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#641 The Axe

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:30 PM

Brunner can go away. He's a cancer at this point.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:50 PM

I don't believe his camp is asking for 4 m per over 4 years, he just hasn't proven enough for that kind of money, period. At some point his agent has to look at the reality and that's at the very best 3,5 per for 2 years also called a "prove it" contract.

 

Whatever happens, I wish him well.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:53 PM

I don't believe his camp is asking for 4 m per over 4 years, he just hasn't proven enough for that kind of money, period. At some point his agent has to look at the reality and that's at the very best 3,5 per for 2 years also called a "prove it" contract.
 
Whatever happens, I wish him well.


I think 3 mil for 1 year is the best he'll get. He hasnt done anything spectacular.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:15 PM

I like Brunner but we're better off signing Gagne/Prospal/Hejduk for half the price. That is if management still wants an offensive winger. Sign two of them for 2mil a piece and let Cleary walk. Put Vinnie on the 2nd line and Gagne/Hejduk on the third and we have instant scoring depth. Low risk/high reward and gives more fodder for our favorite your team is too old game.

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Franzen - Weiss - Prospal
Gagne - Anderson - Nyquist (Hull - Devereaux - Pav 2.0)
Abby - Helm - Miller/Bert
Emmerton/Tootoo

Use Tatar for any injuries to our top 9. That'll get him a good chunk of games. Or are we out of options with him?

I forgot about Bert. He does have some value as a designated shootout specialist and goalie screener.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

 
I'm still here. I still don't like the Alfredsson signing and believe that having Brunner over him would be good for now and the future. 1 year is not my idea of a good use of 3.5 mil with 5.5 mil incentives.


3.5 mil with 2 mil in incentives

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:49 PM

I like Brunner but we're better off signing Gagne/Prospal/Hejduk for half the price. That is if management still wants an offensive winger. Sign two of them for 2mil a piece and let Cleary walk. Put Vinnie on the 2nd line and Gagne/Hejduk on the third and we have instant scoring depth. Low risk/high reward and gives more fodder for our favorite your team is too old game.
Z - Pav - Alfie
Franzen - Weiss - Prospal
Gagne - Anderson - Nyquist (Hull - Devereaux - Pav 2.0)
Abby - Helm - Miller/Bert
Emmerton/Tootoo
Use Tatar for any injuries to our top 9. That'll get him a good chunk of games. Or are we out of options with him?
I forgot about Bert. He does have some value as a designated shootout specialist and goalie screener.


Tatar cannot be sent down. Nyquist can but if he is it won't be for more than a couple weeks while things get sorted out.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:56 PM

Tatar cannot be sent down. Nyquist can but if he is it won't be for more than a couple weeks while things get sorted out.

I see. Then forget Gagne and slot in Tatar. Both Tatar and Nyquist are 100 percent NHL ready, I only wanted an excuse to have Gagne cause I've always liked him. Oh well, I still think Prospal would be a great fit.


Edited by Number19, 12 July 2013 - 08:00 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:16 PM

They don't need another player now. Dump 2 of Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, Eaves or Emmerton if Helm is good to go, dump one if not and they're set with 3 good scoring lines and a check line

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:22 PM

They don't need another player now. Dump 2 of Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, Eaves or Emmerton if Helm is good to go, dump one if not and they're set with 3 good scoring lines and a check line

You're right but proven scoring depth doesn't hurt for one of the lowest scoring teams in the NHL. Replacing Brunner's production with a 41 year old Alfie isn't a slam dunk. I think a 2nd veteran top 6er will help shoulder the load. There's plenty of vet wingers out there that'll come on 2mil 1 year deals.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:31 PM

You're right but proven scoring depth doesn't hurt for one of the lowest scoring teams in the NHL. Replacing Brunner's production with a 41 year old Alfie isn't a slam dunk. I think a 2nd veteran top 6er will help shoulder the load. There's plenty of vet wingers out there that'll come on 2mil 1 year deals.

 

I'd consider Tatar as Brunner's replacement since he'll be playing on the third line most likely. Either way, I think Tatar and Alfie are more complete players than Brunner is right now anyway.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:07 PM

If they roll 3 scoring lines and a check line the 9 guys will be Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Franzen, Weiss, Alfredsson, Tatar, Nyquist, and 2 of Helm, Abdelkader, Samuelsson, Bertuzzi, and Anderson. That's pretty good.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:12 PM

Trade Sammy and Quiency, and a 2nd round pick to the Islanders for a 7th round pick. Sign Brunner for 4 years at 2.5 per. DONE.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:57 PM

Trade Sammy and Quiency, and a 2nd round pick to the Islanders for a 7th round pick. Sign Brunner for 4 years at 2.5 per. DONE.

