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#21 Ally

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 02:11 AM

NBC basically seemed to say that it COULD be a penalty shot but that it shouldn't have been one which is the opinion I've seen from almost everyone.
Agreed, it's not the reason we lost but it's certainly a part of it. It's just a shame to see such inconsistent officiating. Jimmy was rattled about the call and it showed.

 
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Posted 29 May 2013 - 10:04 AM

though this topic should be done and over with as no amount of bitching will change it, Aaron Ward of TSN just tweeted this link:

 

http://t.co/FFxFgSG1oC

 

this is video showing where frolik got slashed and then as he skates back towards the bench he shakes his wrong hand like it is the one that got slashed. pretty horrible sell job.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 10:34 AM

though this topic should be done and over with as no amount of bitching will change it, Aaron Ward of TSN just tweeted this link:

 

http://t.co/FFxFgSG1oC

 

this is video showing where frolik got slashed and then as he skates back towards the bench he shakes his wrong hand like it is the one that got slashed. pretty horrible sell job.

 

2 out of 3 TSN's the quiz said no a penalty shot. (Mackenzie and Ward). Pang said yes if it was a penalty that is a penalty shot, but he said he did not think it was a penalty. video here Its kinda funny.

 

 Modano at times has voiced his displeasure about his time in hockeytown Allegedly freaked out on twitter about the call.

 

@9modano: @NHL what the hell kind of call was that.??!! Penalty shot at that s*** play.!! @DetroitRedWings

 

After the tweet was sent to me I checked his account and it was gone. So it was a fake or he deleted it. 

 

So its not just us. 


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:01 AM

Agree with Crashnburnluder, and this is the largest problem with officiating in this league: gross inconsistency. Call it both ways, or not at all. Call it the same in the first period, second period, and third period. Call it in Game 1 or Game 7. or not at all. When refs get "choosy" about which penalties to call, the result is a tilted playing surface and the comprising of competitive balance.

The consistency is what upsets me as well. Penalties are called, or not called, too often based on context. If the play is a slash on Frolik, then the similar slashes on non-breakaway plays should have been called throughout the game. If Abby gets called for cross-checking Kane during play earlier in the series, then Sharp should be called for cross-checking Nyquist after the whistle in the same game.

 

IMO context shouldn't have a large role in penalties. Infractions are more apparent on scoring chances, but infractions all over the ice interrupt the creation of scoring chances.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:12 AM

I can't believe that we're still talking about this.  Refs on the ice thought it was the right call.  The CBC announcers thought it was the right call.  The NBC announcers thought it was the right call, and now Fraser thinks it's the right call.  The only people that don't think so are the Detroit fans.  We all need to get over it and perhaps ask ourselves why our team consistently gets outplayed in the third period.  Despite having frequent leads.  And despite at times overwhelming play in periods one and two. 

 

If you think that call was what lost us the game, ask yourself this: "Why did he have a breakaway in the third period at all?  Why haven't we had any?"

 

I don't have a problem with people talking about it, reasonable minds can differ on it.  But I agree with @kipwinger that this was just so far buried on the list of "Game 6 storylines" that I'm really not hung up on it.  People are fixating on how minor the hook/slash was and whether it actually did anything to impede Frolik's breakaway shot, but that ignores the overall desperation of the play.  If you badly turn the puck over, then completely lose a guy to a complete breakaway, and then chase him and make any type of play on the man from behind (either with the stick, or a trip, or a hold), you have to be on notice that you're in danger of giving a penalty shot.  That play "felt" desperate because it was, and desperate plays make for easy calls.

 

The combination of that mistake, Smith's two mistakes, and the overall inability of the team to regain composure after making those mistakes are what did us in, not the refs.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:26 AM

I can't believe that we're still talking about this.  Refs on the ice thought it was the right call.  The CBC announcers thought it was the right call.  The NBC announcers thought it was the right call, and now Fraser thinks it's the right call.  The only people that don't think so are the Detroit fans.  We all need to get over it and perhaps ask ourselves why our team consistently gets outplayed in the third period.  Despite having frequent leads.  And despite at times overwhelming play in periods one and two. 

