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#861 DickieDunn

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 04:08 AM

Brunner isn't signing here. Happy? :P Q is overpaid but other guys are worse. The Canucks got Ballard and he was promptly a $4.2 mil or so healthy scratch for 2 seasons. Others are almost as bad.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


#862 BottleOfSmoke

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:04 PM

@RedWingsFeed: TMR: Talking Brunner And Cleary: Anshar Khan of Mlive answered some questions... http://t.co/gPSacypypP via @KuklasKorner #NHL #RedWings

Edit: also,

@dchesnokov: Hiller, Josi, Sbisa, Streit, Weber, Brunner among the 48 called up to the camp of the Swiss Olympic Team. http://t.co/QjhflKg81r #Sochi2014

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:19 PM

I wanted Brunner back as much as the next guy, but at this point it really is time for us Wings fans to move on. First of all he's asking for too much money and looks as though he's sticking to his guns. And on top of that our complete logjam at forward makes it nearly impossible to sign anyone, let alone someone asking for a million more than they're worth. And with so many young talented forwards in our system, it becomes a no brainer to let Damien walk. We should all just focus on the positive that we no longer have to deal with worthless Dan Cleary taking up a top-6 roster spot :bye1:


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:30 PM

Khan's take on the Brunner situation:
 

A. It's highly doubtful that Brunner will return. He was seeking a multiyear deal worth around $3.5 million a season. The Red Wings offered two years at $2.5 million per season. They were hesitant to offer more to a player with no track record in the NHL (just 44 games).

I doubt that Brunner would significantly lower his asking price to return to Detroit. Plus, he's looking for a top-six role to maximize his offensive ability, and the Red Wings are set with their top six.

 
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Posted 25 July 2013 - 01:36 PM

The thing that makes Brunner so expendable is that he's so one dimensional. He's small and isn't strong defensively. They already have Tatar and Nyquist like that, although both should improve their back checking with experience. If Cleary is brought back, and right now it's looking pretty unlikely unless they get a ton of injuries, it will be as a bottom 6 role and will be more for his off ice influence than anything else. If I was Nill I'd offer a short term contract for good money so he could mentor Seguin. Cleary was there before, the high draft pick who would rather party than work. He could be a good influence.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 04:51 PM

I like Brunner, but Tatar will be a fine replacement and make everyone forget about LeBrun.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:22 PM

I like Brunner, but Tatar will be a fine replacement and make everyone forget about LeBrun.

 

Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp.  A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario.  Really don't want that to happen.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:27 PM

 
Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp.  A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario.  Really don't want that to happen.


Tatar and Nyquist aren't going anywhere unless we get some damn good players back in return.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:28 PM

 
Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp.  A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario.  Really don't want that to happen.


It would most likely be Tatar. For whatever reason he seemed to fall out of favor with babs and Holland last season

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:57 PM

 

Tatar brings a lot more grit & determination but I just keep having a sinking feeling that either he or Nyquist end up getting packaged up in a trade to get back to the roster limit by the end of camp.  A 'we had to include one (Tatar/Nyquist) in order to move the other (Eaves or Tootoo maybe)' type of scenario.  Really don't want that to happen.

 

I hope not either. Hopefully Kenny can do something else that doesn't involve losing either kid.


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:00 PM

It would most likely be Tatar. For whatever reason he seemed to fall out of favor with babs and Holland last season

 

I honestly think they decided last year was a transition year and to try them out which is exactly what they did.  Unexpectedly made the playoffs and put up a decent run but left Tatar down because he was there when the Griffins went on their run.  Not to mention he was the MVP and potted 16 goals.


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#872 The Axe

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:45 PM

It would most likely be Tatar. For whatever reason he seemed to fall out of favor with babs and Holland last season


It was his attitude, I bet. When he got to the Wings and scored his first goal, he acted like Yakupov. Im sure they would have preferred that he acted like Datsyuk instead. The Barry Sanders way of scoring always sits well with everyone.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:52 PM

It was his attitude, I bet. When he got to the Wings and scored his first goal, he acted like Yakupov. Im sure they would have preferred that he acted like Datsyuk instead. The Barry Sanders way of scoring always sits well with everyone.

