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#41 DeGraa55

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 01:46 AM

I gave up Franzen, Filpulla, 2014, 2015 and 2017 1sts in NHL 13.
I have a crazy first line of Datsyuk Abby and Malkin. Then downhill from there




I call bs. When I try to acquire stars it never works.


Literally any combo

Z DAT 3 first

Z DAT kronwall 2 first

Etc etc


For guys like weber ovie malkin and it don't work.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 03:47 AM

I call bs. When I try to acquire stars it never works.


Literally any combo

Z DAT 3 first

Z DAT kronwall 2 first

Etc etc


For guys like weber ovie malkin and it don't work.


Ive gotten stamkos and crosby, etc before. You need to have a good relationship with the team i guess

#43 martinezsvsu

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 11:09 AM

why are we talking about video games?



#44 The Axe

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 11:25 AM

why are we talking about video games?


Yes! And I'm laughing so hard. "I just took Shero Deep Sea fishing on my yacht, and he finally agreed to give me Malkin for Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, Cleary, Colo, White, Miller, and Eaves."

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 01:56 PM

all i keep hearing is,"dont trade away our future for this guy." What you guys dont understand is that he could be our future. Hes got 10 years left in him, and for the KHL flight worryers, its basically been proven that the best players in the world want to play here. The NHL is still the premier league. Period.

 

Youre telling me that we would never recover from parting with smith or nyquist and a couple of first round picks? Picks that could end up being busts anyway. Youre recieving a MVP player. The scorer weve been waiting for. How much better could that get? What player could we get via trade or free agency that would be better?

 

Not saying he wants to come here, or that theyll even trade him, but how could you not want this guy if available?f****** crazy asses, I need to buy some pot from some of you.


Crosby is a crybaby *****

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 02:24 PM

you think its just gonna cost us 2 1sts and nyquist for malkin???? more like nyquist smith mrazek and jarnkrok or jurco and then malkins cap number will be 9ish and future free agents will want more money because malkins is so high , detroits always been about taking less money and spreading it to other players so we can have a competitive team, after datsyuk the highest cap number is zetterberg's 6

 

we add malkin it can throw everything off ... no thanks we'll be better off in the long run



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Posted 08 June 2013 - 02:38 PM

I highly doubt Pittsburgh wants to be dealing with us now that we're moving to the Eastern Coference. And if they would even think about trading Malkin to us it would be because we're giving them some ridiculous offer they can't refuse, and we all know Kenny is not going to do that.



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Posted 08 June 2013 - 03:04 PM

all i keep hearing is,"dont trade away our future for this guy." What you guys dont understand is that he could be our future. Hes got 10 years left in him, and for the KHL flight worryers, its basically been proven that the best players in the world want to play here. The NHL is still the premier league. Period.
 
Youre telling me that we would never recover from parting with smith or nyquist and a couple of first round picks? Picks that could end up being busts anyway. Youre recieving a MVP player. The scorer weve been waiting for. How much better could that get? What player could we get via trade or free agency that would be better?
 
Not saying he wants to come here, or that theyll even trade him, but how could you not want this guy if available?f****** crazy asses, I need to buy some pot from some of you.




I agree people worry about PROSPECTS. Guys who have value but proven NOTHING. We are talking about PROSPECTS for an MVP type player.


This is a league where teams with stars win. The best teams this year have 2-4 superstars. Then a bunch of good and great role players.


Can you build a team through free agency? No. Can you through draft and trade? Yes.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 03:39 PM

I agree people worry about PROSPECTS. Guys who have value but proven NOTHING. We are talking about PROSPECTS for an MVP type player.


This is a league where teams with stars win. The best teams this year have 2-4 superstars. Then a bunch of good and great role players.


Can you build a team through free agency? No. Can you through draft and trade? Yes.

 

Proven nothing? I don't know if you missed the playoffs this year, but for those of us who watched it saw HUGE growth in our young guys from start to finish. Nyquist was fantastic. Brunner was fantastic. Smith and Kindl struggled at times, but also had moments where they showed growth. We all know Danny D is going to be a stud and I personally believe if we had him playing we would have beaten the Hawks. 

 

But to say that our prospects and young guys have showed nothing is simply ridiculous. Yes, Malkin has won an MVP and has put up a ton of points. But why on God's earth would you trade away guys who showed so much growth in just these playoffs? Nyquist is going to be a stud. In 2002, when Pavel Datsyuk showed signs of brilliance, should we have traded him to get a guy like Jagr? No, because we saw that he was coming into his own, much like our young guys now. Nyquist will not be Pavel Datsyuk, but there is no reason to say that we won't be something special for years to come. Have some faith, believe in the system because when everyone wrote the Wings off this year, they just kept coming because they believe in their system. 



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Posted 08 June 2013 - 04:19 PM

Proven nothing? I don't know if you missed the playoffs this year, but for those of us who watched it saw HUGE growth in our young guys from start to finish. Nyquist was fantastic. Brunner was fantastic. Smith and Kindl struggled at times, but also had moments where they showed growth. We all know Danny D is going to be a stud and I personally believe if we had him playing we would have beaten the Hawks. 
 
But to say that our prospects and young guys have showed nothing is simply ridiculous. Yes, Malkin has won an MVP and has put up a ton of points. But why on God's earth would you trade away guys who showed so much growth in just these playoffs? Nyquist is going to be a stud. In 2002, when Pavel Datsyuk showed signs of brilliance, should we have traded him to get a guy like Jagr? No, because we saw that he was coming into his own, much like our young guys now. Nyquist will not be Pavel Datsyuk, but there is no reason to say that we won't be something special for years to come. Have some faith, believe in the system because when everyone wrote the Wings off this year, they just kept coming because they believe in their system.



