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Ovechkin -- Laziest Play Ever

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For whatever the reasons, there has always been questions of effort with Russian players. yes datsyuk is an exception. But the list is very long. Kozlov and Fedorov both had their moumnets of watching the play and/or little effort. yashin is legandary for his lack of effort-and the Isles are still paying for him! Semin went through this the last couple of years with the caps, and yes Ovechkin has the same issue as well. The Bure's were another goup that had games where they simply didn't care while on the ice. Mogilney (spelling) another....

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For whatever the reasons, there has always been questions of effort with Russian players. yes datsyuk is an exception. But the list is very long. Kozlov and Fedorov both had their moumnets of watching the play and/or little effort. yashin is legandary for his lack of effort-and the Isles are still paying for him! Semin went through this the last couple of years with the caps, and yes Ovechkin has the same issue as well. The Bure's were another goup that had games where they simply didn't care while on the ice. Mogilney (spelling) another....

It isn't very long actually. People have created a stereotype based on a few star players.

When Brett Hull did it, it was just "Brett being brett." When a Russian player does it, it's "look at that lazy Russian."

Datsyuk isn't the exception on the Wings. With Fedorov I remember it being more moodiness than doing anything remotely close to what Ovie has done. Larionov, Fetisov, Konstantinov. Those guys weren't lazy.

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I'm not sure why you think I have blinders on but I've never seen Z do anything like that. I'm not expecting Ovie to be a selke candidate nor should he spend his time trying to be.But this is not an isolated incident from him. Those kind of plays are what makes the difference between being a playoff contender and being a perennial playoff underachiever.And that play people are nitpicking about was on the GWG for the Rangers.It's like with Franzen. No one is arguing Ovechkin's talent. But crap like that speaks volumes about his leadership, heart, and commitment to winning.

I do agree with the leadership statement and I know its not an isolated incident. That's my argument.

This guy can carry a team and win games offensively but defensively its the complete opposite. But every single player does stuff that makes you scratch your head every single game. Unfortunately for him it was the rangers gwg which rather he tried or not....it was going in.

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It isn't very long actually. People have created a stereotype based on a few star players.

When Brett Hull did it, it was just "Brett being brett." When a Russian player does it, it's "look at that lazy Russian."

Datsyuk isn't the exception on the Wings. With Fedorov I remember it being more moodiness than doing anything remotely close to what Ovie has done. Larionov, Fetisov, Konstantinov. Those guys weren't lazy.

But the guys you are talking about were Red Army players. They didn't have the option of being lazy-they got shot if they were! very different era. LOL!

Yes Hull also was lazy. It is not just a Russian thing. But when such a large number of the "stars" from the same place act the same way, it does build a rep. This is part of the reason why there are so few russians in the NHL today. For the regular season there was 22 russian skaters and 6 G that played at least 1 game in the NHL. 28 total russians in the NHL. Hell not that long ago the RW's alone had 28 russian players.

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If we had ovi we would beat the ducks. Clearly you didn't watch the entire game.

And for the clowns who don't he is still ten times the player and ten times the effort as mule. Not to mention the fact look at where he was. He couldn't reach the guy anyways.

I think it's more indicative of his all-around effort rather than one play out of a game. I don't care if the guy is 5 strides ahead of me, I'm busting my ass hoping against hope I can get my stick in there somehow. It's all about attitude.

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If we had ovi we would beat the ducks. Clearly you didn't watch the entire game.

And for the clowns who don't he is still ten times the player and ten times the effort as mule. Not to mention the fact look at where he was. He couldn't reach the guy anyways.

That is the one question I had on the play. Is he actually covering a man at the blue line or something, I do wish there was more context

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That is the one question I had on the play. Is he actually covering a man at the blue line or something, I do wish there was more context

He's doing nothing. He's just lazy getting back into the zone. He could very easily have prevented that goal had he made the effort to backcheck properly.

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I'm not sure why you think I have blinders on but I've never seen Z do anything like that. I'm not expecting Ovie to be a selke candidate nor should he spend his time trying to be.

But this is not an isolated incident from him. Those kind of plays are what makes the difference between being a playoff contender and being a perennial playoff underachiever.

And that play people are nitpicking about was on the GWG for the Rangers.

It's like with Franzen. No one is arguing Ovechkin's talent. But crap like that speaks volumes about his leadership, heart, and commitment to winning.

And people can say.Franzen is lazy but he has never hung his teammates out to dry like that. He's lacked hustle, but he's never been like that at such a crucial time that I can remember.

I think it's more indicative of his all-around effort rather than one play out of a game. I don't care if the guy is 5 strides ahead of me, I'm busting my ass hoping against hope I can get my stick in there somehow. It's all about attitude.

Exactly. What if the opponent whiffs on the shot? You've got to be there and I think 99% of players would try to stop that without even thinking.

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So the other four Capital skaters cannot clear the zone, get back into position (to the point of colliding with each other), and stop the three Rags putting on a clinic... but it is Ovenchin's fault? Got it.

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So the other four Capital skaters cannot clear the zone, get back into position (to the point of colliding with each other), and stop the three Rags putting on a clinic... but it is Ovenchin's fault? Got it.

So Ovechkin is a professional hockey player, is the captain of his team, and has the largest contract in NHL history, but he cannot put forth the effort to play defense? Got it.

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Still, he put up a 41 goal/95 point performance this season. Hes not paid to play defense, hes there to put the biscuit in the basket.

You're math is off there, he is actually on a 55 goal 96 point pace over 82 games. He is payed to play when he is on the ice and he wasn't there.

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So the other four Capital skaters cannot clear the zone, get back into position (to the point of colliding with each other), and stop the three Rags putting on a clinic... but it is Ovenchin's fault? Got it.

He could have prevented the goal if he tried to.

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Also whenever these offensive powerhouses put even a modicum of effort in defense, people go nuts and give them so much credit. Think of all the value he is leaving on the table by not even giving 10% effort on D.

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So the other four Capital skaters cannot clear the zone, get back into position (to the point of colliding with each other), and stop the three Rags putting on a clinic... but it is Ovenchin's fault? Got it.

You must be a huge Ovechkin fan with out sense of objectivity here....even then, I have no idea how anyone could possibly avoid criticising him here. No one is saying is was his fault, the other 4 players might not have done a good job, but they were trying.

The complaining here isn't because Ovechkin screwed up, it is because he showed a complete and utter lack of effort....it was disgusting.

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Making an excuse for Ovy is wasting your breath (typing hands) because this is just one example of his outstandingly horrid back checking he has done. This is even worse because of playoff hockey. That's one thing on this forum i don't understand. You have a player like Crosby who is gifted at the sport and has the best hockey sense in the NHL yet he's more ridiculed then a player and an effort like this. Crosby has great respect for this game, Ovy has half as much....

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