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#1 blueadams

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:07 PM

I started a 2013 off-season thread.  But the more I think about it, the more I realize that this is going to be a two off-season process.  So, I wanted to start a new thread to talk about that process.  If the multiple threads bother some, I apologize; this is how I prefer it.

*Disclaimer.  I still think that we're going to win this series; and no one looks unbeatable to me on our side.  If Jimmy stays hot / gets hotter, who knows.  I just like talking about off-seasons..

I'm 25 years old.  Last off-season was the single biggest red wings catastrophe that I've ever seen; and there are still a number of bad contracts on the books for next season as a result of that.  However, two of those bad contracts can be bought out this off-season, and the rest of them are going to be off the books going into next off-season.  Given the impressive growth shown by our young core this season, if we can manage to add two things over the next two off-seasons - - - a stud, pure-scoring wing and a top-pairing (preferably RH'ed) defenseman - - - I think that we're the odds on favorites to win it all season after next.

Here's how I break us down:

 

Forwards:

-1) P. Datsyuk.  There's nothing more important than making Pav happy, making sure that he'll have a legit chance to win another ring if he returns, and convincing him to finish his career here in Detroit after his contract expires next season.  Nothing more important than that.

 

-2) H. Zetterberg.  He's here.  I'm glad.

-3) *???*.  This is where we need to add someone (no idea who?).  Top-line pure scoring wing.  Must get one.  Must.

-4) J. Franzen,  He's here.  If we can trade him for someone who plays harder, is more physical, and who isn't much worse offensively, then sure, you do it.  If you can't, we're fine.

 

-5) D. Brunner.  I like Brunner, a lot.  I'd resign him this off-season for sure.
 

-6) V. Filppula.  Similar to Mule.  If you can find someone who plays harder, is more physical, and who isn't much worse offensively (or at least shoots more), then sure, you do it.  If you can't, resign Val, and we're fine.

 

-7) G. Nyquist.  I like Gus a lot too.  Resign him this off-season for sure.

-8) T. Tatar.  I think he's ready for the show.  Call him up now and get him some experience.

-9) C. Jarnkrok.  He might not be quite readyet.  But I'd prefer to see him called up asap to gain some experience.

 

-10) D. Helm.  He's here.  Hopefully he'll be healthy.
 

-11) J. Abdelkader.  He's here.  I'm glad.  Big strides this season.

-12) J. Andersson.  I'd definitely resign him this off-season.

 

-13) R. Sheahan/T. Pulkkinen/M. Frk/T. Jurco.  In two years, I'd imagine that one of these prospects is more valuable to the roster than an Emmerton.

 

-14) J. Tootoo.  He's here.  Having a goon that'll fight anyone, but who can still skate and move the puck well enough not to kill his line, isn't the worst thing to have in a reserve forward.

 


-M. Samuelsson.  I'd use one of the buy-outs on him.  He costs us a lot.  He's not going to be healthy.  I don't think he fits in that well with what we're trying to be.  He takes valuable experience away from young players.  Just axe him and move on.

 

-T. Bertuzzi.  I'd let him go next off-season.  Repeat all the things I said about Sammy.  But he's been here longer and makes less, so I guess I'd rather eat him for another season if I had to pick one.  He can hold that roster spot until we bring in our stud top line scorer.

 

-P. Eaves.  I'd let him go next off-season.  Don't hate Eaves.  Don't like him.  Roster's just too talented for him to have a place on it.  I'd probably send him to Grand Rapids to make space for Jarnkrok next season.

-C. Emmerton.  I'd let him go next off-season (if we can't get him back on a two-way deal).  Again, don't hate him.  Roster's just too talented for him to hold a spot.  He can hold onto a roster spot next season until one of Sheahan, Pulkkinen, Frk or Jurco is ready.

 

-D. Cleary.  I'd let him go this off-season.  Don't hate him.  Don't like him.  No room on the roster.

-D. Miller.  I'd let him go this off-season.  Don't hate him.  No room on the roster.

 

 

Defensemen:

 

-1) N. Kronwall.  He's here.  I'm glad.  No one's Norris-Nick.  He's a solid top-pairing D.

-2) *???*.  This is where we need help.  RH-er on the PP who's great in his own zone would be incredible.

-3) D. DeKeyser.  Love him.  Must be re-signed.  2nd pairing D for sure.

-4) B. Smith.  Love his growth too.  Must be re-signed.  2nd pairing D for sure.


-5) J. Ericsson.  He's solid enough to keep.  Resign him after next season.

-6) J. Kindl.  He's starting to show some real saviness out there.  I'd resign him and keep him around to compete with the rising prospects for that last spot.

-7) B. Lashoff/R. Sproul/X. Oullet.  Lashoff's here.  He's alright, I guess.  Talent on his heels, fortunatel
y.

 

-C. Colaicovo.  He's completely useless.  I'd buy him out asap.

 

-K. Quincey.  Bad signing.  I'd let him walk after next season.  He can hold onto that roster spot until we get our new top-pairing D.


-I. White.  He's walking.

 

Goalies:

-1) J. Howard.  He's here.  I'm glad.

-2) P. Mrazek.  He should be read
y to take over as the backup season after next.

