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#21 Euro_Twins

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:14 AM

So this thread is serious?!  I can never tell around here ahahaha...The facts are right now he IS a bargain for the points he puts up, will he STILL be a bargain when he's 52?  Who know's but he's the Mule right now and it's the perfect time.  

 

 

who cares, he is only signed till he is 40, not 52...

 

With the large caveat that when Franzen plays with intensity he's one of the best forwards in the game - but the man floated for 35 or more games this year and played like a 9 year old girl at times.

 

A hot streak doesn't mean he's a bargain all of a sudden.  It means he needs to bring that same intensity over the full season instead of just when the Wings backs' are up against the wall.

 

he has played 40 games, the last 14 games he has been by far one of our best players, so he "floated" for like 25 games. I couldn't care less cause he still put up points,not nearly the kind of points he has put up in the last 10 games, but the good thing about franzen is he is currently getting really hot just in time for playoffs, and can carry this team a few rounds single handedly



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:23 AM

 

 

who cares, he is only signed till he is 40, not 52...

 

 

he has played 40 games, the last 14 games he has been by far one of our best players, so he "floated" for like 25 games. I couldn't care less cause he still put up points,not nearly the kind of points he has put up in the last 10 games, but the good thing about franzen is he is currently getting really hot just in time for playoffs, and can carry this team a few rounds single handedly

 

Wow, I wish I could basically show up and go through the motions for 50% of the time while I'm at work and still get paid and not get fired.

 

His efforts this year in at least 30 games has been unacceptable - don't let the stat lines fool you, at the beginning of this hot streak he was playing tissue paper soft defense and physicality - the physical play only picked up two weeks ago.  If he would bring what he's brought this past two weeks or so, he's a top 5 forward in the league.  But when he plays like he did for January/February and March, he's barely a top-6 forward.

 

More than anything, Franzen is a shooter on a team that has guys who love to make pretty passes.  If he doesn't play with an edge, the Wings look like crap (i.e. what they looked like in January, February and March).


Don't take it from fans on LGW, take it from his peers. NHL players have spoken and they think Tootoo is the dirtiest player in the league.

Get a clue already.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:41 AM

I asked this before in a Franzen thread:

 

Those of you who think playing like a 4 mil a year player is ok now because it is his cap hit, while he is actually getting paid 5.25 mil this year,  will you still expect him to play like a 4 mil player at age 40?

 

If not, then please stop saying he is a bargain at 4 mil a year.

 

That is his cap hit, not what he is being paid nor what we should expect from him.

 

He has said it, his coach has said, he lacks motivation a lot of times.

 

I am not surprised he is playing very well right now, the Wings have been in playoff mode for weeks, roughly the length of his streak.

 

And the Franzen apologists will come out and say if we put the last few weeks of this season, and the last month or so of season X you will see he is a monster.

WRONG!

 

i will see that he is a floater and plays when and where he wants because you had to pick and choose segments of his seasons.

 

His defensive play as of late is all I need to see to know that he spent the better part of this season disinterested, he is now playing D up and down the ice, 3 weeks ago he wasn't defending anything.

 

When Franzen puts an effort in for a full season, not a couple of months here and a couple of months there, I will back off of him.

 

But he only plays in Mule mode when he thinks it best, I like that about as much as I like diving!

 

He scores around 28 goals a season, however most of that is done in about 2 months worth of effort and work, if he worked as hard the rest of the season as he is working right now he would be in talks for the Art Ross.

 

Instead he is Floater of the Year!

 

 

That is the sickening part, he could be a top flight player in this league. Instead he plays when he wants, at least the last guy that played like this in the Winged Wheel was quite possibly the best defensive forward to ever play the game.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:08 AM

Whats most frustrating is that if we just would have gotten 15 more games this year of 'present day mule' we are sitting in 3rd or 4th right now.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:09 AM

A hot streak doesn't mean he's a bargain all of a sudden.  It means he needs to bring that same intensity over the full season instead of just when the Wings backs' are up against the wall.

 

Then we would be paying him 7 mill per season. You idiots around here that think everyone needs to be a 80 point player. How many 80 point players do you think we could afford in a salary cap world? Franzen has the best contract on the Detroit Red Wings besides Datsyuk. Like seriously 3.9 million dollar cap hit and you expect this guy to produce a point per game around here? Who the hell can you get who is better than Franzen for 3.9?

Franzen has 3 playoff runs where he averaged over a point per game. Last season no one on our team scored including Datsyuk and Zetterberg who each had 3 points in our short playoff run. So don't pull the Franzen hasn't showed up in the playoffs in years bulls***.