HAHAHAHA you think 2.5 gets it done.

 

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:04 PM

Give Tatar top line minutes!!

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:22 AM

Trade Sammy and Quiency, and a 2nd round pick to the Islanders for a 7th round pick.

 

I suppose the reality is that the Wings are going to have to do a deal like this just in order to dump Sammy off on someone else.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:23 AM

Trade Sammy and Quiency, and a 2nd round pick to the Islanders for a 7th round pick. Sign Brunner for 4 years at 2.5 per. DONE.

 

Brunner wants $3-3.5m (depending on the source) and a top-six role, neither of which he is going to get from the Wings.

 

Also, given that Quincey is signed for only one more season, carries an affordable cap hit, and is a serviceable defenseman, and given that, having bought out Colaiacovo, there is currently nobody available to replace him, unloading him would be stupid.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:32 AM

 

Brunner wants $3-3.5m (depending on the source) and a top-six role, neither of which he is going to get from the Wings.

 

Also, given that Quincey is signed for only one more season, carries an affordable cap hit, and is a serviceable defenseman, and given that, having bought out Colaiacovo, there is currently nobody available to replace him, unloading him would be stupid.

 

Agreed, Quincey is going nowhere.  If the Wings were to unload a d-man, the most likely candidate would be Lashoff who's out of waiver exemptions & will be a #7 at best with the current line-up once Smith re-signs. 


Edited by ogreslayer, 13 July 2013 - 12:57 AM.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:04 AM

What you are missing is that before noon on the first day of free agency, Brunner told the Wing's management he was testing the waters and turned down their offers.

 

That means before the free agency period even began, he told Holland he was going to entertain other offers.

 

So in your opinion, should Holland have waited to see what Brunner was going to do while other players signed with other teams?

 

So now instead of being pissed at him for not signing Brunner you are changing your tune to, well he shouldn't have offered Alfredsson the one 1 deal?

 

 A guy who would have been tied with Brunner last season in points, a mere two goals behind him.

 

Unless Holland came out and absolutely WOWED Brunner's agent with a 5 year 4 mil offer Brunner was going to test the market.

 

There are reports out there that he is looking for 4 mil a year.

 

For a guy with a half of a season in the NHL who didn't even get a sniff of the NHL until he was 27!

 

Okay no, I was mad at the Alfredsson signing from the beginning. I don't think he should have wasted the Wings cap space on a 40 year old for 1 year. He could have signed someone else for more years at that price. If Brunner told them he didn't want to sign then Holland should have looked at what we NEEDED and not a veteran that we don't need. Brunner could have been offered 3.5 million for 4 years. Holland didn't offer him that though, reports had him offering lower amount for same years.

 

3.5 mil with 2 mil in incentives

Yes you are right. I meant that but wrote it wrong, 5.5 mil TOTAL if he does well.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:05 AM

Trade Sammy and Quiency, and a 2nd round pick to the Islanders for a 7th round pick. Sign Brunner for 4 years at 2.5 per. DONE.

 

Sammy has an NTC.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:01 AM

I like Brunner, and honestly I am surprised that he hasn't come to the realization that we made him a fair offer and signed on. I don't see a team making him a better offer than we have at this point. He always seemed like he loved being in Detroit. Apparently he still believes that someone is going to come along and wow him with an offer, but I just don't see it happening. If this all hinges on his top 6 status, then I don't want the guy anyway.. I want a guy that is not scared to earn his spot.

 

All that said, if he is not resigned, I have no concerns at all that Tatar is a perfectly fine replacement. I actually really like what I saw from him in spots last year and was surprised when they sent him back down. I think that a 3rd line of Tatar/Helm/Nyquist would be one of the most exciting lines to watch. The combination and speed and skill on that line would be a potential nightmare.. Having a 3rd line that can create mismatches is the difference between championship teams and the rest.

 

I am concerned about how they will handle the Sammy and Bert situation. I don't mind having Bert around as the guy that can help cover injuries, or be the muscle when we need it (Same with TooToo, who I think will have a role at times) , but Sammy is just a waste of space on the roster and money. I don't see him as a fit with any line at all. I will be very interested to see how that works out.







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