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WCQF Game 3 GDT - Ducks 4 @ Red Wings 0 (ANA leads series 2-1)

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#761 GoWings1905

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:03 AM

Was at the game last night. The pre-game was awesome like usual and the atmosphere was electric. Unfortunately, everything after that point wasn't very memorable. 

 

- Didn't like the way Babcock played last change in this game. I wouldn't use top line against top line personally. I think it negates the one line the Wings need to have going at even strength. Let Filppula's line matchup against Getzlaf instead. They can handle their own defensively.

 

- Game was lost really in the first period. Too many chances on the PP and nothing to show for it. Why do they insist on making cute passes through the middle instead of shooting the puck? The guys at the point did very poorly getting shots through to the net as well.

 

- NHL officials are doing a real quality job ruining playoff hockey again. Nobody knows what a penalty is still on a nightly basis. Put the whistles away and let the players decide the damn outcome. 

 

- The Red Wings really miss DeKeyser and it was obvious. His speed and ability to move the puck out can't be replaced. The entire defense struggled with the Ducks forecheck and clearing the zone. They get pinned in deep and can't transition to offense because no one on defense can get the puck back and make the first pass out cleanly. Kindl and Lashoff especially broke down defensively. 

 

- Jimmy was good, even with the lopsided score. Could have been far worse before the Wings threw in the towel during the third without Jimmy keeping them in it prior to the collapse. 

 

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:05 AM

People will say that the Abby hit and ensuing 5 minute PP was what lost the Wings the game, but take a look at the PP numbers.  Detroit was 0-for-6 on the PP, which included a 5-on-3.  Anaheim was 2-for-6, with one being on the 5 minute major. Couple that with the fact that Detroit had 9 giveaways, including a horrendous one by Brunner.  The Wings lost this game in the 1st period when they couldn't bury the Ducks as they paraded to the penalty box.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:07 AM

Didn't have a chance to catch the game last night, had to work.  What the hell happened?  I doubt seriously Dekeyser accounts for that kind of a fall off.  Was Lashoff in for him?  If so, how did he look?


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:11 AM

Didn't have a chance to catch the game last night, had to work.  What the hell happened?  I doubt seriously Dekeyser accounts for that kind of a fall off.  Was Lashoff in for him?  If so, how did he look?

 

Dekeyser didn't account for that much of a falloff, thats for sure.  The team just didn't look good from the start.  Yes, they had chances, but I thought that the Wings came out with a mediocre performance while the Ducks were playing in playoff mode.  Lashoff looked fine out there.  He wasn't a hinderance thats for sure.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:30 AM

 
Dekeyser didn't account for that much of a falloff, thats for sure.  The team just didn't look good from the start.  Yes, they had chances, but I thought that the Wings came out with a mediocre performance while the Ducks were playing in playoff mode.  Lashoff looked fine out there.  He wasn't a hinderance thats for sure.


The one thing I will add, on the 3rd goal I believe it was lashoff in front of the bet had no body covered... Kindl followed the guy around the net, the forward made the pass through him and lashoff was standing far post doing nothing and a guy came in shortside and buried.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:49 AM

1. Abby hit WAS NOT a penalty, not now, not then, not in 1935. The Ref was standing two feet from the hit, watching the play with his own two eyes. The Duck had the puck, Ref's attention was not elsewhere.  He watched the guy fall to the ice. He saw it was shoulder on shoulder hit, he saw that Abby was gliding and not "charging" towards him....bulls*** call from a ref 200 feet away and it will be bulls*** if he should get suspended....

 

 

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#1 principal point of contact was the head, he got body too, but shoulder first went into the head. Rule 48

 

#2 He left his feet on the hit, that's also against the rules, and according to rule 42 that makes it a charge

 

42.1 Charging - A minor or major penalty shall be imposed on a player who skates or jumps into, or charges an opponent in any manner.

 

 

So this is just another case of Abdelkader being a bonehead, and making a stupid play in the playoffs that costs the Wings a game.


