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#621 The Axe

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:26 PM

I meant that Brunner is not a suitable replacement for Kovalchuk.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 09:29 PM

I meant that Brunner is not a suitable replacement for Kovalchuk.


If there is one available I think we would love to have him

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:36 AM

He went from accepting 2,5 to want 4? That does not seem right. Anyway, any team that pays Brunner 3,5 after one season is truly desperate.

Buddy, Sammy is paid $3M... so $3.5 for Brunner isn't that bad.


The 3 years before he signed that deal he had 2 seasons with 50+ points and his full season pace the other year when he was hurt was 52. If it was another player his size with those exact stats and abilities people would have liked that signing.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:54 AM

Didn't Carolina express interest in him a little ago? If they still got it, I see him going to Carolina for sure. They need to clear cap space but apparently they had reached out to a FA, they kinda declined it due to term and money? And now they are saying that that free agent wants to come to Carolina now and had reached out to them but in order to sign them they need to clear cap space. Makes sense if its Brunner. They expressed interest early, he could've declined when asking for a long term high price tag then when he realized the market was small for himself reput himself out there for them. Of course Carolina would make a big deal over a signing like this also.

What makes it more likely is that everyone had thought it would be Jagr they were speaking on behalf of. Jagr's agent apparently confirmed that he isn't going to CAR.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:51 AM

Brunner still not signed. Would be cool if he got black balled and sat on his ass until the Wings picked him up for 1.25 mil per.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:16 AM

Brunner still not signed. Would be cool if he got black balled and sat on his ass until the Wings picked him up for 1.25 mil per.


I think he'd go back home before that happens.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:29 AM

"I made him an offer, Holland said of Brunner, and he didnt like it."

From this article: http://m.record-eagl...ntguid=J4aBcGCk

I wonder how much of this situation is a naive player putting all his trust in a shark of an agent...? Whatever.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:03 PM

"I made him an offer, Holland said of Brunner, and he didnt like it."

From this article: http://m.record-eagl...ntguid=J4aBcGCk

I wonder how much of this situation is a naive player putting all his trust in a shark of an agent...? Whatever.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:05 PM

The longer Brunner remains unsigned, the less people around here can blame Holland.  It seems like he's asking for a pretty decent chunk of money.  I'm pretty comfortable that Holland made the right move with his signings.

 

His past signings (i.e. Sammy) might not have worked out, but given that past years' mistakes can't be undone, Holland has executed flawlessly this offseason IMO.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:31 PM

I've seen a few mentions that he turned down 2 offers from the Wings.  I don't remember the value but I think they were 2 and 3 year terms.

 

 

Brunner, who spent his first year playing in North America last season, rejected two- and three-year contracts from the Red Wings. His brief stint in Detroit appears to be over.

 

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:45 PM

So all of you with your misplaced rage on Holland about not getting Brunner signed, where are you now???


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:51 PM

So all of you with your misplaced rage on Holland about not getting Brunner signed, where are you now???

 

I'm still here. I still don't like the Alfredsson signing and believe that having Brunner over him would be good for now and the future. 1 year is not my idea of a good use of 3.5 mil with 5.5 mil incentives.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:14 PM

 

I'm still here. I still don't like the Alfredsson signing and believe that having Brunner over him would be good for now and the future. 1 year is not my idea of a good use of 3.5 mil with 5.5 mil incentives.

 

I agree. I'm not blaming Holland for not getting Brunner signed. But the Alfredssonn 1 year deal is baffling. But it is what it is.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:36 PM

The longer Brunner remains unsigned, the less people around here can blame Holland.  It seems like he's asking for a pretty decent chunk of money.  I'm pretty comfortable that Holland made the right move with his signings.

 

His past signings (i.e. Sammy) might not have worked out, but given that past years' mistakes can't be undone, Holland has executed flawlessly this offseason IMO.

 

I agree with that.  (Well, time will tell on whether or not our offseason moves were flawless, but I like them now).