 

-J. Gustavsson.  He can hold down the backup spot for one more season, then it's later.


Edited by blueadams, 09 May 2013 - 01:51 PM.


#2 unsaddleddonald

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:28 PM

*Sigh*

 

I appreciated the time you took to put this together and your analysis, but this "here's my idea for what we should do roster-wise/roster analysis" is a tired topic.  



#3 stillwater

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:32 PM

A new "idea" everyday.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 12:41 PM

Not this again


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#5 rick zombo

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:06 PM

Blue, I agree with evrything you say. Just not sure I agree with the need to start a new thread, but whatevs.....


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#6 Nicholonio

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:12 PM

I don't mind these threads, but they just seemed like you kept repeating the same thing over and over for each person. At least go more in depth.



#7 blueadams

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 01:51 PM

I don't mind these threads, but they just seemed like you kept repeating the same thing over and over for each person. At least go more in depth.

I didn't want to make it too long.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 02:03 PM

Bit early in the day for me to pop open a frosty one, but a tradition is a tradition, that is what this franchise is all about.

 

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#9 Nicholonio

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 03:53 PM

I didn't want to make it too long.

But it didn't really add anything to stand out like all the other threads that are here, you know?

It is always nice to see everyone's opinions...



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:04 PM


-6) V. Filppula.  Similar to Mule.  If you can find someone who plays harder, is more physical, and who isn't much worse offensively (or at least shoots more), then sure, you do it.  If you can't, resign Val, and we're fine.

 

Just one thing I wanted to add: this, to me, entirely depends on how much he asks for.  I like the guy ok, but the 5M+ he's asking for is a massive overpayment.  I'd be ok with 4M / yr for maybe 3 years.  And no NTC.  I'd bet he'll be offered a better deal though.  So if he stays, I for one will probably be unhappy with it.  Hopefully he either asks for less or walks.



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 04:18 PM

Find a new hobby, you have posted 268 fixes for our roster a day from now, a week from now, 2 years from now, 24 years from now.  Your credibility is 0.  


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#12 Euro_Twins

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:31 PM

seriously, didn't you just post almost the exact same thread yesterday or the day before? c'mon man, stop clogging up the main page



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 05:49 PM

I think we all agree with you. Its just we all know that Holland doesn't have the stones to use an amnesty on his loyal players - even though it makes so much sense. He'd rather have Tatar and the youngsters get super angsty against the organization first before they come in at age 29. 


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 07:40 PM

Agree with everything except Emdog and Quincey. Quincey is becoming a great defensemen. He was rock solid last night. And Emdog is a cheap, consistant guy down the middle who isnt gonna chew any cap ever. No reason to get him up to speed and thrn dump him.

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 08:39 PM

I think we all agree with you. Its just we all know that Holland doesn't have the stones to use an amnesty on his loyal players - even though it makes so much sense. He'd rather have Tatar and the youngsters get super angsty against the organization first before they come in at age 29. 

I agree that it's unlikely that Holland uses buyouts. But Colaiacovo doesn't qualify as a loyal player. I could see him possibly being bought out or traded if he has value to another team



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:11 PM

I haven't even seen a 2013 off season thread.. probably fell off the main page because 99% of us are worrying about the playoffs right now I'd assume? Sorry but this read was almost a waste of time, kept reading same things over and over. Should've made a list of who stays, who goes and don't even give reasons.


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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:14 PM

There is absolutely nothing original in the op. Not trying to be rude, but do you read anything on the forum other than your posts?

Buy out Sammy, we need a RH #1-2 dman, need a elite winger to play with Pavel...

Literally everyone has been saying all of this for what seems like forever.
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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:17 PM

Not trying to be an ass or anything, but maybe start blogging this stuff?



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Posted 09 May 2013 - 09:29 PM

Trade Quincey and prospect for a guy like versteeg, fleishman, etc. sign a solid 2 way d-man, and maybe stalberg! Let go of cleary, white, miller. Hopefully resign fil to something respectable.

Z- dats- Abby
Mule- fil- stalberg
Tatar- helm- versteeg/ fleishman
Goose- Anderson- brunner

Kronwall- E
Dekeyser- kindl
Smith- scuderi/ someone like him

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Posted 09 May 2013 - 11:54 PM

Just one thing I wanted to add: this, to me, entirely depends on how much he asks for.  I like the guy ok, but the 5M+ he's asking for is a massive overpayment.  I'd be ok with 4M / yr for maybe 3 years.  And no NTC.  I'd bet he'll be offered a better deal though.  So if he stays, I for one will probably be unhappy with it.  Hopefully he either asks for less or walks.

 

Here we see an example of a rumor that has become accepted fact. First someone said that Filppula would want $4m, then someone said $4.5m, and apparently now it has become in excess of $5m! Meanwhile, he hasn't actually made any contract demands at all, or at least none that have been shared with the public.

 

I think we all agree with you. Its just we all know that Holland doesn't have the stones to use an amnesty on his loyal players - even though it makes so much sense. He'd rather have Tatar and the youngsters get super angsty against the organization first before they come in at age 29. 

 

 

Arbitrary.


Edited by Crymson, 09 May 2013 - 11:54 PM.






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