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#767 nuts2u

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:52 AM

Go watch some if those goals again and also game 1. Nuff sai

 

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:53 AM

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#1 principal point of contact was the head, he got body too, but shoulder first went into the head. Rule 48
 
#2 He left his feet on the hit, that's also against the rules, and according to rule 42 that makes it a charge
 
So this is just another case of Abdelkader being a bonehead, and making a stupid play in the playoffs that costs the Wings a game.

 
To keep the GDT from getting dominated by discussion of Abby's hit, let's discuss it here:
 
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:04 AM

I don't know about you guys but that Abby call got me so mad. If that isn't a hockey play I don't know what is anymore.

I turned the game off right after they got a goal on the 5 min BS PP.  I no longer have any faith in the NHL.  Rich is right, hockey was better in the 80's, and I loved the early 90's.  Hockey was played by men back then.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:05 AM

And wow did we miss Danny D or what? 3 gimmie goals right in front of the crease. If Big Rig isn't out there we've got no one willing to knock people on their ass.

 

It's difficult to watch players stand in front of our goal unmolested. We have a bunch of sissy players.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:14 AM

 

Who is blaming this game on Howard?

 

I don't think anyone was but I guess you're not suppose  critique his game unless you want a beat down.



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:30 AM

Wings should have come out like the Isles have today!!!!!

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:51 AM

Wings should have come out like the Isles have today!!!!!

The Wings play defense like the Islanders. 2-2 now.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:12 PM

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#1 principal point of contact was the head, he got body too, but shoulder first went into the head. Rule 48

 

#2 He left his feet on the hit, that's also against the rules, and according to rule 42 that makes it a charge

 

So this is just another case of Abdelkader being a bonehead, and making a stupid play in the playoffs that costs the Wings a game.

 

Find the other angle of the hit, principle point of contact was shoulder then into the head with momentum...he glided into the body, left his feet when he hit him....it was not a charge, it was not a hit to the head on the principle point of contact. If it were the ref standing right there would have called the penalty. He seen the hit up close, he wasn't looking the other way he was looking right at it and watched the guy fall to the ice...

 

I know folks are trying to not sound like homers, but you aren't if you are defending the hit...it was not a penalty when the ref looked right at it and deemed it wasn't, it should not be suspension worthy...if it is, then something is terribly wrong with the NHL.  The hit that Souray put on Abby in game 2, cross check from behind, head into the boards was far FAR worse than Abby's hit and he only got a two minute penalty...if you were looking to find a hit that deserved 5:00 of penalty time, that would the one over the Abby hit...as a matter of fact Perry's careless use f his skate against Howards head was a worse disregard for another player than a clean open ice hit...

 

I am not defending the hit and saying that is why they lost.  Hit or not, penalty or not, the Wings didn't show up to play and that is why they lost...and two goals that Howard NEEDED to make, but that crap happens too...



 

 

Even these announcers say "It looks like his elbow rolls off his shoulder and then into the head..." Exactly what the ref standing right there saw... Don't know how the REF 200 feet away sees it better than the ref right there to make a call. No Penalty. Period. Not now, not ever...


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:21 PM

How can a team in this day and age play Samuelsson and Cleary on the same powerplay unit?


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:08 PM

No blame on Howard yet. But he does need to bail out defense more often than that. It seems as though as soon as he gives up a couple of goals, everything goes down hill. It may be a confidence problem with the young defense and somewhat with Howard as well. Notice how with Lidstrom, giving up 2 goals still guaranteed you a comeback. Unfortunately Howard doesn't have that aura in front of him anymore and he's got to do it on his own. It's hard but he can do it.



How can a team in this day and age play Samuelsson and Cleary on the same powerplay unit?

Apparently Babcock doesn't realize that Cleary and Samuelsson aren't 2008 players anymore where they were somewhat decent and young. 5 years later.....



