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#41 krsmith17

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:01 AM

I can't help but cringe when reading some of these comments... Filppula hasn't had a very productive year point wise but to say he isn't worth the money to resign him is flat out ridiculous. He doesn't always put up points but he is a very valuable player on both sides of the puck, whether he is pick-pocketing an opponent or spending valuable time in the offensive zone wearing down the other team. To say Val isn't hard on the puck is crazy, I would have agreed with this statement two years ago but the past year and a half he has been a force in all three zones and extremely hard to strip off the puck.

 

He is worth anywhere between the $4 - 4.25 mil he WILL receive. Just ask any other team that would love to have a dependible guy like Val on their team, almost every GM in the league would love for him to become available to throw upwards of $5 mil easy his way. He is the type of player every coach loves to have on their team, the guy you know plays hard every shift and backchecks on every play. The points will come, I'm very confident in that, just like the entire Red Wing brass. Filppula WILL be resigned so accept it and move on. Just like all the Ericsson haters on here just one year ago you will eat your words. Count on it.

 

There is so much negativity on here, I can't help but laugh at times... We are now going into the second round of the Playoffs (thanks to Filppula's game winner) to play against the Blackhawks. It's sad that so many "fans" (and I use that word loosely) counted us out of even making the playoffs halfway through the season. Sad...

 

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:11 AM

Flip has turned into an offense killer. He had two good offensive plays this series, otherwise he blows a lot of chances and momentum by looking to pass straight to an opposing player.
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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:21 AM

I can't help but cringe when reading some of these comments... Filppula hasn't had a very productive year point wise but to say he isn't worth the money to resign him is flat out ridiculous. He doesn't always put up points but he is a very valuable player on both sides of the puck, whether he is pick-pocketing an opponent or spending valuable time in the offensive zone wearing down the other team. To say Val isn't hard on the puck is crazy, I would have agreed with this statement two years ago but the past year and a half he has been a force in all three zones and extremely hard to strip off the puck.
 
He is worth anywhere between the $4 - 4.25 mil he WILL receive. Just ask any other team that would love to have a dependible guy like Val on their team, almost every GM in the league would love for him to become available to throw upwards of $5 mil easy his way. He is the type of player every coach loves to have on their team, the guy you know plays hard every shift and backchecks on every play. The points will come, I'm very confident in that, just like the entire Red Wing brass. Filppula WILL be resigned so accept it and move on. Just like all the Ericsson haters on here just one year ago you will eat your words. Count on it.
 
There is so much negativity on here, I can't help but laugh at times... We are now going into the second round of the Playoffs (thanks to Filppula's game winner) to play against the Blackhawks. It's sad that so many "fans" (and I use that word loosely) counted us out of even making the playoffs halfway through the season. Sad...
 
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Yah!

I hate Filppula. He sucks.

I cant stand Smith. Trade him.

Quincey is so worthless.

God, Cleary. You are aweful.

Nyquist isnt ready.

Kindl, youre the worst.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:28 AM

Yah!

I hate Filppula. He sucks.

I cant stand Smith. Trade him.

Quincey is so worthless.

God, Cleary. You are aweful.

Nyquist isnt ready.

Kindl, youre the worst.

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can't tell if you're serious or not, cause that is the stuff you usually say...



#45 St. Michael (the Red Wing)

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:34 AM

Filppula's value could go up a lot if he heats up against Chicago

 

And that probably would out weigh his non existent regular season performance this year.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:48 AM

 
can't tell if you're serious or not, cause that is the stuff you usually say...


Not true. Old, slow, past prime. These are the characteristics of players I dont like (Holmstrom, Samuelsson, Bertuzzi). And even when they are playing old and slow, I still blame the GM for it.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:02 PM

 

If I had a dollar for every player you wanted to be traded, I'd have enough money to start my own NHL team, make it really good, make you a fan of it and piss you off every time I don't trade a player.

 

You'd have about $5.00....that isn't a very good team. Plus with the players you keep, you would lose more than you win.

 

I get the joke, but this is a business too.  When it comes down to it, you have $11M in cap space next year.  You HAVE to re-sign Brunner, Nyquist, Smith, Andersson, Kindl, possibly Miller AND find a #1 Scorer to put with Dats and you want to give $5M of that to Filppula. That leaves you $6M to re-sign those kids and get that sniper.... Good luck with your team.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:14 PM

 
You'd have about $5.00....that isn't a very good team. Plus with the players you keep, you would lose more than you win.
 
