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#41 dobbles

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 06:46 PM

this thread has now killed any legitimate attempt for rational fans to be displeased with smiths poor play.

 

roughly everyone that has been on smiths case lately does NOT want him traded. most people just want him sat so he can learn a lesson and stop hurting the team with boneheaded plays.

 

however, now everyone on the smith bandwagon will instantly turn to this thread and make the generalization that anyone that critiques smith is a moron.

 

let me say this though, he made at least half a dozen mistakes in these first 2 games that are worthy of a weeks worth of bag skates. scoring a goal from 10 feet away into a wide open net thanks to the strong play of linemates does NOT redeem someone from all those mistakes. additionally, smith has been bad in his own end all year .

 

many of you keep saying how absurd it is to rag on smith because hes a rookie. however you are all just as guilty of lumping anyone that is down on smith as the irrational reactionary type of fan when many of us have legitimate gripes about his play.


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 06:52 PM

this thread has now killed any legitimate attempt for rational fans to be displeased with smiths poor play.

 

roughly everyone that has been on smiths case lately does NOT want him traded. most people just want him sat so he can learn a lesson and stop hurting the team with boneheaded plays.

 

however, now everyone on the smith bandwagon will instantly turn to this thread and make the generalization that anyone that critiques smith is a moron.

 

let me say this though, he made at least half a dozen mistakes in these first 2 games that are worthy of a weeks worth of bag skates. scoring a goal from 10 feet away into a wide open net thanks to the strong play of linemates does NOT redeem someone from all those mistakes. additionally, smith has been bad in his own end all year .

 

many of you keep saying how absurd it is to rag on smith because hes a rookie. however you are all just as guilty of lumping anyone that is down on smith as the irrational reactionary type of fan when many of us have legitimate gripes about his play.

 

Well you certainly can go on critiziing him all you want if it makes you feel better.



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 07:02 PM

 

Well you certainly can go on critiziing him all you want if it makes you feel better.

 

well thats kind of the point of a discussion board isnt it???


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 07:05 PM

 
Well you certainly can go on critiziing him all you want if it makes you feel better.


I dont think it had anything to do with making people feel better. He was making a good point, smith has been pretty bad with the exception of his goal today. To be critical of someone does not equate to wanting him gone.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 07:29 PM

Notice that after his goal he seemed to exude a bit more confidence out there.  He just looked like he had a bit of a monkey lifted off his shoulders today...A game like today where he was really down on himself and then felt the euphoria of netting the game winner can do wonders for his mental state and help mold him into the player everyone was touting him to be over last summer... You MUST lose to learn to win.  You learn by mistakes and only get better.  If people weren't meant to make mistakes, God would not have created erasers.  You may go through your first couple of pencils quickly, but with every mistake erased and life's lessons learned, eventually the eraser last longer and longer and longer...until finally you have the experience and the confidence to use a pen!


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 07:56 PM

 

well thats kind of the point of a discussion board isnt it???

 

Absolutely!



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 08:13 PM

this thread has now killed any legitimate attempt for rational fans to be displeased with smiths poor play.
 
roughly everyone that has been on smiths case lately does NOT want him traded. most people just want him sat so he can learn a lesson and stop hurting the team with boneheaded plays.
 
however, now everyone on the smith bandwagon will instantly turn to this thread and make the generalization that anyone that critiques smith is a moron.
 
let me say this though, he made at least half a dozen mistakes in these first 2 games that are worthy of a weeks worth of bag skates. scoring a goal from 10 feet away into a wide open net thanks to the strong play of linemates does NOT redeem someone from all those mistakes. additionally, smith has been bad in his own end all year .
 
many of you keep saying how absurd it is to rag on smith because hes a rookie. however you are all just as guilty of lumping anyone that is down on smith as the irrational reactionary type of fan when many of us have legitimate gripes about his play.

I don't think that's true, since not a single person has agreed with the OP.

I agree that smith hasn't played well, but he'll never be good in the playoffs if he isn't exposed to it. He improved a ton from game 1 to game 2, which is good. Babcock just needs to stick with him and he'll come around

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 08:56 PM

I love that Babcock said he thought he played a great game. I agree that he is a rookie and still learning how to play in the playoffs and his confidence as a young player is very fragile. If you take him out now it could threaten the rest of his career. Show confidence in him and he will be confident in himself.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 09:17 PM

I love that Babcock said he thought he played a great game. I agree that he is a rookie and still learning how to play in the playoffs and his confidence as a young player is very fragile. If you take him out now it could threaten the rest of his career. Show confidence in him and he will be confident in himself.

 

Confidence is all well and good, but i think a large portion of Babcock's job is actually winning games.  Limp wristed clearing attempts and blind passes don't really support that goal.



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 09:48 PM

 
Confidence is all well and good, but i think a large portion of Babcock's job is actually winning games.  Limp wristed clearing attempts and blind passes don't really support that goal.


