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#21 marcaractac

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:35 PM

 

No. 

 

Lol agreed. I couldn't even respond to that comment. One of the most outrageous things I've ever read on a hockey forum that wasn't trolling.



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:39 PM

 

Lol agreed. I couldn't even respond to that comment. One of the most outrageous things I've ever read on a hockey forum that wasn't trolling.

 

Pretty much. Gretzky himself topped out at 47 and that was during the Oilers peak. 


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#23 marcaractac

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 06:44 PM

 

Pretty much. Gretzky himself topped out at 47 and that was during the Oilers peak. 

 

 

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:14 PM

Sidney's already a top 10 player in NHL history, and will probably top all of them when it's all said and done. I don't think it's that big of a stretch when you consider that he's already on pace to drop 50 in a 25 game cup run. 

 

Granted, he's a cry baby and I hope the worst of him every single season, but there's no doubting the fact that he's just as good as Super Mario and Gretz.



 

Lol agreed. I couldn't even respond to that comment. One of the most outrageous things I've ever read on a hockey forum that wasn't trolling.

 

Not trolling at all. I do troll sometimes but I'm serious when I don't use tbh, tbqh, imo, imho, etc.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:17 PM

Sidney's already a top 10 player in NHL history, and will probably top all of them when it's all said and done. I don't think it's that big of a stretch when you consider that he's already on pace to drop 50 in a 25 game cup run. 

 

Granted, he's a cry baby and I hope the worst of him every single season, but there's no doubting the fact that he's just as good as Super Mario and Gretz.

 

Do you honestly think he's gonna keep up that up when they play tougher teams as the playoffs continue? Not a chance. 

 

And top all of them when all is said and done? He'd have to stay healthy first. And when it comes to Wayne's scoring records, no one will EVER touch them. Not even the golden boy. And there is a lot of doubt when it comes to touching Gretz. 



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:23 PM

Crosby didn't even put 100% effort in the first round. From the way he was skating and his overpassing, I'd say he's at 50-60% right now. And we all know he's going to step it up a notch when it matters the most. The real Q is can Kunitz and Iginla keep it up. If they can, Crosby will average 2.5 pts a game at the very least



 

 He'd have to stay healthy first. 

 

That's one of my assumptions, yes. And I'm not entirely confident of that either. 


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:24 PM

Sidney's already a top 10 player in NHL history, and will probably top all of them when it's all said and done. I don't think it's that big of a stretch when you consider that he's already on pace to drop 50 in a 25 game cup run. 

 

Granted, he's a cry baby and I hope the worst of him every single season, but there's no doubting the fact that he's just as good as Super Mario and Gretz.



 

Not trolling at all. I do troll sometimes but I'm serious when I don't use tbh, tbqh, imo, imho, etc.

 

Wow, Sid has 9 points in 5 games he must the greatest player of all time then....sure that is a pace to hit between 45 to 50 points in a 25 game playoff, but OMG, David Krejci has 11 points in 5 games, oh and Logan Couture and Joe Pavelski each have 8 points in 4 games, if Sid can hit 60 these guys will surely hit 70-80 then....


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:24 PM

Crosby didn't even put 100% effort in the first round. From the way he was skating and his overpassing, I'd say he's at 50-60% right now. And we all know he's going to step it up a notch when it matters the most. The real Q is can Kunitz and Iginla keep it up. If they can, Crosby will average 2.5 pts a game at the very least



 

That's one of my assumptions, yes. And I'm not entirely confident of that either. 

 

No. 



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:27 PM

 

Wow, Sid has 9 points in 5 games he must the greatest player of all time then....sure that is a pace to hit between 45 to 50 points in a 25 game playoff, but OMG, David Krejci has 11 points in 5 games, oh and Logan Couture and Joe Pavelski each have 8 points in 4 games, if Sid can hit 60 these guys will surely hit 70-80 then....

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:28 PM

 

Wow, Sid has 9 points in 5 games he must the greatest player of all time then....sure that is a pace to hit between 45 to 50 points in a 25 game playoff, but OMG, David Krejci has 11 points in 5 games, oh and Logan Couture and Joe Pavelski each have 8 points in 4 games, if Sid can hit 60 these guys will surely hit 70-80 then....