I get the joke, but this is a business too.  When it comes down to it, you have $11M in cap space next year.  You HAVE to re-sign Brunner, Nyquist, Smith, Andersson, Kindl, possibly Miller AND find a #1 Scorer to put with Dats and you want to give $5M of that to Filppula. That leaves you $6M to re-sign those kids and get that sniper.... Good luck with your team.


Does buying out sammy and bert hurt us cap-wise? No, right?

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:41 PM

Does buying out sammy and bert hurt us cap-wise? No, right?

 

Oh, I agree and that would be in my perfect plan as well! But my response was to his complaining about me trading players and not keeping our team together PLUS re-signing Val...there just isn't enough money to give Val $5M, re-sign all the kids AND improve this team's scoring...

 

People can be delusional, they want to improve this team but they do not want to make changes in order to do so.  Go ahead Z and D, give Val $5M, give all your kids raises and then try to improve this team to turn it into a Stanley Cup contender, I will even give you the $5.00 you earned from me as a start.

 

edit: Problem is, you have to ask yourself (not you personally Axe) do you want to same team moving forward in the East or do you want a better team? Same team gets you nowhere.  A better team involves trades, buyouts and demotions.  You trade Franzen and Filppula, buyout Sammy and Bert, bury Coliaicovo in GR.  They only way you are going to get a #1 scorer is via trade, unless you can nab someone off the buyout list. If that happens then you wouldn't have to trade both Franz and Fil. But people want assets without giving up assets. The 90's are over, you cannot just sign players every year and keep all your favorites on the team.  You want this team better, you need to make sacrifices...and giving Val $5M does NOT make this better, it makes it worse because now you are giving Brunner at least $3M and leaves you $3M to re-sign Kindl, Nyquist, Smith, Andersson AND a scorer...Please Z and D, let me know how you manage that and I will stop requesting to trade Franz and Fil.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:53 PM

 

Oh, I agree and that would be in my perfect plan as well! But my response was to his complaining about me trading players and not keeping our team together PLUS re-signing Val...there just isn't enough money to give Val $5M, re-sign all the kids AND improve this team's scoring...

 

People can be delusional, they want to improve this team but they do not want to make changes in order to do so.  Go ahead Z and D, give Val $5M, give all your kids raises and then try to improve this team to turn it into a Stanley Cup contender, I will even give you the $5.00 you earned from me as a start.

 

edit: Problem is, you have to ask yourself (not you personally Axe) do you want to same team moving forward in the East or do you want a better team? Same team gets you nowhere.  A better team involves trades, buyouts and demotions.  You trade Franzen and Filppula, buyout Sammy and Bert, bury Coliaicovo in GR.  They only way you are going to get a #1 scorer is via trade, unless you can nab someone off the buyout list. If that happens then you wouldn't have to trade both Franz and Fil. But people want assets without giving up assets. The 90's are over, you cannot just sign players every year and keep all your favorites on the team.  You want this team better, you need to make sacrifices...and giving Val $5M does NOT make this better, it makes it worse because now you are giving Brunner at least $3M and leaves you $3M to re-sign Kindl, Nyquist, Smith, Andersson AND a scorer...Please Z and D, let me know how you manage that and I will stop requesting to trade Franz and Fil.

 

Buyout Samuelson and Bertuzzi, let Filps walk. If Filps is going into Hollands office asking for a caphit of 4,5 or even more (which he will get at the open market because teams are stupid), let him walk and wish him luck. Sign Clarkson for an equal amount.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:58 PM

There's two things that makes me think that Kenny will re-sign him. First is the status of Helm. At this point nobody knows if we will play again, and if he does, how effective he will be. He may come back only to need surgery, and never return to 2009 WCF penalty kill Helm. And I really doubt he'll make a career on his scoring touch.