 

If you think that call was what lost us the game, ask yourself this: "Why did he have a breakaway in the third period at all?  Why haven't we had any?"

 

I don't get into bitching about penalties and blaming games on them. For the most part penalties even out in my opinion. I know alot of these rules aren't there to make sure it never happens but to keep things in check. Obviously a slash to the face is called every time. Holding, interference, slashing are examples of rules that aren't made to 100% prevent it but to keep it in check. If a team does one or more of these things to frequently and to aggressively it is a penalty. You CAN do these these things all game within reason and not be called, the league knows they can't or shouldn't stop it all together even though the rule says you can't. They make the rules its illegal so when the refs do step in and enforce a penalty they are protected by being correct in the rule book. It's plain and simple. Most of the time penalties balance out, yes even against the Wings. Sure once in a great while a game doesn't balance out by the end of that night, but it does the next game.

But that call on the penalty shot, aside from the fact the rule says you can't slash the hands... Was crap. He played him very well there isn't much less he could of done to try and make a play. He let the guy know he I'm behind you so you better make a quick play. That's all he was trying to do. I have not seen a weaker penalty shot be called ever, especially in the playoffs in a tight one goal game.



#27 The Axe

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:57 PM

My beef is that we get penalized more even when we have the better team.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 04:51 PM

The biggest issue with assuming a long-standing conspiracy within an organization is the assumption carries a requirement that the people conspiring are competent and somewhat forward-looking to anticipate new ways to implement the conspiracy anew.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but the brain trust of the NHL, in my opinion, aren't competent and sure as hell aren't forward looking.


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:11 PM

The biggest issue with assuming a long-standing conspiracy within an organization is the assumption carries a requirement that the people conspiring are competent and somewhat forward-looking to anticipate new ways to implement the conspiracy anew.

 

I don't know about anyone else, but the brain trust of the NHL, in my opinion, aren't competent and sure as hell aren't forward looking.

 

For years my father has claimed that the league "hates the Wings" or "wants Detroit to lose" or whatever.  I constantly have to remind him that we are the most successful organization of the last two decades.  If there is a conspiracy against the Wings, it's the least successful conspiracy ever.  Why would anybody give a rat's ass about an ineffective conspiracy?


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:55 PM

For years my father has claimed that the league "hates the Wings" or "wants Detroit to lose" or whatever.  I constantly have to remind him that we are the most successful organization of the last two decades.  If there is a conspiracy against the Wings, it's the least successful conspiracy ever.  Why would anybody give a rat's ass about an ineffective conspiracy?


the league doesn't fix games so to speak but they can nudge/push games in a certain direction with schedule (remember round 2 against Pens when the series started on a weekend which hadn't happened in something like 30 years and the Wings got LESS rest for winning that series in 6 vs. 7 games, lidstrom's family jewels being out of commission and all etc)

and with ref assignments, which they refuse to spell out any length of time in advance, and yes, the league, all leagues, keep stats on their officials, some more prone to call sticks, obstruction, more majors, etc,

Dan O'Halloran, who literally has been quoted as saying he "hates the city of Detroit" reffred games 1, 5 and 7 of the Pens series for instance.

Guess who was reffing game 6 two days ago when the league needed a Chicago win for a lucrative O6 game 7?

and then you have the NHL higher up who , again, literally admitted in the press that it's good for the league when the series go long, are extended to 7 games for revenue purposes. Sorry I don't have a link right now but all this has been discussed and documented here and other places.

and finally, although I haven't checked this year or lately, I know that for many years in a row how do you explain the Red Wings being, over an 82 game schedule, one of the LEAST penalized teams league wide but during the PO's they suddenly are one of the most penalized? How do you explain an Anaheim team that's one of the most penalized during the season and all of a sudden Detroit is penalized more than Anaheim. Has happened more than once as well. And this from a skilled 'soft', euro team as well???

go ahead and respond with snark and derision but the FACTS are on my side, again, it's all been hashed out and DOCUMENTED.

My beef is that we get penalized more even when we have the better team.


see my post above, amazing how they have been in the past one of the least penalized teams over 82 games and then end up getting called for more penalties than even clutch and grab opponents like Anaheim et all. Has happened multiple times. Once is one thing.





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