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#221 datsyuk13944

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:20 PM

Whats the difference between giving Smith PT during next years regular season in his development or during this years playoffs.  Bottom line, play him during all 82 next year and let White play sound D during this game 7 now.  No reason to compromise the hear and now for 1 game in what should be a long good career for Smith when he will have plenty of time next year to develop.  Bottom line, are we in the WCF right now without Smith, yes. 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:00 PM

Sometimes I feel like an integrated dictionary describing the word ROOKIE would be helpful. The guy is playing his first year in the NHl he is learning and will become better as time goes on, thankfully for us the Wings aren't known tor threating their prospects like crap. Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using Tapatalk 2

 

rook·ie  

/ˈro͝okē/
Noun
  1. A new recruit.
  2. A member of an athletic team in his or her first full season in that sport.

 

bad rook·ie  

/bad/ˈro͝okē/
Noun
 

see: Smith, Brendan

 

 
People keep screaming "rookie" like we don't know what it means.  But there are rookies who play mostly well, and rookies who play mostly bad.  Yes Brendan Smith is a rookie, he's a bad rookie.  His rookie season is noticeably worse than that of Kindl, Ericsson, Kronwall, etc.  Will he get better?  Sure.  But that doesn't mean that he isn't a god awful rookie.  He is. 

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GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:08 PM

Whether he is a rookie or not is NOT the point.  The point is we are trying to win NOW.  NOW NOW NOW.  Who gives us the best change to win NOW.  Smith or White.  Based on Smiths track record, the answer has to be White. Leave all the rookie non sense out because that point only serves your argument well for the regular season.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:33 PM

brad stuard? 


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:38 PM

Stew ward

 

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:10 PM

-1 for good ole number 2



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:58 PM

-1 for good ole number 2


Yup. Holland just traded him.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 10:08 PM

Yep farkin trade the dumbass, sick of his freaking mistakes all year long when games actually mattered.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:52 AM

smith isn't the problem.  Will he even be as good as Kronwall is?  Maybe, but probably not.  But if he can develop into a solid 2-pair D-man, the Wings will be ok with him.

 

He moves the puck well for a rookie, he skates well enough to probably be a forward in some systems and he plays with his head up.  Rookies mistakes happen, they aren't all super-human like Lidstrom was and is....


Don't take it from fans on LGW, take it from his peers. NHL players have spoken and they think Tootoo is the dirtiest player in the league.

Get a clue already.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:17 PM

His rookie season is noticeably worse than that of Kindl, Ericsson, Kronwall, etc.  Will he get better?  Sure.  But that doesn't mean that he isn't a god awful rookie.  He is. 

 

 

*lol*  That's some pretty hilarious stuff right there.  Kronwall, Ericsson and Kindl were all defensive whipping boys their first years.  Kindl wasn't even able to hold the #6 spot down until late this season.  Smith is most like Kronwall of any recent Wings rookies.  The horrible defensive plays Kronwall authored as a new NHL player are still seared into my mind.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:38 PM

*lol*  That's some pretty hilarious stuff right there.  Kronwall, Ericsson and Kindl were all defensive whipping boys their first years.  Kindl wasn't even able to hold the #6 spot down until late this season.  Smith is most like Kronwall of any recent Wings rookies.  The horrible defensive plays Kronwall authored as a new NHL player are still seared into my mind.

Exactly.

Kindl couldn't even keep his spot on the roster in the regular season whereas Smith was averaging 19 minutes a night in the playoffs (over a minute more than Kindl by the way). Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

As rookies Kindl and Ericsson were sheltered on the bottom pairing. Smith was thrown in the deep end.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:39 PM

-1 for good ole number 2

 

Yeaahhhhhh, because Kronwall and Ericsson changing on the fly looked like two senior citizens with alzheimers at a buffet.

 

Not Smith's fault.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:51 PM

Exactly.

Kindl couldn't even keep his spot on the roster in the regular season whereas Smith was averaging 19 minutes a night in the playoffs (over a minute more than Kindl by the way). Not exactly an apples to apples comparison.

As rookies Kindl and Ericsson were sheltered on the bottom pairing. Smith was thrown in the deep end.

 

Brendan Smith got a lot of minutes this season because there was nobody sitting in the pressbox who was a better option.  Our defense was much better when Kindl, Ericsson, and Kronwall were rookies and so there was no need to play them that much.  It's obviously much harder for a guy like Kindl to crack the lineup as a rookie when Lidstrom, Stuart, Rafalski, Kronwall, Ericsson, and Salei are head of him, than it is for Smith to crack the lineup with Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey, White, Kindl, and Colaiacovo ahead of him.  However, that doesn't mean he's the better player.