 

When millions upon millions were handed out on July 5th, and it became clear that Brunner was going to shop around, my assumption was that he had at least two other suitors he could bid off each other and would sign in a day or two.  Or at least that was my assumption because he seemed to be happy with the Red Wings and a two-year deal of some decent amount still allows him to increase his value for a 2015 contract, or return to Switzerland.

 

Now, you have to wonder if he ever had a better offer anywhere, or if he and his agent are being totally irrational about this.  The player in the second half of last season would have struggled to reach 15 goals over an 82-game season.  He also doesn't have an 82-game season on his resume.  I don't think 2.5 million or 3 million per year is unreasonable for him to ask for, but I also understand why teams aren't lining up to sign a guy who could be the next Ville Leino.  He has no track record.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:39 PM



 

I'm still here. I still don't like the Alfredsson signing and believe that having Brunner over him would be good for now and the future. 1 year is not my idea of a good use of 3.5 mil with 5.5 mil incentives.

 

What you are missing is that before noon on the first day of free agency, Brunner told the Wing's management he was testing the waters and turned down their offers.

 

That means before the free agency period even began, he told Holland he was going to entertain other offers.

 

So in your opinion, should Holland have waited to see what Brunner was going to do while other players signed with other teams?

 

So now instead of being pissed at him for not signing Brunner you are changing your tune to, well he shouldn't have offered Alfredsson the one 1 deal?

 

 A guy who would have been tied with Brunner last season in points, a mere two goals behind him.

 

Unless Holland came out and absolutely WOWED Brunner's agent with a 5 year 4 mil offer Brunner was going to test the market.

 

There are reports out there that he is looking for 4 mil a year.

 

For a guy with a half of a season in the NHL who didn't even get a sniff of the NHL until he was 27!


Edited by Opie, 12 July 2013 - 03:42 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:41 PM

So all of you with your misplaced rage on Holland about not getting Brunner signed, where are you now???

I'm not so sure its misplaced. Holland has yet to make a trade we need the last few years let alone recently with the glut of forwards on the roster. I'd rather have Brunner under contract at a slightly higher price tag right now than Samuelsson/Tootoo riding the bench sucking a larger combined salary. I don't think Alfie is a misuse of funds if he contributes. Don't judge Holland by his attempt at getting things done, judge him on how functional our roster is. Right now we need to lose some people, the ball is still in his court to get something done.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:46 PM

You are not sure it is misplaced?

 

People were calling for Holland's head because he was not getting Brunner signed.

 

When in fact Brunner turned down 2 Wings' offers before noon the day free agency began.

 

BTW: the free agency period didn't start until noon!


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 03:50 PM


 
I'm still here. I still don't like the Alfredsson signing and believe that having Brunner over him would be good for now and the future. 1 year is not my idea of a good use of 3.5 mil with 5.5 mil incentives.


 
I agree. I'm not blaming Holland for not getting Brunner signed. But the Alfredssonn 1 year deal is baffling. But it is what it is.


Given Brunner didn't want to sign what would you have done?

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:14 PM

I'm not mad at the Alfredsson signing, I mean it is a 1-year deal, and I think we know what we're getting from him: an old but legendary player desperate for a cup, probably good for 45-50 points. With that said if Brunner wasn't waiting so long, he'd probably be signed instead of Alfredsson.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:25 PM

I'd rather have Brunner under contract at a slightly higher price tag right now than Samuelsson/Tootoo riding the bench sucking a larger combined salary.

 

According to various sources, he's been trying to move both of them.

 

That said, there's simply not much room for Brunner on this team. With Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Weiss, Alfredsson, Tatar, Nyquist, and Bertuzzi/whoever, the Wings already have three scoring lines. Then they've got Helm, Andersson, Miller, and Eaves to round out the checking line. Much as I would like to have Brunner on this team, there's just no space; and more importantly, there's no reason to give him the top-six role that he's demanding as a condition of being signed. He performed better in a third-line capacity, and he's not satisfied with that. His demand for top-six time despite his relative inexperience, insufficient degree of consistency and defensive shortcomings is perhaps part of what's turning teams off on him.







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