Yes Nyquist looked good. But 15 games isn't proven and IDC who you are. Doing something for multiple seasons means you're proven. Smith is unproven and on the biggest smith fan there is.


And I never said I didn't have faith. I believe Nyquist will be good. But he won't be elite. Malkin is elite.



With that said we won't get Malkin. Holland doesn't have the stones to make a trade like that.


Its common sense look at the tigers for example prospects for proven commodities? Every time. Elite teams do it. Bad teams don't.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 04:55 PM

Yes Nyquist looked good. But 15 games isn't proven and IDC who you are. Doing something for multiple seasons means you're proven. Smith is unproven and on the biggest smith fan there is.


And I never said I didn't have faith. I believe Nyquist will be good. But he won't be elite. Malkin is elite.



With that said we won't get Malkin. Holland doesn't have the stones to make a trade like that.


Its common sense look at the tigers for example prospects for proven commodities? Every time. Elite teams do it. Bad teams don't.

 

Well they haven't won a World Series yet since 1984.



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Posted 08 June 2013 - 05:06 PM

 

Proven nothing? I don't know if you missed the playoffs this year, but for those of us who watched it saw HUGE growth in our young guys from start to finish. Nyquist was fantastic. Brunner was fantastic. Smith and Kindl struggled at times, but also had moments where they showed growth. We all know Danny D is going to be a stud and I personally believe if we had him playing we would have beaten the Hawks. 

 

But to say that our prospects and young guys have showed nothing is simply ridiculous. Yes, Malkin has won an MVP and has put up a ton of points. But why on God's earth would you trade away guys who showed so much growth in just these playoffs? Nyquist is going to be a stud. In 2002, when Pavel Datsyuk showed signs of brilliance, should we have traded him to get a guy like Jagr? No, because we saw that he was coming into his own, much like our young guys now. Nyquist will not be Pavel Datsyuk, but there is no reason to say that we won't be something special for years to come. Have some faith, believe in the system because when everyone wrote the Wings off this year, they just kept coming because they believe in their system. 

 

For most players I would agree with you.  But this is Evgeni frikken Malkin.  How often do players of that calibre become (potentially) available?  Especialy in the cap world were star players get locked up on long contracts?  If we could get him for picks and prospects I say go for it, especially because of our deep pool of prospects.  Fact is, we've almost got too many - they can't all play.  I honestly expect KH to do something this off season, whether its trading up in the 1st round, or picking off a juicy RFA, just to de-clog the pipeline.

 

Dats is 34, Hank is 32, Malkin is 26.  If we do a trade + sign, we get 7-8 prime years of one of the top-3 players in the game.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 05:09 PM

For most players I would agree with you.  But this is Evgeni frikken Malkin.  How often do players of that calibre become (potentially) available?  Especialy in the cap world were star players get locked up on long contracts?  If we could get him for picks and prospects I say go for it, especially because of our deep pool of prospects.  Fact is, we've almost got too many - they can't all play.  I honestly expect KH to do something this off season, whether its trading up in the 1st round, or picking off a juicy RFA, just to de-clog the pipeline.
 
Dats is 34, Hank is 32, Malkin is 26.  If we do a trade + sign, we get 7-8 prime years of one of the top-3 players in the game.




O I agree I don't think he will be moved.


But the thread is what would you be willing to give up.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 06:49 PM

The second best player in the world just went pointless in the ECF.  Fans tend to overreact to playoff losses early on.  The Pens went to the conference finals and were beaten by a good team.  You can have all the right pieces and things just don't click for a few games and suddenly you're out. 



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Posted 08 June 2013 - 07:46 PM

I agree with most of you when I say that giving up prospects would be well worth Malkin, as long as it's not TOO many of our top guys....

 

I think the people who are against trading away future are not denying that the formula worked for us in the past (4 Cups in 11 years) and would probably work for us again.  I just think that they are tired of trading away picks and high prospects and for once would love to see "our" kids grow into the organization to form a similar core as they did with the 90's core.

 

Although it is noted that Malkin is still young and would be here for a long time and would become probably the central part of that core, as long as it didn't cost us TOO many of our tops prospects. I jokingly said earlier that I'd trade Franzen and Filppula and Q for him, but no way Shero would accept that.  If he would accept that plus a prospect, cool....but now that I am thinking about it.  Franzen (as much as I dislike him) and Filppula would be overpayment in my opinion, for the "potential" chemistry between Datsyuk and him.  Although Malkin is religiously at the top of the league in scoring every year. 

 

How about this:

 

   Franzen, Quincey, Tatar, 2013 1st for Malkin, 2013 1st...(which will be much lower that ours)


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 08:06 PM

Anyone else think Malkin struggles in this series? The missed one timer in a last ditch effort to score?

Edited by Rivalred, 08 June 2013 - 08:07 PM.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 08:20 PM

Anyone else think Malkin struggles in this series? The missed one timer in a last ditch effort to score?

 

The entire Pengwhines team struggled in this series, but they had a respectable playoffs... Malkin scored 16 points in 15 games, not too shabby.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 09:07 PM

As much as I like Malkin, and would love to see him on a line with Dats the only way i would like to see the Wings get him is as a FA. No sense giving up future for him. Besides we are going to the East and I doubt they would trade him to same conference.



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Posted 08 June 2013 - 09:17 PM

Look what kind of package Eric Lindros got...and that was based on his potential. Malkin's proven himself. The only way I would consider trading for him would be AFTER he was signed to an extension. I don't think anyone would trade for him otherwise. Anyhow I don't think he'll be traded anyway and the Pens would be stupid to do so



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Posted 08 June 2013 - 09:21 PM

People are still talking about this? I figured the first 15 times it was shot down and explained why it would be a horrible idea would end the thread. Guess not...





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