We rely on his size. The alternative is White and he has fallen way out of favor. I don't foresee him coming out for Lashoff either.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 10:16 PM

Rookie or not, he really has been awful. He makes me cringe many times a game. Hoping he grows into a solid player...



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 10:25 PM

I love that Babcock said he thought he played a great game. I agree that he is a rookie and still learning how to play in the playoffs and his confidence as a young player is very fragile. If you take him out now it could threaten the rest of his career. Show confidence in him and he will be confident in himself.

I agree with both sides on this one to a point. The hard thing to me is knowing all the talk about Smith being the next awesome D-man and all the time he spent in GR growing and the time on the wings then you see someone like Danny D come in with no GR experience right out of college look head and shoulders above Smith at times it is frustrating. But I do agree we have to keep Smith out there and let his game grow. The potential is there for sure you can see it. Now everyone stop for a sec and just think about how our team is going to look a season or 2 down the road........WOW. I'm so excited.


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 10:25 PM

A rookie defensemen on a weak defense who makes mistakes? Gosh.

 

 

Yes he has looked bad plenty of times this season. He still has a tremendous amount of upside, limited amount of trade value, and has plenty of years to mature.

 

Trading him would be absolutely idiotic. 


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 10:33 PM

Notice that after his goal he seemed to exude a bit more confidence out there.  He just looked like he had a bit of a monkey lifted off his shoulders today...A game like today where he was really down on himself and then felt the euphoria of netting the game winner can do wonders for his mental state and help mold him into the player everyone was touting him to be over last summer... You MUST lose to learn to win.  You learn by mistakes and only get better.  If people weren't meant to make mistakes, God would not have created erasers.  You may go through your first couple of pencils quickly, but with every mistake erased and life's lessons learned, eventually the eraser last longer and longer and longer...until finally you have the experience and the confidence to use a pen!

This is the best thing I have read today.  Over the years, I've plussed you and negged you (when we had that option), but this is the plussiest thing you have ever written.  I regret that I can only like it once.  I might just have to find some random posts of yours and like them.

 

If he had a full season, he might be a bit more poised.  If we still had Lidstrom and Stuart, and had gotten DD, and if DD hadn't gotten hurt, Smith would be in the press box, if he was on the team at all.  Cola wouldn't have been signed, and White looked good with Lids, so it would probably be 5-18, 55-23, 52-65 with Q and Kindl in the press box. 

 

Those are huge "if"s.  You play with the team you have.   You really don't have other options.  Is White better than Smith?  I think so, but Babs doesn't.  Babs sees them every day.  I don't.

 

Yes, Smith is going to make some bad plays and bad decisions.  E did the same when not paired with Nick, who often bailed him out.  I was ready to write Kindl off as a bust, but he also just needed time and experience to develop.  How many times do we get told that D need more time to develop?

 

The young D has been thrown into the fire this year, and they are being refined like silver.  Some day they will shine.  Some are there; some are not.

 

Criticism is warranted.  Wanting to trade him when he's bad is understandable.  Demanding that he be traded at this point is premature, short-sighted, and petulant.


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 10:50 PM

smith is just finding his feet. you can see his confidence grow with each game. he looked better towards the end of the ducks series when he scored his first goal of the season and has improved a bit each game since. he will be a great player for years to come once he settles in and learns when he should use his skill and when to just play it smart/simple. 



Remember when we were all calling for Holland to buy low on Bogosian and then atlanta didn't trade him and it turned out he became a stud? The same could very well happen here. 



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 10:58 PM

Although I agree with folks who are giving the "smith is still a rookie" excuse, it's funny that Babcock still goes with Smith over White even after Smith makes a billion mistakes during playoffs. :hysterical: Gotta love babs.



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:18 PM

Smith has been pretty darn ok... 2 goals he's just having a difficult time with small plays


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Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:57 PM

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 12:39 AM

Short of him winning the Conn Smythe there is nothing he can do to redeem himself for the extraordinary amount of WTF moments he has had this post-season. 
 
He is the weakest D-man on the team, he is a PK-making machine, doesn't use his size, doesn't make good passes, and when he tried to be offensive he gives the puck away. 
 
Cut him loose and get what you can for him. He is a dime-a-dozen player. 


If you think he doesnt use his size then look at what he does to guys when they try to forecheck him. He's always the last one standing.

This offseason will determine whether Ken Holland should still be employed with the Wings organization.

 

Please put Smith on the Power Play!


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 01:13 AM

Now no one shoot me but one day he may be our captain.

The captain who will lead by example, give you the shirt off his back, his ID out of his wallet so you can go drinking while underage...  Nah, I don't see that happening.  The next captain of the Wings after Hank retires will be Cleary who will still be playing here in his 40s.

 

If the next captain is already on the roster (and I don't think he is personally) I would give DeKeyser a better chance at the C than Smith.  


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