 

Oh c'mon Axe, lol



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:00 PM

While I don't agree with Axe's example (or Axe in general, sorry bud :lol: ) I am going to state an unpopular opinion:

I don't like Tatar. Don't know why. Can't put my finger on it. He seems kind of...douchey. And I have nothing to back that up. But given the choice between Goose and Tatar, I'll choose Goose every time. So while a lot of you here see Tatar as a serviceable replacement for Brunner--even an upgrade--I just can't bring myself to agree even though logically I know you may be right. Just a feeling I can't shake, but I'd rather have Brunner. *shrug*

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:37 PM

Don't forget Tatar is younger too. He turned pro at 18. I think both will eventually be better than Brunner, in different ways. Tatar has a little more sandpaper in him. Nyquist is smoother. Tatar reminds me of Hudler, only bigger and a better skater. Nyquist is more like Zetterberg lite. Just please remember that they will be rookies and don't wrote them off when they make rookie mistakes and score 10-15 goals and 30-35 points.

Oh this young man has had a very trying rookie season, with the litigation, the notoriety, his subsequent deportation to Canada and that country's refusal to accept him, well, I guess that's more than most 21-year-olds can handle... Ogie Ogilthorpe!


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:40 PM

I like Brunner and wanted him over Alfie.


But like some are saying a third with Nyquist and Tatar is better than Nyquist and Brunner. And Tatar and Nyquist should amount to being better players.


But I still want Brunner back. We lack a pure goal scorer like him.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:50 PM

While I don't agree with Axe's example (or Axe in general, sorry bud :lol: ) I am going to state an unpopular opinion:

I don't like Tatar. Don't know why. Can't put my finger on it. He seems kind of...douchey. And I have nothing to back that up. But given the choice between Goose and Tatar, I'll choose Goose every time. So while a lot of you here see Tatar as a serviceable replacement for Brunner--even an upgrade--I just can't bring myself to agree even though logically I know you may be right. Just a feeling I can't shake, but I'd rather have Brunner. *shrug*


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Posted 25 July 2013 - 09:14 PM

While I don't agree with Axe's example (or Axe in general, sorry bud :lol: ) I am going to state an unpopular opinion:

I don't like Tatar. Don't know why. Can't put my finger on it. He seems kind of...douchey. And I have nothing to back that up. But given the choice between Goose and Tatar, I'll choose Goose every time. So while a lot of you here see Tatar as a serviceable replacement for Brunner--even an upgrade--I just can't bring myself to agree even though logically I know you may be right. Just a feeling I can't shake, but I'd rather have Brunner. *shrug*

 

I can totally see where you're coming from on that.  He does come across as a little too full of himself at times & I can see how that could get under one's skin.  Maybe the Wings need more of that feisty little pest who will get under the other team's skin though.  That's certainly a dimension he brings to the table over someone like Brunner & at about a quarter of the cost it would reportedly take to bring Brunner back.



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Posted 26 July 2013 - 02:51 AM

I don't care if Tatar is a ****** or arrogant or full of himself.  The only thing that matters - the ONLY thing - is that he performs on the ice.

 

Everything else is secondary.


"If I can be totally honest, it's not a lot of guys you get impressed by. Actually, it's no one else but him. From the bench, to see what move he makes -- you're like, 'I wish I could do that.' Sometimes you sit on the bench and just think, 'wow,' and you look over to the other bench and they sit there and shake their heads, too. He has great, great skills. I'm probably not going to play with another player who has the kind of skills he has." Mikael Samuelsson on Pavel Datsyuk

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 06:59 AM

Tatar and Nyquist aren't going anywhere unless we get some damn good players back in return.

This.

I could see Kenny pulling off a huge trade within the next few years though when the next wave of prospects are ready (jurco frk oullette sproul etc...) There are so many promising names, love it!

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