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#21 dirtydangles

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:20 PM

There are two options I guess. One is to just rest and see if it goes away. The other is to stress himself and try to illuminate the source of the injury by causing/recreating the injury for doctors to look at. There are no guarantees either way.

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#22 PavelValerievichDatsyuk

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:22 PM

I would seriously consider buying him out if I'm Holland. Not because I don't like him but because its a freak back injury. You never know what happens.

He would just be on the injured reserve. No use in buying him out. Plus he's Helm - we want him, whenever he gets back

 

edit:oops someone else pointed this out


Edited by PavelValerievichDatsyuk, 30 May 2013 - 08:23 PM.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:22 PM

No need. They'll have him on LTIR, so he won't count against the cap. If he comes back, we're a better hockey team. If not, he won't hurt the team's cap situation.


But if he is put on it I thought he can't come back? I'm not sure how it works. But I thought it was like ir in football where you ccan't come off it mid season once put on.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:05 PM

Take it for what its worth:

 

My friend works at a restaurant in Royal Oak that Darren Helm frequents, and he showed up tonight.  Apparently Helm says his back is feeling better and next season will be great.  I don't know how much of this is Helm telling a fan what he wants to hear, or whether it is sincere, but there was no visible pain or discomfort as he was moving around.



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:34 PM

Babcock also had this to say about Filpulla's injury:
 
"You guys watched the video, you decide," Babcock said. "He's hurt. He'll be ready for camp."
 
So I guess Filpulla's going to re-sign?
 
OR, Babs was just talking, much like the Helm quote.
 
Basically, I woudn't put too much stalk in how the coach phrased his responses. Know what I mean?


I think he just prepares each off season as if the roster stays the same. He probably doesn't know if Flip is staying, but he prepares for him to stay I'm sure.
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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:38 PM

But if he is put on it I thought he can't come back? I'm not sure how it works. But I thought it was like ir in football where you ccan't come off it mid season once put on.

 

There are restrictions to LTIR, but they're not nearly as bad as you think.  When a player is placed on LTIR, the team can effectively reduce his cap hit to zero allowing teams to overspend that player's share of the cap while he's injured.  I say "effectively", because the cap hit is only reduced to zero if the replacement salary (such as a call up or signing) pushes the team over the salary cap.  

 

To be placed on Long Term Injured Reserve, a player has to be deemed unable to play for a minimum of 10 games or 24 calendar days.  If a player is placed on LTIR and heals faster, he must then wait out the minimum time, so he would be unavailable even if healthy.  Once the player is healthy enough to play, he can be reactivated and is available immediately (provided it's been longer than 10 games/24 days).  However, if a team used the cap space that was saved by the player on injured reserve, they must cut salary to be cap compliant again.


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:47 PM

Any time a player misses a whole year of hockey there is always question if he will ever play again and for good reason. I hope he is well enough to train this summer and ready to go next season he makes us a better team
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:29 AM

I really hope this is all cleared up by the time training camp starts. Helm is one of my favorite players to watch, and lord knows the Wings could have used him during these playoffs. He is pretty much the spearhead of their energy game. They need those young energy players. I feel like Nyquist really stepped up into that role during the playoffs, I'd love to see him on a line with Helmer.



#29 The Axe

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:31 AM

Isnt there a world renowned specialist somewhere who can help us? Dang

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 11:28 AM

I really hope this is all cleared up by the time training camp starts. Helm is one of my favorite players to watch, and lord knows the Wings could have used him during these playoffs. He is pretty much the spearhead of their energy game. They need those young energy players. I feel like Nyquist really stepped up into that role during the playoffs, I'd love to see him on a line with Helmer.

 

Would love to see Nyquist, Helm and Cleary as the third line next season. Speed, skill, and grit. Would be a very balanced and effective 3rd line



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 12:23 PM

Take it for what its worth:

 

My friend works at a restaurant in Royal Oak that Darren Helm frequents, and he showed up tonight.  Apparently Helm says his back is feeling better and next season will be great.  I don't know how much of this is Helm telling a fan what he wants to hear, or whether it is sincere, but there was no visible pain or discomfort as he was moving around.

Thing is though Helm may feel great while he is not playing.  However skating puts stress on any player's back.  So he could rest for 3 months and then the back pain could return right away.  No one really knows.  Not even him.  I hope the rest cures it.  I really do.  I want to be optimistic.  I guess we will just have to wait and see and hope for the best.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 12:36 PM

Isnt there a world renowned specialist somewhere who can help us? Dang

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I'm sure he'll come back. Hopefully at the beginning of the season. I just hope he doesn't lose any of his speed when he comes back

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 12:38 PM

man he better be back in full swing come october.. what a world of a difference he would make!



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:04 PM

considering he is doing elliptical because riding a bike hurts, i am skeptical.  i really hope for the best though.



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:45 PM

I don't get why people think he is DAT.


The side doesn't score which is what our issue was. Yes our pk will improve but its all ready good. Our issue is and was putting pucks in the net.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:22 PM

I don't get why people think he is DAT.


The side doesn't score which is what our issue was. Yes our pk will improve but its all ready good. Our issue is and was putting pucks in the net.

 

No, not a big time scorer and never will be, but he does take a load off of Datsyuk and Zetterberg, puts pressure on the other team with his forechecking and brings energy. I've always thought he was our third most important forward.

 

I think he would have been the difference maker this series if healthy since, for example, Babcock wouldn't have to worry about getting Z out on the ice every time Toews got on.



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:47 PM

No, not a big time scorer and never will be, but he does take a load off of Datsyuk and Zetterberg, puts pressure on the other team with his forechecking and brings energy. I've always thought he was our third most important forward.
 
I think he would have been the difference maker this series if healthy since, for example, Babcock wouldn't have to worry about getting Z out on the ice every time Toews got on.

I guess we will disagree here as he wouldn't of been a difference maker. Again our bottom 6 was fine(yes he makes it better...a lot better). But our problem is top 6 size and scoring. Again he is neither.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 11:48 PM

I guess we will disagree here as he wouldn't of been a difference maker. Again our bottom 6 was fine(yes he makes it better...a lot better). But our problem is top 6 size and scoring. Again he is neither.

 

As he said though, if Helm can take on Toews that means Z is not out against a good defensive player in toews and can worry more about scoring than shutting down Toews.



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:32 AM

As he said though, if Helm can take on Toews that means Z is not out against a good defensive player in toews and can worry more about scoring than shutting down Toews.



The problem is his linemates can't handle toews linemates. He is a bottom 6 guy. If he was on the team this year he is on fourth line. So you want him emmerton and eaves out verse toews? That's pure stupidity sorry.


Unless there's an icing or something most of the time top 6 players face top 6 players....same with bottom 6.

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 01:36 PM

The problem is his linemates can't handle toews linemates. He is a bottom 6 guy. If he was on the team this year he is on fourth line. So you want him emmerton and eaves out verse toews? That's pure stupidity sorry.


Unless there's an icing or something most of the time top 6 players face top 6 players....same with bottom 6.

Helm with Miller and eaves would be a great shut down line. They're all PK guys so they're more than used to going up against Toews and his linemates.







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