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#21 Nyquistfan14

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:58 AM

One reason we are all so excited about these playoffs is because Kenney totally under sold us and the team over deliverred and that equals excitement.
 
He is under selling us again.  Bless his heart.
 
Personally. as much as I love Fil, but its painfully obvious we need a score first guy. 


I say we need to keep fil and play him with pav! Then we need to bring in a scorer like Horton or hossa!

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:06 AM

Why am I hearing that we need to buy out Cola?

What has he done to deserve such hate? He would be an outstanding 5-6 defenseman next year.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:09 AM

What we really need are a couple of solid power forwards. This team has no lack of skill or finesse, but all of that meant crap against Chicago when they gave us no room and our most skilled players mostly prefer to play the perimeter looking to make a sweet pass. We need more POWA! (get to the choppa!!)


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:17 AM

At a hometown discount this might be an option for the third line, but other than that thanks put no Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF300T using Tapatalk 2

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:25 AM

I highly doubt we stand pat. We simply have too many pieces to stand pat, and way too many players knocking on the door. Holland has already stated that he knows players are trying to push others for their jobs, and what it comes down to is a numbers game. That doesn't mean we're going to pick up new players, but we're certainly going to be active and moving pieces. With that being said, I see Holland going for the cheaper contracts on the rookies the franchise has the trust in. If anything this season was a wake-up call for Holland that his rookies need to be alongside his veterans so they can get this experience in before we don't have that many veterans. We were already rookie heavy this season, and we couldn't afford to add more inexperience to the line-up. Not to mention, we didn't even have Helmer with us for a full season. I don't think he goes absolutely nuts during free agency, but I think we'll continue to see a fresher, younger, faster Red Wings team. 
 
In the end, I don't think they're going to go after another D man, even though we need that true #1D. We have Kronner, Big Rig, Smitty, Quincey, Kuba, DeKeyser, and Carlo which is a solid 7 group. Not to mention we have numerous prospects moving into the A and trying to compete for jobs. Not saying they're pushing for them this upcoming season, but we need to look 2-3 years down the road. We already have to move some pieces on the back end, which is going to include some faces we certainly don't want to move but are going to be forced I believe. 
 
Scoring depth is going to be where we have to look. Unfortunately, we also don't have the space nor do I believe in a roster overhaul at this point. Brunner, I believe, will develop into a good threat, but I think we need that proven goal scorer to alleviate pressure on Brunner. He shouldn't be looked upon to be our main goal scorer, at least not yet. 2/3 line is most likely going to be his beauty spot. We need a true top line scorer who can pot em when needed. Of course, that isn't the easiest to get.
 
A full off-season with a full prospect camp, training camp, and preseason is going to provide a lot of competition for the roster. It's going to be exciting as hell to watch, and certainly should be fun for Babcock and the coaching staff.
 
I suppose this should be on another thread, but does anyone think we'll get rid of Tom Renney? I think Bill Peters has cemented himself within the staff nicely, but i'm not so sure we're sold on Renney. I'm not sure if Babcock wants to go around looking for another assistant coach after he just went through changes the past 2 seasons. Anyways, just wanted to bring that up and get some feedback on all of it.

 
 
I really like what you said about a wake up call. I assume Holland has finally realized how much talent he has stock piled in the minors, look at there healthy scratches as the season and playoffs rolled on.  Hopefully he finds the right balance of youth and vet, moving between the minors and NHL. Once we get that final quandary solved the Wings will again be ahead of the curve (much like Russian/Swede scouting). 
 


Why am I hearing that we need to buy out Cola?

What has he done to deserve such hate? He would be an outstanding 5-6 defenseman next year.

people just want a youth movement. I think Cola was a beast this year when healthy and is a great depth defensman.  

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 10:26 AM

We don't really need much this off-season. We don't even have room for anyone unless we buy people out or don't re-sign
I would love to get either a big skill guy or a fast guy. I really like stalberg and Horton. If we got one of those two we would be set.

If not, I would be perfectly happy with letting the young guys prove themselves again. That was fun to watch

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 11:46 AM


We hope to have a healthy Todd Bertuzzi. We hope to have a healthy Mikael Samuelsson. You can look forward to September 2013, and think we are going to have a real good competition” at training camp.

 

 

So this quote has me worried a bit, the Wings are one of the richest teams in the league why not use the money to their advantage?

 

 

I got to admit, when I first read that, my heart sank.  Its like all the doom and gloom predictions of the Holland Bashers coming true.  It is however worth noting the "I think we are going to have a real good competition at training camp" line which implies if they don't earn their place on the roster they'll be waived.  Its also worth noting that Sammy requires surgery on his pectoral injury, and if he's on IR, he can't be bought out....

 

But there's more to it than that.  This article says that Bickell and Stalberg, amongst others, have long been on the Wings radar.  Well, we can't sign them without cap space and roster room, and we're already over-populated at forward....

 

There's also this very interesting interview with Holland which I recommend everyone to read.  Some choice quotes

 

We had traded eight first-round draft picks from ’95 to ’05 — Keith Primeau, who was a first, plus a first, for Paul Coffey. Anders Eriksson, who was a first and two more firsts for Chris Chelios. A first-round pick, Kozlov, for Dominik Hasek. We traded a first and (Tomas) Fleischman for Robert Lang. And we traded a first and somebody else for Mathieu Schneider.

Since then, we’ve hung on to more picks, to get more spins at the wheel

 

 

Would we like to be bigger, would we like to be harder? Yeah. But it’s hard to address every need. We’re trying to steer a little bit to get a little bit bigger, but the decisions you make at the draft come to fruition six or seven years later.

