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#161 rick zombo

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:41 AM

Maybe if Smith played a full season here last year like he should have, the ride would be a little less bumpy right now.

 

I feel like he's the one prospect the Wings have mis-managed up to this point. But I also feel like he'll be fine moving forward.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:31 AM

My favorite plays from smith is when he has the puck and both teams are changing and he flies around and can't make the red line and ices the puck. Once a period. I can't stand this guy wearing a red wings jersey he may get better but for everything he has cost us I can't stand him. How can you be a competitor when you are obviously the worst defenseman on either team night in night out with out making any slight adjustments. Add that to Quincey playing great. If we had any kind of real athlete on his side we would be nice defensively but smith makes it our huge weakness

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:36 AM

My favorite plays from smith is when he has the puck and both teams are changing and he flies around and can't make the red line and ices the puck. Once a period. I can't stand this guy wearing a red wings jersey he may get better but for everything he has cost us I can't stand him. How can you be a competitor when you are obviously the worst defenseman on either team night in night out with out making any slight adjustments. Add that to Quincey playing great. If we had any kind of real athlete on his side we would be nice defensively but smith makes it our huge weakness

 

That's what makes it more frustrating.  The entire defensive corps has been night-and-day better than it was in February.  Kronwall was good all year.  Ericsson has been a rock.  Kindl really improved down the stretch and is playing like a Top 4 guy now.  But Smith has yet to mentally find the defensive game.  His offensive contributions don't do anything to excuse or mitigate his failure to defend our end of the rink.  I was a huge Smith supporter before the season (albeit based on very little information), and I was completely wrong.



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:57 AM

The Red Wings Defensive Line-Up would look like this if the organization listened to all our griping:

DeKeyser.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:07 PM

Smith is an embarrassment he is directly costing us huge goals. Why would you want him to keep playing so when he scores a goal you can be like I told you guys?

For the most part out defense has been great actually. Then smith comes out and takes a dump on everyone's effort. How many times has Quincey broken up breakaways and odd man rushes because of smith. Those would be goals during our regular season

Smith has been brutal all season none of this is new either. Game 4 was the only good game I've ever seen him play in the NHL and that wasn't outstanding it was notf****** up

Edited by joesuffP, 28 May 2013 - 12:11 PM.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:10 PM

Smith skates. He makes bonehead rookie mistakes, but guess what? He's a fricking rookie!! When will LGW people give a defenseman longer than 2 years to get his groove? Its disturbing how short sighted some are. Havent you seen that I was right all along in that our young guys should be playing?


I totally agree that less experienced players like Smith are going to struggle and make a ton of mistakes. I think what people are upset about, well me anyway, is that if Ian White were playing instead of Smith we would have won the series with Chicago by now.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:11 PM

I totally agree that less experienced players like Smith are going to struggle and make a ton of mistakes. I think what people are upset about, well me anyway, is that if Ian White were playing instead of Smith we would have won the series with Chicago by now.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:13 PM

If white was playing instead of smith last night I believe we would have won. Also in our other losses the game got away from us but with a real athlete playing for him that may have never got to that point

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:18 PM

Smith 2013-2014 will be fine. He'll learn, he'll grow, and he'll be forced to either sink or swim. Ericsson was the same way. Kindl was a spare part before Babcock showed him his "ticket home" so-to-speak. Smith has Kronwall-caliber potential, and I think we the leadership in the room and the faith of the coaching staff, he could very well reach that sooner rather than later.

 

That said, Smith 2012-2013 has been a mess. The 2nd goal the other night was a prime example of a young player getting lost in the play, trying to do too much instead of manning his post and playing his part. Puck along the boards, man-on-man trying to retrieve the puck and he gets preoccupied with the battle in the corner, moving to support 30 feet from his net and forgetting his responsibility.

 

He'll eventually work these gaffs out of his system, but in the meantime, its going to be a bumpy ride. I do agree with rick zombo in that regard. Should have had Smith in more last season, getting his lumps while we had a more potent back-end to support and mentor. As it stands now, he is playing Top 4 minutes, getting costly education on the job, and the only steady veteran defenseman worth leaning on for support is Kronwall.

 

If Smith costs us this series, he won't have done it alone, and he'll learn. Let's just hope he plays level in Chicago tomorrow.



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:22 PM

Maybe if Smith played a full season here last year like he should have, the ride would be a little less bumpy right now.

