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#21 puckloo39

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 09:02 AM

I think he will be fine.  None of the guys want to play badly, I think his time is coming.  Like... on Monday.  :thumbs-up:


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 09:08 AM

Flip hasn't put up this year, yet...I not thinking about what we are doing with him or his overall performance even until this hockey team has played it's last game.   I think we will win our game on Monday and move on to the WCF, I really hope Val is a big part of that win.   LGW


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:43 AM

Filp will be gone because under the cap we are not allowed to enjoy the fruits of our own cultivation. ( If you're drafting and development are too good, you end up supplying the league with good players because the rules won't allow you to pay them for what you helped make them worth--some other team gets the return on your investment).

 

Nyquist will move up with Z, and Tatar will join the team.


Edited by T.Low, 26 May 2013 - 10:49 AM.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:48 AM

He's played good this series idk what other people are watching.  But hey this is LGW so let's all pick a player to pile on!

 

Gotta move on from Cleary and Abby since they've upped their games in the playoffs.

 

Which is exactly what counts.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:08 PM

I like the guy, but he clearly has no Finnish.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:40 PM

And then he scores the series winner in Game 6 and everyone shuts up.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:11 PM

This series will be won based on who wakes up first: Franzen-Filpulla vs Hossa-Sharp.

Both Mule and Flipper need to play with more jam.
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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:28 PM

This series will be won based on who wakes up first: Franzen-Filpulla vs Hossa-Sharp.
Both Mule and Flipper need to play with more jam.



Anaheim was same way. Fil franzen and z or perry.

Game 7 fil showed up goal wise. But was always putting pressure on them.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 05:02 PM

Filp will be gone because under the cap we are not allowed to enjoy the fruits of our own cultivation. ( If you're drafting and development are too good, you end up supplying the league with good players because the rules won't allow you to pay them for what you helped make them worth--some other team gets the return on your investment).

 

Nyquist will move up with Z, and Tatar will join the team.

 

The Wings have PLENTY of cap space to give Filppula his reported asking price.  The reality is, he is nowhere near worth that price ($5M).  He is a half-point-a-game player, is good defensively (but so are a lot of other forwards) but does not produce offensively to his talent level, and very rarely shows any desire to be better.  He's basically a perimeter player.  Let someone else pay him what he is "worth".

 

Also, T.Low, what goes around comes around, the Wings have picked up players off the scrap heap that have contributed here, and in the near future, could benefit from the exact situation you are describing, getting quality players from other teams who can no longer afford them.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:04 PM

One thing I don't get is when people say Fil's future with the Wings depends on what Pavel does????? Fil is a 3 rd line center at best so why does it matter? If Pavel goes back home after next season the Wings will need every penny of salary cap space to replace him and they will not need a over payed Fil taking up that space. Kenny Holland would have got overpaid at the deadline for Fil and he could have easily been replaced by Tatar. 

 

If Fil was not afraid of his own shadow he has the tools to be a great player in this league. I like him but theres not room for him.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:35 PM

This series will be won based on who wakes up first: Franzen-Filpulla vs Hossa-Sharp.

Both Mule and Flipper need to play with more jam.

 

Franzen seemed to be hustling in game 5 more than he has all series, he just didn't score



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:49 PM

Franzen seemed to be hustling in game 5 more than he has all series, he just didn't score


So basically he was like Fil has been all playoffs.

Fil has struggled and its frustrating because you know has is capable of much more, but he's still a valuable asset and has been an ace at faceoffs and he is invaluable when it comes to skating the puck through the neutral zone and getting it set up. To whoever said that he ruins all offense, that's just stupid. Straight up. He's been our best forward not named Datsyuk or Zetterberg (Brunner has been sick, but he doesn't play against the other teams best players), although that isn't saying a whole lot since Cleary and Franzen aren't playing well either.


Filppula needs to be much more aggressive with the puck, but he has works his ass off the entire game and we don't make it to the second round if he isn't on our team. Those are facts.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 10:59 PM

So basically he was like Fil has been all playoffs.

Fil has struggled and its frustrating because you know has is capable of much more, but he's still a valuable asset and has been an ace at faceoffs and he is invaluable when it comes to skating the puck through the neutral zone and getting it set up. To whoever said that he ruins all offense, that's just stupid. Straight up. He's been our best forward not named Datsyuk or Zetterberg (Brunner has been sick, but he doesn't play against the other teams best players), although that isn't saying a whole lot since Cleary and Franzen aren't playing well either.