 


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 12:41 PM

We lost to Chicago because we weren't tough enough? I don't believe that and I don't think Holland does either thankfully. Having a full time fighter isn't going to change our team into Stanley cup winning team.

I want to keep the Nyquist-Anders-Brunner line together having Helm center the line if he's healthy would be perfect but if Flip is not resigned I think Nyquist will move up. Also, we have to get Tatar playing in the NHL and not on the 4th line. I dont see where there is room for Sammy and Bert

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 12:53 PM

This article, to me, sounds like he wants to keep everyone and not even look at free agency. Which scares the crap out of me.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=424364


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 12:58 PM

We are 1 player away from being a contended next year. An elite scorer.

 

At this point I think Franzen and Sammy are the only 2 we could think about buying out, and Sammy is a stretch because hes got one year left and if hes healthy he'll actually get a chance to do something. Franzen I would only buyout because of the term of his contract, but that can wait til next offseason.

 

Tatar takes clearys spot (eventhough cleary had a solid post season)

Miller stays

Filp hopefully stays as long as its under 4mil (could be a long shot) or replaced

Brunner gets resigned

White leaves giving us 7 D

Nyg and Andersson get resigned

 

With all that happening above, we'd still need to lose someone to make room for our scorer. Could be filps spot for all I care.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 12:59 PM

Holland still wants a big forward and defenseman but none are in this free agent class. If someone like that becomes available from being bought out I'm sure he will be "kicking the tires"

Nyquist, Brunner, Andersson and Tatar should all get a lot of minutes next year then we have tradeable pieces. Our prospects are finally just getting noticed around the NHL

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:04 PM

A team that scored 5 goals in 3 games that they could have eliminated a team is NOT good enough. Once Chicago figured out the Wing's system they pretty much neutralized the Wing's top two lines, and became only the 25th team in the history of the NHL to battle back from 1-3 and win in game 7. Next season the Wings will find themselves in the East, were they will find themselves playing much tougher teams for 82 games, and doing so without a true #1 goal scorer, a true #1 D-man, and no back up goaltender. If you think that will end well, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. 


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:10 PM

unless Kenny packages some 2/3 roster guys in a deal then we can pretty much look at the same
team as last years say for the addition of 1 UFA at tops.

I think we are a top 6 scorer and a top 2 D short of being a legit contender next year.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:13 PM

The more I think about this, the more I think Andersson gets sent down for the regular season. If he really wants to stand pat it's one of our only options.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:14 PM

We lost to Chicago because we weren't tough enough? I don't believe that and I don't think Holland does either thankfully. Having a full time fighter isn't going to change our team into Stanley cup winning team.

I want to keep the Nyquist-Anders-Brunner line together having Helm center the line if he's healthy would be perfect but if Flip is not resigned I think Nyquist will move up. Also, we have to get Tatar playing in the NHL and not on the 4th line. I dont see where there is room for Sammy and Bert




There will be plenty of room for Bert and Sammy because we always have injuries; namely theirs.

That being said, I do like what Bert brings to the team. Of course I wish you were healthier but I'd take him anyway. Sammy,... that's a tough call. I am afraid that at his age, all this time off will be difficult to come back from.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:18 PM

There will be plenty of room for Bert and Sammy because we always have injuries; namely theirs.

That being said, I do like what Bert brings to the team. Of course I wish you were healthier but I'd take him anyway. Sammy,... that's a tough call. I am afraid that at his age, all this time off will be difficult to come back from.

With his back becoming a liability I don't see Bert being as physical as he was in the past. As for Sammy, the only tough call that anyone should have to make about him is what color the condolence flowers should be to mourn the end of his lackluster career.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:22 PM

Next season the Wings will find themselves in the East, were they will find themselves playing much tougher teams for 82 games

 

I must admit I don't watch many of the East games but I have seen internet people say that one conference is tougher than the other. Realistically though, what is the majority consensus on the tougher of the two conferences? I always thought other than Boston who plays like a West team, East is more skill-based type hockey with less thuggery/goonery/clutch and grab?



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:24 PM

How about a sign and trade to make sure assets arent lost and GMs save face?

Sign Cleary and Filppula

Boston signs Hotton

Trade Cleary, Filppula, Sammuelsson, Bertuzzi, Cola, and Franzen to Boston for Horton and Lucic.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:30 PM

 

I must admit I don't watch many of the East games but I have seen internet people say that one conference is tougher than the other. Realistically though, what is the majority consensus on the tougher of the two conferences? I always thought other than Boston who plays like a West team, East is more skill-based type hockey with less thuggery/goonery/clutch and grab?

Rhah: The East have a lot of teams that have very skilled top lines with very physical bottom 6 and defensive corps. The West has more of the power forward model, but, all in all the East is much tougher top to bottom.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 01:42 PM

How about a sign and trade to make sure assets arent lost and GMs save face?

Sign Cleary and Filppula

Boston signs Hotton

Trade Cleary, Filppula, Sammuelsson, Bertuzzi, Cola, and Franzen to Boston for Horton and Lucic.

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Trades don't work like that in the real world.

 

You don't see blockbuster trades involving roster players going both ways. If the Wings wanted to acquire Horton and Lucic it would cost us draft picks and prospects. You might see one roster player thrown in for salary reasons, but your proposed trade would get you hung up on.

 

I'm not sure why everyone is so hurried in getting players to the NHL, Sheahan will possibly be an injury call-up but has no chance of being an NHL regular, same goes for Mrazek.

 

Pulkinnen MIGHT get 1 or 2 games at the NHL level if we have a rash of injuries like we did this year but Frk has absolutely no chance whatsoever of playing at all with the Wings next year. We probably won't see him for another 2 or 3 years at the earliest.







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