 

You're right on one point though, he did get thrown into the deep end.  And he sunk.  Here's hoping he'll be better moving forward. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:02 PM

 

Brendan Smith got a lot of minutes this season because there was nobody sitting in the pressbox who was a better option.  Our defense was much better when Kindl, Ericsson, and Kronwall were rookies and so there was no need to play them that much.  It's obviously much harder for a guy like Kindl to crack the lineup as a rookie when Lidstrom, Stuart, Rafalski, Kronwall, Ericsson, and Salei are head of him, than it is for Smith to crack the lineup with Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey, White, Kindl, and Colaiacovo ahead of him.  However, that doesn't mean he's the better player.

 

You're right on one point though, he did get thrown into the deep end.  And he sunk.  Here's hoping he'll be better moving forward. 

 

It's one thing to only have to outplay Ian friggin White to stay in the line-up. You're right about that.

 

 But, as Harold said, he averaged more ice time than Kindl.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:04 PM

 

Brendan Smith got a lot of minutes this season because there was nobody sitting in the pressbox who was a better option.  Our defense was much better when Kindl, Ericsson, and Kronwall were rookies and so there was no need to play them that much.  It's obviously much harder for a guy like Kindl to crack the lineup as a rookie when Lidstrom, Stuart, Rafalski, Kronwall, Ericsson, and Salei are head of him, than it is for Smith to crack the lineup with Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey, White, Kindl, and Colaiacovo ahead of him.  However, that doesn't mean he's the better player.

 

You're right on one point though, he did get thrown into the deep end.  And he sunk.  Here's hoping he'll be better moving forward. 

 

He made some bad rookie mistakes that ended up in our net sure, but he had his share of games where he played great as well. people always pick out the bad and ignore the good. the kid will be fine. 



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:18 PM

 

It's one thing to only have to outplay Ian friggin White to stay in the line-up. You're right about that.

 

 But, as Harold said, he averaged more ice time than Kindl.

 

He did average more time than Kindl, he also averaged more goals against than Kindl and more turnovers than Kindl.  All while scoring less often, in spite of the ice time, and in spite of the fact that he's an "offensive" defenseman.  As I've said all along, he shouldn't be traded, and he will get better.  But I'm tired of this "he's a rookie" excuse.  He IS a rookie...a particularly bad one this season. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:20 PM

Smith definetly made a few mistakes this Season and Playoffs but he's a Rookie and he's still very young. He has a lot of potential we just have to be patient with him and allow him time to get better. He wasn't the reason the Wings are out of the playoffs. Yeah he made a couple mistakes in Game 6 that really pissed me off but he is still learning. Give him time to get better and I think he will become a great D-Man for Detroit!!



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:39 PM

 

Brendan Smith got a lot of minutes this season because there was nobody sitting in the pressbox who was a better option.  Our defense was much better when Kindl, Ericsson, and Kronwall were rookies and so there was no need to play them that much.  It's obviously much harder for a guy like Kindl to crack the lineup as a rookie when Lidstrom, Stuart, Rafalski, Kronwall, Ericsson, and Salei are head of him, than it is for Smith to crack the lineup with Kronwall, Ericsson, Quincey, White, Kindl, and Colaiacovo ahead of him.  However, that doesn't mean he's the better player.

 

You're right on one point though, he did get thrown into the deep end.  And he sunk.  Here's hoping he'll be better moving forward. 

 

Your explanation would be reasonable if Smith only managed to crack the 5th or 6th spot, however, he was able to push himself ahead of Kindl and Colo (a veteran who's at least comparable to Salei).


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:45 PM

 

Your explanation would be reasonable if Smith only managed to crack the 5th or 6th spot, however, he was able to push himself ahead of Kindl and Colo (a veteran who's at least comparable to Salei).

 

As I said, he leapfrogged those guys, and got more icetime, and played much worse with that additional ice time.  It still doesn't make him the better player because he played more.  With the exception of goals, Kindl was better in every single statistical category than Smith was during the playoffs.  Ditto for the regular season (where Kindl led in the goals category as well).  I don't know why Babs loves watching Smith f*** up, but he does and that's why he plays more.  Not because he's the better player, as every single fact suggests otherwise. 


GMRwings:  "Well, in other civilized countries, 16 years old isn't considered underage.  For instance, I believe the age of consent is 16 in Canada.  There's some US states where it's 16 as well.  

 

Get off the high horse.  Not like she was 10."

 

"Some girls are 17 even though they look 25."

 

 


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 02:49 PM

 

As I said, he leapfrogged those guys, and got more icetime, and played much worse with that additional ice time.  It still doesn't make him the better player because he played more.  With the exception of goals, Kindl was better in every single statistical category than Smith was during the playoffs.  Ditto for the regular season (where Kindl led in the goals category as well).  I don't know why Babs loves watching Smith f*** up, but he does and that's why he plays more.  Not because he's the better player, as every single fact suggests otherwise. 

 

Ah yes, but if Smith slides into the #5/6 spot, he spends more time against weaker opposing lines hypothetically bosting his stats, and Kindl in the #3/4 spot maybe fares worse that Smith does.

 

Whatevs, I like them both. Just playing devils advocate.


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