Two, is the rumour of Datsyuk leaving at the end of next season. With that being held over Kenny's head, I have a feeling that he goes the safe route and re-signs Fil to somewhere between 4-4.5 mil at 4-6 years. Kenny is a boy scout and tries to always play it safe. I don't expect to see him let Fil and Dats walk away in consecutive years. He already learned that lesson with Raffi and Nick.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:16 PM

4.25-4.75, coming from a fil fan



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:34 PM

There's two things that makes me think that Kenny will re-sign him. First is the status of Helm. At this point nobody knows if we will play again, and if he does, how effective he will be. He may come back only to need surgery, and never return to 2009 WCF penalty kill Helm. And I really doubt he'll make a career on his scoring touch.

Two, is the rumour of Datsyuk leaving at the end of next season. With that being held over Kenny's head, I have a feeling that he goes the safe route and re-signs Fil to somewhere between 4-4.5 mil at 4-6 years. Kenny is a boy scout and tries to always play it safe. I don't expect to see him let Fil and Dats walk away in consecutive years. He already learned that lesson with Raffi and Nick.

Just my thoughts.


I think we need to start letting fowards go who make over 2 mil and arent on the top line. Realistically, we are going to need to spend 30 mil on or D and goalies, and another 20 mil on our top line. That reality will sneak up fast when Ericsson is the top UFA dman in 2 years and is commanding 6.5 mil. In todays NHL, forwards 4 thru 12 gotta be scappers at minimum wage looking to stay up with the big club. You cant tie up 3 mil in Sammy and have him ride the pine half the game.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 06:38 PM

I'm so very, very, very glad that no one on this board (myself included) is GM of this team.  We'd make Millbury and Millen look like the greatest sports brain trust that ever lived.

 

Fil not worth more than $3.5m?

Helm as our second line center?

Tatar ready to step into a second line role for a full season?

 

Eesh.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:09 PM

Oh, hi Filppula with GWG and major assist now that he plays with competent linemate.

 

 

 

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:21 PM

Definitely not 5+ million per year. I'll tell you that much.

Pretty much...

 

Many here thought Flip would continue to be a 60 plus pts guy after last seasons surprising performance, but that's just not so.

 

He's been pretty consistent in the 30 to 40 pts range in a full 82 game season, and if pro-rated to 82 games he would've had 34 pts this year.

 

He'll most likely get an offer around $4 to $4.5 million from Detroit, but quite possibly more from elsewhere.



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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:47 PM

Nah...cap went down, salaries should go down...


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:19 PM

Flips worth 4 mil per. Just give him 7 years at 4.3 mil per and call it a day on your #5 spot.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:13 PM

 

Oh, I agree and that would be in my perfect plan as well! But my response was to his complaining about me trading players and not keeping our team together PLUS re-signing Val...there just isn't enough money to give Val $5M, re-sign all the kids AND improve this team's scoring...

 

People can be delusional, they want to improve this team but they do not want to make changes in order to do so.  Go ahead Z and D, give Val $5M, give all your kids raises and then try to improve this team to turn it into a Stanley Cup contender, I will even give you the $5.00 you earned from me as a start.

 

edit: Problem is, you have to ask yourself (not you personally Axe) do you want to same team moving forward in the East or do you want a better team? Same team gets you nowhere.  A better team involves trades, buyouts and demotions.  You trade Franzen and Filppula, buyout Sammy and Bert, bury Coliaicovo in GR.  They only way you are going to get a #1 scorer is via trade, unless you can nab someone off the buyout list. If that happens then you wouldn't have to trade both Franz and Fil. But people want assets without giving up assets. The 90's are over, you cannot just sign players every year and keep all your favorites on the team.  You want this team better, you need to make sacrifices...and giving Val $5M does NOT make this better, it makes it worse because now you are giving Brunner at least $3M and leaves you $3M to re-sign Kindl, Nyquist, Smith, Andersson AND a scorer...Please Z and D, let me know how you manage that and I will stop requesting to trade Franz and Fil.

That's not really accurate. You're trying to pay for 15 forwards, 8 defensemen, and 3 goalies. Obviously, if we want to keep all the players you mention, and add someone new, some other guys have to go. Depending on how we make the roster room, it could clear enough cap space to pay Flip and add someone, potentially someone in the $3-6M range. Furthermore, "moving forward" is more than just next summer. Even if we can't add anyone for next season, we may still be better off holding onto Flip and trying to improve the following year.

 

Of course, upgrading Flip is an option we should look in to, but keeping him should be too.







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