God everytime I decide to visit these forums I get so annoyed and just have to ***** at everyone. You guys are like 13 year old girls bitching none stop about everything. OMG HOLLAND PWEASE GET ME PARISE, OVECHKIN, SEMIN, WEBER FOR 5 MILLION A SEASON OR IM NOT WATCHING ANYMORE. Like for F sakes watch the games and appreciate the team we have because there are alot of good reasons to enjoy the product we have on the ice. Like for one we have Paval Datsyuk who is the most talented player in the world and we have some amazing prospects to watch develop.



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:09 AM

It's not all stats. When franzen is playing like this, of course he's a bargain. It's just frustrating when he's not producing. We know he can do better. And when he's playing like s***, it just looks like he doesn't care. If franzen makes up for it by doing this every year, he will be forgiven time and time again. But, when he is floating early on in the season, he should expect to get some grief in the court of public opinion.

I'm absolutely ecstatic that he's turning it around. I just think it's a little disingenuous to pretend like he doesn't play like garbage for several games at a time.

Edit: I'm just thinking of all the grief clearly gets because he has no talent. The thing about clearing is that he busts his ass. I think it reflects worse on franzen because he is capable of doing better. He just doesn't try.

Edited by The Greek, 26 April 2013 - 11:16 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:13 AM

Why argue about Franzen? He's a wing for life. We all know what he does. He's consistently inconsistent. But with the exception of a few years where he got dinged up, he's produced. This guy isn't the roster spot to worry about. At 4 mil per, he's fairly priced for what he's produced.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:22 AM

If current Mule was here all season we'd be in a race with Chicago. He gets paid what he deserves and deserves what he's paid.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:23 AM

Franzen haters gonna hate

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:30 AM

Franzen continues to be the most undeserved whipping boy ever. He's only led the team in goals every single year since he's had his contract.... and he is making UNDER FOUR MILLION DOLLARS.

 

I love it when people can tell how much "effort" someone is putting in. Even when he is outscoring, outhitting, and outplaying almost everyone else on the team, it is still Franzen who gets constantly criticized, even over the players who are making more money than him.

 

Franzen's been one of the hardest working players on the team all year. 


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:34 AM

Franzen continues to be the most undeserved whipping boy ever. He's only led the team in goals every single year since he's had his contract.... and he is making UNDER FOUR MILLION DOLLARS.
 
I love it when people can tell how much "effort" someone is putting in. Even when he is outscoring, outhitting, and outplaying almost everyone else on the team, it is still Franzen who gets constantly criticized, even over the players who are making more money than him.
 
Franzen's been one of the hardest working players on the team all year. 


You're gonna get flamed for this... The same people that hate Franzen love using statistics in other arguments but when it comes to Franzen they get thrown out the window

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:36 AM

I asked this before in a Franzen thread:

 

Those of you who think playing like a 4 mil a year player is ok now because it is his cap hit, while he is actually getting paid 5.25 mil this year,  will you still expect him to play like a 4 mil player at age 40?

 

If not, then please stop saying he is a bargain at 4 mil a year.

 

That is his cap hit, not what he is being paid nor what we should expect from him.

 

He has said it, his coach has said, he lacks motivation a lot of times.

 

I am not surprised he is playing very well right now, the Wings have been in playoff mode for weeks, roughly the length of his streak.

 

And the Franzen apologists will come out and say if we put the last few weeks of this season, and the last month or so of season X you will see he is a monster.

WRONG!

 

i will see that he is a floater and plays when and where he wants because you had to pick and choose segments of his seasons.

 

His defensive play as of late is all I need to see to know that he spent the better part of this season disinterested, he is now playing D up and down the ice, 3 weeks ago he wasn't defending anything.

 

When Franzen puts an effort in for a full season, not a couple of months here and a couple of months there, I will back off of him.

 

But he only plays in Mule mode when he thinks it best, I like that about as much as I like diving!

 

He scores around 28 goals a season, however most of that is done in about 2 months worth of effort and work, if he worked as hard the rest of the season as he is working right now he would be in talks for the Art Ross.

 

Instead he is Floater of the Year!

 

 

That is the sickening part, he could be a top flight player in this league. Instead he plays when he wants, at least the last guy that played like this in the Winged Wheel was quite possibly the best defensive forward to ever play the game.

 

we know what franzen brings every game, management knows, franzen and his agent know. That is why his cap hit is 4mil. We know he is streaky, and he really turns it on before and during the playoffs, and for what he produces he gets paid accordingly, if he went full mule all year long, we would be paying him upwards of 7m+/year cap hit, that is how it goes, to have a 28+ goal scorer for 4m is a good deal, especially considering how he plays in the playoffs.



