste one more breath on Cleary, Bertuzzi, Samuelson, Colo, White, Eaves, Miller, or Filppula. Regardless of any value any of these players have, they do not help the Red Wings. We need GOALS.

Edited by The Axe, 18 April 2013 - 02:51 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:50 PM

The business side of the game should make Cleary clear waivers on his way to GR and Tatar should be a full time Wing.  Anyone who thinks he can't make a bigger impact than Cleary, or anyone in our bottom 6 did not watch him while he was up, and that includes Wings' management.  I'd be annoyed if I were him too.


No way dude....we'd be a cup contender. :lol:  


Exactly! The way I look at it our defense could definitely use help, don't get me wrong. But they are young and with a full offseason I think they will be a lot better.

Looking up front we would be WAY better! You'd have Pav, Z, Mule, Clarkson, stalberg, brunner as your main top 6 forwards. That top 6 has size, speed, and great skill! A blend of everything.

Then when you look at the third line you got skill, speed, and a whole lot of hunger! Nyquist, Tatar, and helm would be the best 3rd line in hockey!

Then the 4th is solid with Anderson up the middle add in Abby and tootoo and it's very physical.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:51 PM

I definitely wouldn't hate seeing a lineup like this next season.....

 

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Viktor Stalberg ($3.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Damien Brunner ($2.500m) 
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / David Clarkson ($4.500m) 
Gustav Nyquist ($0.950m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas  Tatar ($0.950m) 
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.950m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m) 
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / 
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) 
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Jakub Kindl ($2.500m) 
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Brian Lashoff ($0.725m) 
Brendan Smith ($1.500m) / 
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($5.292m) 
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m) 
OTHER
Buyout: Mikael Samuelsson ($0.000m) 
Buyout: Carlo Colaiacovo ($0.000m) 
Buried: Patrick Eaves ($0.275m) 
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,437,879; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,712,121

 

What would you all think of a lineup like that?  Adding size and grit with stalberg and clarkson. 

If he's slotted properly, I'd want Samuelsson in there.  Specifically, on the third line.  Yeah, he can be frustrating, but he does score, he plays a simple game and is decent defensively.  Getting a scoring push from our third line would be great.  When we won the cup in '08, our third line a lot of the time was Sammy/Fil/Hudler.  It was probably the best third line in the league.

 

Edit: And hopefully he can stay healthy.  WTF is up with that this year?  I don't recall him having injuries like that when he was here before.


Edited by Zetts, 18 April 2013 - 02:55 PM.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:51 PM

Yeah, this is a knock on Holland from me, Tatar should have been on this team, he's deserved it. I don't blame him for being frustrated.



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Posted 18 April 2013 - 02:54 PM

If he's slotted properly, I'd want Samuelsson in there.  Specifically, on the third line.  Yeah, he can be frustrating, but he does score, he plays a simple game and is decent defensively.  Getting a scoring push from our third line would be great.  When we won the cup in '08, our third line a lot of the time was Sammy/Fil/Hudler.  It was probably the best third line in the league.


So you'd rather have Sammy at the expense of stalberg/ clarkson/ nyquist/ Tatar? I don't think you'll see too many people agreeing with you on that. Plus having a line of goose- helm- Tatar will be the best 3rd line in hockey





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