 

I feel like he's the one prospect the Wings have mis-managed up to this point. But I also feel like he'll be fine moving forward.

You mean if he got the chance to play with and around Lids like everyone else did?  We got Ian White to play with Lids and like I said before, a pilon could be +20 with Lids and get 40 points.  White got low 30's I believe. 


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:23 PM

So far smith plays a good game after about 55 terrible ones so around mid season he'll be a stud for a game

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:24 PM

Still leads the D in points
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:24 PM

I totally agree that less experienced players like Smith are going to struggle and make a ton of mistakes. I think what people are upset about, well me anyway, is that if Ian White were playing instead of Smith we would have won the series with Chicago by now.

 

Ian White is a  far bigger defensive liability than Smith.  Sure Smith was 90% responsible for 2 of the goals against last night, but White would have done the same, and that's why he's not in the line-up.  At least Smith can make a breakout pass without icing the puck or turning it over, White cannot.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:25 PM

lol

 

 

Yep, funny, sad, and true.  Playing Smith over White is mortgaging the present Cup run for the future.



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:28 PM

Smith has easily been our worst defenseman these playoffs. Every night I am cursing at the TV to get him off the ice. He is out of position, turning over pucks, and being none-too-reliable in his own or the attacking zone. I hate this Brendan Smith. Period....
 
Now, replace Brendan Smith with Jonathan Ericsson and you'll be transported to a far away time called 2009-2012. Doesn't change the fact that in the moment he is goat #1, but it also doesn't change the fact that he is a rookie goat. You don't trade away rookie goats.
 
...and Ian White would be just as horrible. White lost his spot to Smith, Kindl, and Lashoff for a reason (EDIT: and Cola, and rookie DeKeyser. If DK was healthy, White would be 9th on the depth chart).

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:30 PM

I don't see how this experience is good for smith either. Half his NHL career is all negative and he seems to not have a problem with it cause he hasn't made the slightest adjustment to to improve. Bench his ass and show him how much better you have to be for playoffs next year. And for him to be guaranteed a top 4 spot is making him entitled to the role no matter how he plays. I don't understand how you don't put Kindl up he has been great and has more experience

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:35 PM

You mean if he got the chance to play with and around Lids like everyone else did?  We got Ian White to play with Lids and like I said before, a pilon could be +20 with Lids and get 40 points.  White got low 30's I believe. 

 

Yup. That's what I meant,


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:39 PM

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I don't see how this experience is good for smith either. Half his NHL career is all negative and he seems to not have a problem with it cause he hasn't made the slightest adjustment to to improve. Bench his ass and show him how much better you have to be for playoffs next year. And for him to be guaranteed a top 4 spot is making him entitled to the role no matter how he plays. I don't understand how you don't put Kindl up he has been great and has more experience

 

Agreed  

 

We'd have won by now with Lashoff in for Smith.  I have never seen anyone make so many colossal mistakes that directly result in goals against.  White didn't come close to the catostrophy that Smith is.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:44 PM

What I don't understand, is why aren't his minutes being shortened? It seems like Quincey and Smith play the most. Quincey has been good, but good Lord Smith is a liability.

I don't see how this experience is good for smith either. Half his NHL career is all negative and he seems to not have a problem with it cause he hasn't made the slightest adjustment to to improve. Bench his ass and show him how much better you have to be for playoffs next year. And for him to be guaranteed a top 4 spot is making him entitled to the role no matter how he plays. I don't understand how you don't put Kindl up he has been great and has more experience

He tries to improve. But he's mentally weak. He behaves like someone who thinks he sucks. His head hangs, he looks miserable all the time out there. He needs someone to teach him confidence and mental stability on the ice.
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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:53 PM

What I don't understand, is why aren't his minutes being shortened? It seems like Quincey and Smith play the most. Quincey has been good, but good Lord Smith is a liability.

He tries to improve. But he's mentally weak. He behaves like someone who thinks he sucks. His head hangs, he looks miserable all the time out there. He needs someone to teach him confidence and mental stability on the ice.

 

 

I'd actually say he is more of a crap shoot than a liability: You really have no idea what you're going to get when he is on the ice.  

 

He has ruined whatever trade value he may have had.  We need to manage him better than we have.  

 

I hope he doesn't make another colossal game costing mistake that loses Game 7, but if he does, who here will be suprised? (Nobody on the Wings bench will be)







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