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:43 AM

I also love how people say he is playing piss poor offesively and defensively, considering before april he was still a +8, and had 18 points in 28 games, and he is currently having his best career ppg season



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:49 AM

I also love how people say he is playing piss poor offesively and defensively, considering before april he was still a +8, and had 18 points in 28 games, and he is currently having his best career ppg season

To be accurate....2008-09 was his best ppg season



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:53 AM

What seperates guys like Franzen from guys like Datsyuk/Zetterberg/other elite forwards is their DRIVE.

 

Like it has been saide, if the Mule could just harnass an energy or drive level from game to game the way he has recently, he could be an elite player.

 

As far as shot goes, let's face it: he has the best shot on the team and it isn't close. If we could only have that all the time.


Edited by unsaddleddonald, 26 April 2013 - 11:53 AM.


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Posted 26 April 2013 - 11:55 AM

To be accurate....2008-09 was his best ppg season

 

you are right, my bad, but it is pretty darn close to it, like 2 points off lol. I would also like to point out he has 5 straight seasons over 70% ppg production at 3.9mil cap hit, and flip wants 5mil... LMAO



What seperates guys like Franzen from guys like Datsyuk/Zetterberg/other elite forwards is their DRIVE.

 

Like it has been saide, if the Mule could just harnass an energy or drive level from game to game the way he has recently, he could be an elite player.

 

As far as shot goes, let's face it: he has the best shot on the team and it isn't close. If we could only have that all the time.

 

you look like franzen lol



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 12:01 PM

 

you are right, my bad, but it is pretty darn close to it, like 2 points off lol. I would also like to point out he has 5 straight seasons over 70% ppg production at 3.9mil cap hit, and flip wants 5mil... LMAO



 

you look like franzen lol

 

LOL, that is Franzen.



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 12:07 PM

Whats most frustrating is that if we just would have gotten 15 more games this year of 'present day mule' we are sitting in 3rd or 4th right now.

 

This argument makes no sense to me. You're using hypotheticals to blame Johan Franzen, of all people, for where the Wings currently sit in the standings?

 

I'll play too for a sec:

 

Datsyuk and Zetterberg.... the past month or so both have been fairly mediocre - at times down right invisible. If they were both playing at their elite level we all know they're capable of.... wouldn't the Wings be in better position?

 

Filppula - he's been down right terrible this season and makes only marginally less money than Franzen. Wouldn't the Wings be doing better if he was playing like he did last year?

 

You can say the same for almost every player on the team this season at one point or another.

 

Then there's the injuries, the short season, etc, etc, etc.

 

My point being Franzen is ONE player (who's actually been playing pretty darn well). To blame the shortcomings of this team on him is just asinine and sums up pretty well the irrational hatred he receives from this fan base a lot of the time.


Edited by hooon, 26 April 2013 - 12:07 PM.

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Posted 26 April 2013 - 12:08 PM

Back when Mule re-signed, he had come off a breakout season and we were up to the cap to the point that we couldn't have offered him money equal to what he would have been worth on a short-term deal where we knew that he'd play each and every year like he did in '08.

 

Plus we were using Lids as the un-official salary cap.

 

Mule playing for a few years like he did in '08 would have cost us a lot more per year.

 

We got him long-term at a price we could afford.  He could have gotten more on the open market, but he wanted to stay a Wing.

 

I get that people don't like to see him float, but the guy puts up the points.  Results are what count in the end.

 

For the results he brings, he's a bargain at the price.  It's sort of like the cap hit thing.

He plays like a million-dollar player for x games and like a 7-million-dollar player for x games and his average is that he plays like a 4-million-dollar player.

 

As long as the 7-million guy shows up when we need him, I'll accept the million-dollar guy floating around when we don't.



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Posted 26 April 2013 - 12:29 PM

Whats most frustrating is that if we just would have gotten 15 more games this year of 'present day mule' we are sitting in 3rd or 4th right now.

Any team can say that about almost any of their players. 

 

What makes Franzen a 4 mil player instead of a 7-8 mil superstar is he doesn't have the drive/focus/heart/dedication/interest/want/will/ability/energy/stamina/mojo to play like this for 82 or even 48 games. Even players with much, much more skill and talent can suffer from that problem.  

 

But in general I will rather have a player that brings it when it comes down to the wire, than one who dominates in nothing games against nothing opponents and then disappears when it's make-or-break time. 







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