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#21 puckbags

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:04 AM

As much as I would love to see Tootoo in to wipe the ice clean with Bickell and Shaw, putting him in after the implosion of the Hawks last game would only show a sign that you mean to be more aggressive and that would draw unwanted attention to your team thus resulting in a penalty every time Tootoo even looked at a Hawk....

 

Dickell and Shaw had their fun, coach Q will have to keep them under control now.  I just loved Z laughing at Shaw.  


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:24 AM

Id be all for it if Miller/ Eaves didn't score a goal in this last game. I think the weakest guy on the team right now is Clearey, but he hasn't been playing badly at all.

 

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:29 AM

I think the Wings could work the Hawks right now with how the line ups stand.  I like Tootoo a lot, but you just can't change success against such a dangerous team at this point. 


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:37 AM

In a word: no. This lineup is playing very well.



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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:40 AM

Nope. Why do people think Tootoo is good? Emmerton, Eaves, Miller>>>> Tootoo

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 11:57 AM

Nope. Why do people think Tootoo is good? Emmerton, Eaves, Miller>>>> Tootoo

For me, that's too far. He's been very good for us. He's been energy when we need it, grit when we need it. I just don't feel he's what we need right now.



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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:02 PM

No.  Unless injury, never F*** with a winning lineup. 


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:13 PM

Yes let's fight and take penalties, why stop with Tootoo? Lets see if we can bring up a goon from the minors too!!! Are you kidding me? This is the playoffs, we don't need a heavy. Did anyone touch Pavel not with Abby skating around. Bring in Tootoo for who? Miller nope Emdog nope Eaves nope Cleary nope. Teams fine don't change a thing. 26 hits in 2 periods 6 from Abby stay hard on their D.
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:24 PM

as much as i've missed toots in the lineup, i agree with the vast majority that says no. the lineup is playing great as is and with plenty of agression too. don't fix it if it hasn't broken yet. 


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:49 PM

Im as big of Tootoo fan as u can be here and would love to see him just because I love his game and energy and attitude BUT....

With that being said I think the game the Hawks are playing would make it very tuff for #22 to keep skating away laffing like Cleary does.
As fun as it would be to see Toots mutilate a Hawk, thats exactly what they want and he may even pick up an extra 10 the way the refs are seeing things.

Ive noticed this for years and years....our team never pulls the cheap excessive bulls*** that every team pulls on us instead we just skate away...thats the Redwing way and I love that aspect to our game.

Make no mistake, the league knows we are NOT the same ole Wings though and can thrash if needed. The young guys swarm the net when people get near Jimmy, cNt tell you how happy that makes me.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:14 PM

No. We need Cleary he's pissing them off immensely. We need all our fourth line. Pk masters. Our third line is dominant. So that leaves Abby fil franzen or pav or z. Soo no. I love toots. But Abby Cleary smith big rig will enforce next game. Q will stay out of it because of his jaw. Hence not dropping the gloves hen getting manhandled after the whistle last game. Maybe he's not as dumb as he looks.

I love Tootoo but Miller, Eaves, and even Emmerton are better penalty killers than he is. I would sub him for Cleary if I had to choose but only because I think Cleary is sore from the Winnik hit + the Seabrook shove into the net + the way he plays.  



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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:09 PM

I honestly thought Tootoo would be a regular for the Wings, it wouldnt suprise me to see him traded in the offseason, expecially if he is riding the bench.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:38 PM

I honestly thought Tootoo would be a regular for the Wings, it wouldnt suprise me to see him traded in the offseason, expecially if he is riding the bench.

 

played 42 games out of 48 in the season, thats pretty regular if you ask me. Babs wanted more discipline for the playoffs, thats why tootsis out.



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Posted 21 May 2013 - 03:05 PM

 

played 42 games out of 48 in the season, thats pretty regular if you ask me. Babs wanted more discipline for the playoffs, thats why tootsis out.

The thing is, we're paying him nearly 2 million/yr.  I enjoy having a presence like him around, but that might be a little much to pay if he can't play regularly in the playoffs.  I guess it's not an issue until we get closer to the cap, but it's something to keep in mind.


