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#21 DickieDunn

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 09:06 AM

Where was this quoted?  The only thing I ever saw was speculation by St. Lame and fans, no direct quotes from Holland about Ryan.

 

O'Reilly was a RFA, and it was pretty clear Colorado wasn't interested in trading his rights, meaning he was never really available.  Holland is smart enough to know that when you give another team's RFA a qualifying offer it's going to be matched every time unless it's one of the worst contracts in history.

 

Weiss has struggled because of injury.  Clarkson's numbers are down partly due to injury and partly due to lack of skill.  His role in NJ was similar to Holmstrom, only his hands aren't as good, he doesn't get assists, and he fights.  One of the things I saw people ripping Abdelkader for last year when he was scoring goals is that he wasn't getting assists playing with Datsyuk and Zetterberg.  Clarkson played on the Devils' top line and barely had any assists either.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 22 February 2014 - 12:32 AM

Weiss for Clarkson ... a change of uniform for both under performing players might give them a new start.  



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Posted 22 February 2014 - 09:11 AM

Weiss for Clarkson ... a change of uniform for both under performing players might give them a new start.  

 

Hell.  No.  Weiss is better, and the only think he needs to get back on track is health.  Clarkson isn't worth that contract now, and in 3 years it's going to be an albatross.


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


#24 MabusIncarnate

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 05:20 PM

Weiss has dealt with that sports hernia issue this entire season, he's a lot more skilled than most around here are giving him credit for. I think when he comes back, is entirely healthy. and gets back on his game people will begin to see where the money was spent and why. 

 

Way too many people are writing him off because how he started this season. I still keep Weiss over Clarkson without hesitation. Clarkson had an offensively "lucky" season which he won't match again. Weiss actually has an offensive skill set to him that can be unleashed when healthy.


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Posted 22 February 2014 - 09:31 PM

Let's see. For their careers, Clarkson scores .217 goals per NHL game. Weiss scores .216 per NHL game. Weiss is 30-turns 31 in April. Clarkson is 29 and turns 30 in March. Clarkson's cap hit is a whole 325,000 per year higher than Weiss. The big difference is Clarkson has 6 years left on his deal, Weiss has 4. if Tor called today and offered to do a 1 for 1 trade, I very well might do it. if it was 1 for 1 with Franzen I would do it so fast their heads would spin.



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Posted 23 February 2014 - 11:16 AM

Let's see. For their careers, Clarkson scores .217 goals per NHL game. Weiss scores .216 per NHL game. Weiss is 30-turns 31 in April. Clarkson is 29 and turns 30 in March. Clarkson's cap hit is a whole 325,000 per year higher than Weiss. The big difference is Clarkson has 6 years left on his deal, Weiss has 4. if Tor called today and offered to do a 1 for 1 trade, I very well might do it. if it was 1 for 1 with Franzen I would do it so fast their heads would spin.


Clarkson's goals average is skewed because of a big year. He generates no offense on his own and doesn't skate or play defense well. He's Homer with worse hands. Weiss skates well, generates offense for his linemates, and can be trusted on the ice against the other team's top line.
If you think that .001 goals a game more is meaningful in any way I seriously question your knowledge.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:32 PM

Big difference? No. But the fact is for their careers he out scores Weiss, a guy many think is a good player. I do not. I have no delusions as to what type of player Clarkson is-the type we need more of. He is a good sized, tough RHed shooting RW that scores goals and brings toughness to a team.

That being said, will he ever be here? Of course not. Will we be glad someday that we signed Weiss? I hope so, but doubt it.



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Posted 23 February 2014 - 04:42 PM

Big difference? No. But the fact is for their careers he out scores Weiss, a guy many think is a good player. I do not. I have no delusions as to what type of player Clarkson is-the type we need more of. He is a good sized, tough RHed shooting RW that scores goals and brings toughness to a team.

That being said, will he ever be here? Of course not. Will we be glad someday that we signed Weiss? I hope so, but doubt it.

 

If those goal rates hold up, it's one goal over a 1000 game career.  What's the assist differential, 2.5 or 3 to one in favor of Weiss?  And how is a defensively responsible center who has consistently been near or over 50 points in 5 of the last 6 full seasons he played not a good player?


Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 23 February 2014 - 10:57 PM

Who cares about the assist difference. Doesn't matter in this conversation because they play different positions. C's are supposed to have assists, wingers should have goals. At least that is the traditional roles in hockey. Weiss was good for 50ish points per year as a #1 C, which is pretty run of the mill. he is an average NHL Cman, nothing more. he has also been hurt the last 2 years now. Let's have him prove he can stay healthy and play for a while then we can revisit this again.



