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#21 RedWingCraig

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:21 PM

Andersson, Brunner, and Nyquist need to stay as 3rd line



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 04:54 PM

I think he is the perfect 4th liner. If I were Holland I would resign him before Flip.

Surprised about the lack of Miller love on here. He was excellent on the PK. I'd like to see him here one more year.



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 05:01 PM

Not sure about the love for Clarkson



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 05:15 PM

Andersson, Brunner, and Nyquist need to stay as 3rd line

 

Andersson will be a great 4th line center, but Helm would make that line FAR more dangerous offensively. They'd have enough speed that every team would have trouble containing them



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Posted 01 June 2013 - 05:54 PM

 
Andersson will be a great 4th line center, but Helm would make that line FAR more dangerous offensively. They'd have enough speed that every team would have trouble containing them


This exactly! I'm thinking nyquist may move up into the top six and Tatar will fill his spot on that 3rd line with helm and brunner. Which would still be so dangerous!

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Posted 01 June 2013 - 06:20 PM

Most of us like Miller. But some bodies have to leave, even ones who contribute. I'd like him to stay, personally, if there is room. The 'youth movement' is done. So many kids will be up full time next year there will be few call ups.

Interesting that Holland wants more supporting players. We have enough already. Gritty ones, fast ones, defensive ones, offensive ones. We need big guns, Holland!
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Posted 01 June 2013 - 07:55 PM

Keeping Brunner and Miller would be cool.



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Posted 02 June 2013 - 12:21 AM

i think andersson will center the 4th line if helm returns and helm 3rd line

 

something like

 

tatar helm brunner

 

cleary andersson eaves

 

dont know about miller returning if he does wed have to get rid of tootoo?? emmerton??? that being said if he did return i wouldnt mind he'd be a good cheap 12-13th depth forward

That 3rd line would be so fast.  That fourth line should be called the black hole line. In no way should Cleary ever play another game in a Red Wings uniform. 


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#29 Z and D for the C

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 12:40 AM

Why keep Flip again? Am I.missing something?


Ask the 30 GMs who would die for Filppula to play on their team for the right price. Great skater, great puck control, great battler, hustles his ass off every shift, great two-way play, great at faceoffs and big offensive potential.

We've all seen what Filppula can do and how much he can score. If we can see the 60-70 point Filppula again, isn't it worth giving him a short contract to try and prove himself again? I feel like that is reasonable. Someone tell me if I'm wrong.

Andersson, Brunner, and Nyquist need to stay as 3rd line


Helm should center the third line (hoping that he returns, I think he will) and Brunner should get a top 6 spot.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 01:47 AM

Ask the 30 GMs who would die for Filppula to play on their team for the right price.


And would that price be 5M? If so? K later.

The "right price" would be 4M max IMO. Cleary made what? 2.5M? He was our third best forward for frig sake..
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Posted 02 June 2013 - 02:08 AM

In no way should Cleary ever play another game in a Red Wings uniform. 

Did you watch the playoffs?

There's no doubt he's slowing down and his role needs to be reduced, but its hard to deny that he elevates his game in the postseason.
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Posted 02 June 2013 - 02:54 AM

For 5 mil a season Flip can take his all world skills to one of the other 29 teams who think he is the 2nd coming of Teemu Selanne. I'm quite happy with Nyquist for 1mil thanks.

Edited by Hatethedrake!, 02 June 2013 - 02:55 AM.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 08:18 AM

Didn't see this posted anywhere, so I will add some quotes.
 
"We would like to get more scoring, a little bigger, a little grittier"
 
"All 5 of the young guys that played this year will be in Detroit. Lashoff, tatar, Nyquist, Andersson, and Dekeyser" were the names he mentioned. But then he later back tracked a bit. Said "all the young guys will be pushing for time in training camp".
 
"we will be looking to add some guys via UFA, maybe not top line guys but secondary support type players."
 
"We have 5 UFA's, some we would like to keep, some we will part ways with. Cleary, Filppula, Miller, White, and Brunner are all UFA's".
 
 


We wants to get bigger, tougher... déjà vu. These are the same comments for the past 5 years...


Abdelkader - Dats - Clarkson/Horton
Tatar - Z - Franzen
Nyquist - Andersson - Brunner
Bickell - Helm/Talbot - Tootoo
Miller

Kronwall - DeKe
Ericsson - Smith
Kindl - McQuaid/Quincey
Lashoff
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Posted 02 June 2013 - 11:59 AM

We wants to get bigger, tougher... déjà vu. These are the same comments for the past 5 years...


Abdelkader - Dats - Clarkson/Horton
Tatar - Z - Franzen
Nyquist - Andersson - Brunner
Bickell - Helm/Talbot - Tootoo
Miller

Kronwall - DeKe
Ericsson - Smith
Kindl - McQuaid/Quincey
Lashoff


We would all be SHOCKED if Holland made one move.

Letting Cleary go
Letting Flip go
Signing Clarkson/Horton
Signing Bickell
Signing Talbot
Signing McQuaid


I dont think so.

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 12:16 PM

Adam McQuaid is not a free agent.



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Posted 02 June 2013 - 12:24 PM

Adam McQuaid is not a free agent.


Heard about "trades"?
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Posted 02 June 2013 - 12:31 PM

"I wish" trades you mean? Ones that only happen in the mind of the poster and have zero basis in reality? Ones that probably don't belong anywhere near the main board ... those "trades"?



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Posted 02 June 2013 - 12:37 PM

Without getting into what new players should be here.  I am going to go with who shouldn't be here:

 

Franzen - Trade

 

Filppula - Trade/Walk

 

Bertuzzi - Buyout

 

Samuelsson - Buyout

 

Quincey - Trade

 

Cleary - Let Go

 

White - Let Go

 

Miller - ONLY because Eaves is already signed for another year, and they are basically the same players.  But if Miller is willing to come back to be a 13th/14th guy, then that is ok.

 

 

Obviously re-sign Brunner, Nyquist, Smith, Andersson & Kindl.

 

Like I said, I don't know nor want to discuss WHO we get in return for Franzen, whether it be a player or pick.  I am all for getting a couple more picks this draft if we could get another 1st and 2nd for Filppula and Franzen. Trade Filppula to Anaheim for their 1st and Franzen & Quincey to Dallas for their 1st. That would work.

 

With those two trades along with some modest raises for the kids, we would have nearly $17M in cap space to fill in the roster. That includes have all of Brunner, Nyquist, Smith, Andersson and Tatar up.  Now that leaves 2-3 forward roster spots to complete the roster and if you cannot get TWO top 6 gunners for $15M to $17M then something is wrong.


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Posted 02 June 2013 - 01:20 PM

The Best case scenario goes like this:

1) Dump Bert and Sammy with Buyouts

2) Dump White, Cleary, Cola, Tootoo, Miller, and Eaves via UFA/trade package

3) Wings sign Horton.

4) Wings sign Flip

5) Helm is back

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#40 Z and D for the C

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Posted 02 June 2013 - 02:13 PM

The "right price" would be 4M max IMO.


I agree. Like I've said, give him a 2 year deal in the mid $3m range to see if he can score 60+ points again. If not, either let him walk or sign him for less than 3 mill. Worst case scenario he becomes one of the best players on a third line in the league for a year. Best case scenario he goes back to 70 point Filppula mode and is a huge asset and one of the best two way players in the league.

Seriously, someone tell me I'm wrong. And if so, why.

Edited by Z and D for the C, 02 June 2013 - 02:13 PM.

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