 

Nah, Krejci will see a real goaltender like Lundqivst next round and he'll cool down. The other two are Sharks so it's a guarantee they won't keep it up. Sid on the other hand, it doesn't matter what defense or goalie you throw at him, he's dropping at least 2 pts a game for the rest of the playoffs.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:31 PM

BTW, Lets Go Ottawa!

 

This is a good team.  If they can stay out of the box....who am I kidding, all Sidney has to do is flop around like Bill Laimbeer and they'll get 5 PP's a game....may as well cancel the Eastern playoffs and just hand the Prince of Wales Trophy to them now....


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:38 PM

Pens in 6 unfortunately.

 

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:43 PM

Yeah, I think it will be A Very Bloodied Pens in 6.  If they go 7, I'm thinking An Equally Bloodied Sens.

 

It's going to be vicious no matter what. 



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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:57 PM

 

Nah, Krejci will see a real goaltender like Lundqivst next round and he'll cool down. The other two are Sharks so it's a guarantee they won't keep it up. Sid on the other hand, it doesn't matter what defense or goalie you throw at him, he's dropping at least 2 pts a game for the rest of the playoffs.

 

Not happening...his career playoff average is 1.35 PPG, that include this miraculous pace that he seems to be impressing you with thus far. This was the round to get 2+ points per game, and he failed. You say because he wasn't trying.  So he felt because it was the Islander he didn't have to give 100%?  I watched those games, it sure looked like he was trying his best.  Look no one is saying that Sid isn't top 5 in the league and isn't good at what he does, but you seem to have put him on a pedestal that cannot be touched.

 

Fact is, he will face stronger defense and goaltenders and opposition lines as well...example 2007-08 playoffs

 

Round 1 vs. Ottawa.....2 PPG

Round 2 vs. NYR.....1.2 PPG (Better Goaltender)

Round 3 vs. Flyers....1.4 PPG (Worse D)

Round 4 vs. Detroit.....1 PPG (Zetterberg)

 

He had a smidge better numbers in the first three rounds of 2008-09, averaging 1.3PPG, 1.7PPG, 1.75PPG until again he faced Zetterberg and dropped to .4PPG...

 

Point is, he is not going to walk all over every team in the NHL with 2 to 2.5 PPG this season, he is good, but he will have good games and bad games, if he could only muster 1.8 PPG against the Islanders with their young team and Nobokov, he is going to fair any much better against Ottawa, Boston or Chicago if it that order, but then again, James Reimer and The King Henrik are far better goalies than Nobokov even if they are to play either New York or Toronto...that is IF they survive Ottawa. They barely survived the Isles and it took TWO overtime games that could have gone either way and he'd be golfing instead...

 

Before their playoff run is over, he will be back to his average of 1.3 PPG....which isn't too far away from where he is now at 1.8

 

edit: to expand on the PPG above, he was on great paces in each of the first three rounds until he met Hank each year.  He dropped to a .6 PPG combined in the two SCF's against Hank.  He will face a center that will shut him down for a round, its just reality...if he happens to face Hank this year, your theory will be blown out for sure....


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:03 PM

 

No. 

 

Yes. Sid's still the best player in the league for the past 20 years despite not being 100%.



 

Not happening...his career playoff average is 1.35 PPG, that include this miraculous pace that he seems to be impressing you with thus far. This was the round to get 2+ points per game, and he failed. You say because he wasn't trying.  So he felt because it was the Islander he didn't have to give 100%?  I watched those games, it sure looked like he was trying his best.  Look no one is saying that Sid isn't top 5 in the league and isn't good at what he does, but you seem to have put him on a pedestal that cannot be touched.

 

Fact is, he will face stronger defense and goaltenders and opposition lines as well...example 2007-08 playoffs

 

Round 1 vs. Ottawa.....2 PPG

Round 2 vs. NYR.....1.2 PPG (Better Goaltender)

Round 3 vs. Flyers....1.4 PPG (Worse D)

Round 4 vs. Detroit.....1 PPG (Zetterberg)

 

He had a smidge better numbers in the first three rounds of 2008-09, averaging 1.3PPG, 1.7PPG, 1.75PPG until again he faced Zetterberg and dropped to .4PPG...