Edited by Zetts, 21 May 2013 - 03:06 PM.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 03:08 PM

 

played 42 games out of 48 in the season, thats pretty regular if you ask me. Babs wanted more discipline for the playoffs, thats why tootsis out.

 

Which was part of my problem when they signed him.  He hardly played for Nashville last playoffs too.  That says something about his defensive ability given he does bring energy and a level of physicality. 

 

Though he didn't dive much and I don't remember any cheapshots, $1.9 mill for 3 years is still a lot for a guy who plays 10 minutes a night and sits in the press box come playoff time. 



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Posted 21 May 2013 - 03:12 PM

In 2011-12 Toots played the most regular season games of his career, 77. He only played 3 games in the playoffs. The season before, 2010-11, he played in all 12 playoff games.

 

Apparently, Trotz and Babs have similar thoughts about his usefulness in the playoffs.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:17 PM

I honestly thought Tootoo would be a regular for the Wings, it wouldnt suprise me to see him traded in the offseason, expecially if he is riding the bench.

I don't see that.  Tootoo brings energy to the garden-variety games.   They need someone to ramp it up and bring extra spark on the average Tuesday in February against the Panthers (or equally boring game where it's hard to get psyched up, but we still need the two points).

 

No one needs motivation to get ramped up during the playoffs. 

 

Regular season games need a player with some edge and energy.  During the playoffs, everyone has edge and energy.

 

If we had faced a team of dirty players out there pile-driving our players and getting away with it, Toots would be out there to "keep the flies off".  As it is, despite some questionable hits from other teams which may or may not have been called, no one is out banging Z's head into anything as time expires.

 

Yet.

 

If that sort of thing happens, and the guys who are on the ice can't handle it, then bring Tootoo in for one game to sort things out. 

 

During the regular season, you need to send a message to all of the other teams that you won't stand for such things.  During the playoffs, you battle one team at a time, and react to what that particular team is doing at that particular time. 

 

At this point, the Hawks haven't been doing anything that requires getting a fighter out there, and the Wings, aside from being gassed in game 1, haven't needed the extra energy.

 

For all we know, he's being like Downey in 2008 and providing the on-going encouragement during practice and down-times, and being the team's positive cheer-leader and motivator, as well as providing depth in the event of injury.

 

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:58 PM

I've been a critic of Babs not playing Tootoo regularly throughout the playoffs, but there is no reason to change the lines after a big win, especially since Eaves and Miller scored yesterday.

Seeing Bickell run around after the whistles and stuff yesterday was especially humorous, considering he had 1 fight in 48 regular season games this season. The guy is built, and he's effective when he plays a physical style, but he's a fake. 8 career NHL fights.
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:15 PM

My one cent says NO.

 

I like Tootoo but just isn't his time right now.


Edited by St. Michael (the Red Wing), 21 May 2013 - 07:16 PM.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:25 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing him dressed.  I can understand if Babcock doesn't want to mess with a winning lineup, though.  But you never know with Babcock.  He changed stuff up in the Anaheim series, even when we were winning.  

 

My biggest beef is that we're tougher than Chicago on paper, but our guys looked unwilling to oblige yesterday.  When Bickell is crosschecking Kronwall or Cleary repeatedly after the play, I'd love to see Ericsson step in there.  He's fought much tougher guys before.

 

Players like Quincey, Smith and Abby should also be willing to oblige.  We're not playing against the '82 Flyers here, to be intimidated of anyone on their team.    



Yes let's fight and take penalties, why stop with Tootoo? Lets see if we can bring up a goon from the minors too!!! Are you kidding me? This is the playoffs, we don't need a heavy. Did anyone touch Pavel not with Abby skating around. Bring in Tootoo for who? Miller nope Emdog nope Eaves nope Cleary nope. Teams fine don't change a thing. 26 hits in 2 periods 6 from Abby stay hard on their D.

 

Tootoo doesn't take that many penalties.  We have people like Smith and Quincey taking stupid penalties all the time.  Abby too. 

 

Everyone thinks a guy who fights is automatically undisciplined and takes dumb penalties all the time.  Same crap everyone said about Downey, when nothing of the sort was true.


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