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:13 AM

Who cares about the assist difference. Doesn't matter in this conversation because they play different positions. C's are supposed to have assists, wingers should have goals. At least that is the traditional roles in hockey. Weiss was good for 50ish points per year as a #1 C, which is pretty run of the mill. he is an average NHL Cman, nothing more. he has also been hurt the last 2 years now. Let's have him prove he can stay healthy and play for a while then we can revisit this again.

If you follow this logic then Weiss goals must matter more than Clarksons, right ? Because Weiss is supposed just to give assists so he has to work harder for his goals which are just the icing on the cake.

 

We'll see who is better after Weiss played a few more games uninjured here, before that it's pure speculation how is better. But I agree that Weiss is likely to fit better into our system than Clarkson.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:42 AM

I havent been gettinf on lgw that much because of the olympics, but i keep seeing this thread and I get nervous for a second.
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#32 DickieDunn

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 09:50 AM

Who cares about the assist difference. Doesn't matter in this conversation because they play different positions. C's are supposed to have assists, wingers should have goals. At least that is the traditional roles in hockey. Weiss was good for 50ish points per year as a #1 C, which is pretty run of the mill. he is an average NHL Cman, nothing more. he has also been hurt the last 2 years now. Let's have him prove he can stay healthy and play for a while then we can revisit this again.


Their goal pace puts Clarkson at one more goal than Weiss over a 1000 game career, so by your own logic he's underperforming because he won't outscore Weiss even though his "job" is to score goals.

Never mind that the whole argument about whether wingers should get any assists is completely wrong.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 03:38 PM

What about St. Louis ... heard he wants out of Tampa?  

On second thought, rumour has it that Babs doesn't like him ... maybe if our 1st choice doesn't pan out, then we go to St. Louis ... haha.  



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Posted 24 February 2014 - 11:09 PM

Big difference? No. But the fact is for their careers he out scores Weiss, a guy many think is a good player. I do not. I have no delusions as to what type of player Clarkson is-the type we need more of. He is a good sized, tough RHed shooting RW that scores goals and brings toughness to a team.

That being said, will he ever be here? Of course not. Will we be glad someday that we signed Weiss? I hope so, but doubt it.

 

Clarkson has 4 goals in 39 games, right he totally scores goals... oh right let's mention that ONE year he got 30 goals, I think he should have gotten more than 5.25 million/year, Toronto got a steal, hey it's not like he only scores 10-15 goals every other year right?



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Posted 25 February 2014 - 12:10 PM

 

Clarkson has 4 goals in 39 games, right he totally scores goals... oh right let's mention that ONE year he got 30 goals, I think he should have gotten more than 5.25 million/year, Toronto got a steal, hey it's not like he only scores 10-15 goals every other year right?

 

The unbelievable Weiss has 2 goals and two assists so yes even an atrocious Clarkson is outscoring him and don't blame it on the injury Clarkson has missed a ton of time too.

 

Clarkson at least brings an element of toughenss, physicality and intangibles Weiss doesn't do that. Anyway it is what it is, at this point all we can hope for is that Weiss turns it around.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:02 PM

Clarkson also takes an obnoxious about of stupid penalties, that's what we need around here, more penalty kills. 


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Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:48 AM

 

Hell.  No.  Weiss is better, and the only think he needs to get back on track is health.  Clarkson isn't worth that contract now, and in 3 years it's going to be an albatross.

Agreed.

 

Just when the Leafs are making moves in the right direction - they throw big $$$, and a long term contract at a guy who isn't worth either.

 

Don't get me wrong - I like Clarkson, but at a much reduced rate.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:58 AM

I just want to point out that Dan Cleary has been scratched from the lineup for the last seven games. We have also gone 5-1-1 in that time. Coincidence? I think not. OK, I'm done strumming my one-stringed guitar.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 12:43 PM

I just want to point out that Dan Cleary has been scratched from the lineup for the last seven games. We have also gone 5-1-1 in that time. Coincidence? I think not. OK, I'm done strumming my one-stringed guitar.


How many threads will you post this exact thing in?

 
The unbelievable Weiss has 2 goals and two assists so yes even an atrocious Clarkson is outscoring him and don't blame it on the injury Clarkson has missed a ton of time too.
 
Clarkson at least brings an element of toughenss, physicality and intangibles Weiss doesn't do that. Anyway it is what it is, at this point all we can hope for is that Weiss turns it around.


Difference is Weiss typically scores 20-30 goals, Clarkson did that once, you do see the difference right? Weiss should get back to his normal play, whereas Clarkson is playing the way his career would suggest he should.





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