Filppula needs to be much more aggressive with the puck, but he has works his ass off the entire game and we don't make it to the second round if he isn't on our team. Those are facts.

 

While I do agree he has worked hard and has not been wasted out there, it matters not how defenively capable you  may be if you cannot score as a forward, we really need him to step it up and shoot more



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 11:11 PM

Oh I agree completely. He's playing way to much on the perimeter, he needs to take the puck to the net way more often. That's when he is most successful and why he scored 66 points last year. He is timid and needs to play more aggressive. Its hard to say why he isn't and what changed between last year and this one.

I'm just saying he hasn't been as bad as people like the OP are making it out to be.

Edited by Z and D for the C, 26 May 2013 - 11:12 PM.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 08:36 AM

Filppula was much better last game. Still playing too much on the edge, but so is half the team. At least the guy is moving his feet, trying to create and battle, even if he isn't doing it the best way possible.

 

Speaking of sloppy, lazy, perimeter players: when is our "favorite" playoff beast Franzen due back from vacation?



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 09:14 AM

Am i the only one who thinks he is clearly hurting? he's usually a smooth skater and his skating has been laborious. 

That's a really good point. I recall Yzerman pointed out how Flip played hurt one playoff season a while back without any whining or press. As Sherlock Holmes (and later Spock too) said, "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 09:26 AM

Mule was a turn over machine last night. Ps Mule we need you in beast mode game 7


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:33 AM

My attitude towards #51 is pretty similar to the way everybody used to view Hudler when he was here.  I just learned not to expect that much out of him.  As a center and a good defender, he's certainly a more valuable overall player than Hudler was, but neither of them seemed to have any consistent role in generating offense.  Honestly, you could watch games the past few years, and see more game-to-game impact from Danny Cleary than you would from Filppula. 

But some team will pay him $5 mil/yr in July, just like countless medicore centers have gotten paid over and over again by mid-tier teams hoping to buy themselves out of having not lucked into a legit 1st (or 2nd) line center.  I legitimately believe that Nyquist can replace most or all of Filppula's 2-way game next season, and he won't cost $5 million.  We'll need to sign or develop a new scoring center next year, but that was pretty much the case anyway b/c of the situation with Datsyuk.

 

Unfortunately, this feels like a situation like the Ericsson one where fans assume he'll be let go, but the organization might be more intent on keeping him - which will lead to a backlash when he's "overpaid".  The Ericsson thing ended up working out surprisingly well, but Filppula is older and there's no indication to me he has another level he can add to his game.



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:15 AM

Unfortunately, this feels like a situation like the Ericsson one where fans assume he'll be let go, but the organization might be more intent on keeping him - which will lead to a backlash when he's "overpaid".  The Ericsson thing ended up working out surprisingly well, but Filppula is older and there's no indication to me he has another level he can add to his game.

 

Filppula already got his "faith" contract. He is on the last season of it. Kronwall and Ericsson justified theirs by continuing to improve. Filppula hit a plateau. His 60-point season was hopeful, but he has returned to 40-point form. He's good as a third-line center and little else. If he wants to take $3m to play that role, great. He can play the wing or the center on that line and perhaps be effective. But he has reached the limit of his potential, and he'll very likely never be viable as a top-six player.



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 12:33 PM

 

Filppula already got his "faith" contract. He is on the last season of it. Kronwall and Ericsson justified theirs by continuing to improve. Filppula hit a plateau. His 60-point season was hopeful, but he has returned to 40-point form. He's good as a third-line center and little else. If he wants to take $3m to play that role, great. He can play the wing or the center on that line and perhaps be effective. But he has reached the limit of his potential, and he'll very likely never be viable as a top-six player.

Agreed.  If he wants more than 3 mil, he can centre Hudler in Calgary.  I can't wait to see what kind of goofball signings are made this summer.  I hope next to none and we have Tatar up next year and our boys have to fight hard to keep their jobs over prospects in GR.  It's time to start giving out 1-2 year deals so the wolves stay hungry....cause the legs feed the wolves. 


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