 

Point is, he is not going to walk all over every team in the NHL with 2 to 2.5 PPG this season, he is good, but he will have good games and bad games, if he could only muster 1.8 PPG against the Islanders with their young team and Nobokov, he is going to fair any much better against Ottawa, Boston or Chicago if it that order, but then again, James Reimer and The King Henrik are far better goalies than Nobokov even if they are to play either New York or Toronto...that is IF they survive Ottawa. They barely survived the Isles and it took TWO overtime games that could have gone either way and he'd be golfing instead...

 

Before their playoff run is over, he will be back to his average of 1.3 PPG....which isn't too far away from where he is now at 1.8

 

Those numbers are from 5 years ago. He was 1 year over the drinking age in Canada at the time. Right now? He's playing like 1985 Wayne Gretzky. His numbers will only be better as the playoffs continue.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:16 PM

 

Yes. Sid's still the best player in the league for the past 20 years despite not being 100%.

 

 

Those numbers are from 5 years ago. He was 1 year over the drinking age in Canada at the time. Right now? He's playing like 1985 Wayne Gretzky. His numbers will only be better as the playoffs continue.

 

Best player in the last 20 years, way, way wrong on all sorts of levels.....

 

Playing like a 1985 Gretzky? The guy who average 2.6 PPG in 18 games that playoff? Listen, if the Pens win the Cup and average 6 games per remaining rounds, he will need to score 3.1PPG just to get near Gretzky's 2.6 PPG...even with Sid's supporting cast, there is NO WAY he gets 3.1 PPG for the rest of the playoffs.  You are smoking something man and I don't think I want it....


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:20 PM

 

Best player in the last 20 years, way, way wrong on all sorts of levels.....

 

Playing like a 1985 Gretzky? The guy who average 2.6 PPG in 18 games that playoff? Listen, if the Pens win the Cup and average 6 games per remaining rounds, he will need to score 3.1PPG just to get near Gretzky's 2.6 PPG...even with Sid's supporting cast, there is NO WAY he gets 3.1 PPG for the rest of the playoffs.  You are smoking something man and I don't think I want it....

 

I've had some drinks tonight but I'm still sober enough to tell you straight up, Crosby's the best player of the past 20 years. 

 

OK, maybe topping Gretzky this year is a bit of a stretch, but he'll be in the playoffs for the rest of his GOAT-level career. Eventually he'll do it, though. He's going to win 5, hell maybe even 6 more Stanleys and then retire on top of everybody. 60 pts in the playoffs is no big deal


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:23 PM

Good sweet Jesus, I am sof****** tired of the Penguins.  The constant barrage of media fellating these sons of ******* has me refusing to watch any game involving them, which is unfortunate. DIE, PENGUINS, DIE!!  And it's only going to get worse when we're in the East next year. *sigh*  I need Valium.

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I've had some drinks tonight but I'm still sober enough to tell you straight up, Crosby's the best player  OFFENSIVE of the past 20 years. 

 

OK, maybe topping Gretzky this year is a bit of a stretch, but he'll be in the playoffs for the rest of his GOAT-level career. Eventually he'll do it, though. He's going to win 5, hell maybe even 6 more Stanleys and then retire on top of everybody. 60 pts in the playoffs is no big deal

FITY.  No way will I count him the best overall player - I'll concede possibly the best offensive player,. but I can think of three guys I'd take over him in a hearbeat.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:29 PM

 

I've had some drinks tonight but I'm still sober enough to tell you straight up, Crosby's the best player of the past 20 years. 

 

OK, maybe topping Gretzky this year is a bit of a stretch, but he'll be in the playoffs for the rest of his GOAT-level career. Eventually he'll do it, though. He's going to win 5, hell maybe even 6 more Stanleys and then retire on top of everybody. 60 pts in the playoffs is no big deal

 

Wow...bold statement.  Considering he won't even play 20 years that is a lot of Cups in that time span. Considering that with the Cap decrease they only have $7M in cap space and will most definitely lose the supporting cast you speak of. Iginla, Morrow, Dupuis, Matt Cooke, Tyler Kennedy, Douglas Murray....most of them will be gone....plus they need to re-sign Malkin after next season so they cannot commit too much money for next year in that regard.  I don't see Sid winning anymore than one or two more Cups in his career...IF that. He may not win ANYmore.


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 08:29 PM

Dear Hockey Gods,

 

Is it so much to ask for some justice for the fact that Matt Cooke still has the privilege of playing hockey...  anywhere?  Please make it so that Ottawa wins this series and Karlsson scores all four game winning goals. 

 

Thanks for your time,

 

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