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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

Have to score a goal to win and we had the chances to do it. Howie Im sure felt like he could have been better and though I don't fault him for last night (rather the way things played out after Abs hit) it seemed as if though even he didn't commit to a full 60 minutes. Boys have to be better tomorrow and show the compete level they showed the first part of game 2. Hopefully after what happened yesterday it lights a fire under them because even though it may be deemed a suspension for Justin, at least he's showing some intensity. 

3 Games in and no news on Helm kills... His intensity is being missed. 


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:02 PM

Last nights game stunk of 2003 all over again...Goalie cannot score goals. Sure, goals 3 and 4 were goals that Howard could have had, maybe should have, but those things happen, to every goalie.  Fact is, if Wings score on a PP or two, the game goes a whole different direction... Like 2003 I am no more blaming this lose on Howard as I didn't blame Cujo for the sweep. Team has to score goals, so when your goalie gives up a bad goal or two (and it will happen, right Roy? :lol: ) it doesn't hurt as bad...Ob La Di Ob La Da....Wings gotta score to win. I am glad we made the playoffs, but Holland needs to desperately address this come June and July...the Wings need scoring and a LEGIT #1 defender. I love our young D core, but they need that #1 D that can get the puck to the net and score himself...Kronwall is not it. Ericsson is not it. Who do we get? Dunno, but Yandle could fit the bill in a big way... If the Wings had a D-Man who could actually get the puck through to the net on a consistent basis, they would score more goals...and avoid games like last night.


Edited by LeftWinger, 05 May 2013 - 02:05 PM.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:11 PM

Last nights game stunk of 2003 all over again...Goalie cannot score goals. Sure, goals 3 and 4 were goals that Howard could have had, maybe should have, but those things happen, to every goalie.  Fact is, if Wings score on a PP or two, the game goes a whole different direction... Like 2003 I am no more blaming this lose on Howard as I didn't blame Cujo for the sweep. Team has to score goals, so when your goalie gives up a bad goal or two (and it will happen, right Roy? :lol: ) it doesn't hurt as bad...Ob La Di Ob La Da....Wings gotta score to win. I am glad we made the playoffs, but Holland needs to desperately address this come June and July...the Wings need scoring and a LEGIT #1 defender. I love our young D core, but they need that #1 D that can get the puck to the net and score himself...Kronwall is not it. Ericsson is not it. Who do we get? Dunno, but Yandle could fit the bill in a big way... If the Wings had a D-Man who could actually get the puck through to the net on a consistent basis, they would score more goals...and avoid games like last night.

 

I simple refuse to think that Holland would be content with this team going forward, no matter what happens in the playoffs. Changes are needed, bring in new faces Clarkson would be good hint, add an enforcer and bring in a number 1 defenseman, if the Blues can not come to terms with Pietrangelo  ore are trying to penny pinch offersheet the guy!  Yandle is a good second pairing guy but I don't trust him as a solid number 1. I also think a guy like Phaneuf could help a lot not sure he likes the 24/7 media-attention known as Toronto.

 

On a positive side I am very impressed with our young core, getting these guys has been a masterful job by Holland and company.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:41 PM

How could you get charging out of that? AB's was gliding for 10ft prior to impact. There was no penalty. If this was the Scott Stevens era there would have been nothing but a momentum shift for the wings.

 

Because Abs took several strides in the same direction to make the hit. I don't know the exact rules but that's the only thing I could see being called and I said at most that is what could be called when the refs stretch to find something wrong like they always do. I think the hit warranted no penalty at all because I think you need like 5 strides to call charging. Bettman has these refs heads so screwed up, they don't even know what's a penalty and what isn't any more and they are under so much pressure to protect a player that when they see someone shaken up from a play, they have a confab and kick out the 'offender'.

 

It's ruining the game but what the hell can we do about it? I'm just glad players like Konstantinov weren't born 10 or 15 years later and we actually got to see them play in an era how hockey was meant to be played.


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